Topic: Obama's Approval Rating Slips to 53% | |
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when you reject advice of military professionals and ask for input from political hacks while leaving troops in harms way-that is dithering and being an ineffective leader-I have a son there-either give them what they need to do the job or get them out-dont let them die cause you dont have the balls to decide
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there are a lot of us that think stinky boy (B.O.) sux
I got son in afagnistan give him what he needs or bring him home |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 11/26/09 12:17 PM
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when you reject advice of military professionals and ask for input from political hacks while leaving troops in harms way-that is dithering and being an ineffective leader-I have a son there-either give them what they need to do the job or get them out-dont let them die cause you dont have the balls to decide Who says he rejected anyones advice? I think the point of advice is to get differing perspectives...allowing more than one to chime in before a decision is made, is not rejection, it is careful thought,IMHO. WE went in supposedly thinking of more than just our boys lives(the rights and lives of the citizens there, as I recall, were what we were trying to improve). I dont know why we should stop caring now. Careful thought is better than a rushed judgment anyday, from my perspective. I would much rather have someone leading the country who doesnt see the glory in young men dying for dying sake,than one who sees it as some noble embracable cause. My son and others peoples children having the benefit of continuing their life is more important than any politicians war for profit or power. |
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when you reject advice of military professionals and ask for input from political hacks while leaving troops in harms way-that is dithering and being an ineffective leader-I have a son there-either give them what they need to do the job or get them out-dont let them die cause you dont have the balls to decide Who says he rejected anyones advice? I think the point of advice is to get differing perspectives...allowing more than one to chime in before a decision is made, is not rejection, it is careful thought,IMHO. WE went in supposedly thinking of more than just our boys lives(the rights and lives of the citizens there, as I recall, were what we were trying to improve). I dont know why we should stop caring now. Careful thought is better than a rushed judgment anyday, from my perspective. I would much rather have someone leading the country who doesnt see the glory in young men dying for dying sake,than one who sees it as some noble embracable cause. My son and others peoples children having the benefit of continuing their life is more important than any politicians war for profit or power. his heart was never in this war...but...he ran around running his mouth about the " right "...war...and now it's time to put up or shut up...it's been his "MO" from day one...all talk and no action... |
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better to think before you act , sometimes put up or shut up is the choice given by bullies.....
If he rushed to judgment and anything went wrong , his critics would make him own the fallout(like they have with our economy or employment rates). If his critics are going to damn him either way he goes, I am glad he is taking time to attempt to get it 'right'. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Thu 11/26/09 05:36 PM
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when you reject advice of military professionals and ask for input from political hacks while leaving troops in harms way-that is dithering and being an ineffective leader-I have a son there-either give them what they need to do the job or get them out-dont let them die cause you dont have the balls to decide Who says he rejected anyones advice? I think the point of advice is to get differing perspectives...allowing more than one to chime in before a decision is made, is not rejection, it is careful thought,IMHO. WE went in supposedly thinking of more than just our boys lives(the rights and lives of the citizens there, as I recall, were what we were trying to improve). I dont know why we should stop caring now. Careful thought is better than a rushed judgment anyday, from my perspective. I would much rather have someone leading the country who doesnt see the glory in young men dying for dying sake,than one who sees it as some noble embracable cause. My son and others peoples children having the benefit of continuing their life is more important than any politicians war for profit or power. his heart was never in this war...but...he ran around running his mouth about the " right "...war...and now it's time to put up or shut up...it's been his "MO" from day one...all talk and no action... Bush/Hussein, cut from the same cloth. You think he gives a shiite about your kids?! He will defend the rights, with gusto, the Illegals invading our country. He won't take the advice of expert, professional, experienced, Generals. Hussein has not one gota chiquita of military experience and thinks he can come up with a better plan. That is laughable!! Whatever Hussein comes up with, I'd advise folks to; Get it in writing. Make him come up with 2 forms of real ID. ![]() ![]() Have it notarized. Experience has proven, we can't trust one word that he spews. ![]() His logic is; ![]() |
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If his own kids are any indication, yes, Id say it is likely he cares a great deal about kids, even mine.
As far as the rest,,Im not a mind reader. I cant possibly profess to know what he is thinking, I can only judge by character and works and I believe he has been extremely ACTIVE and busy and done quite a bit considering his opposition and I believe he will continue to make well advised and well thought out decisions as opposed to impulsive ones. This is the leadership style I voted for and still glad I did. |
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If his own kids are any indication, yes, Id say it is likely he cares a great deal about kids, even mine. As far as the rest,,Im not a mind reader. I cant possibly profess to know what he is thinking, I can only judge by character and works and I believe he has been extremely ACTIVE and busy and done quite a bit considering his opposition and I believe he will continue to make well advised and well thought out decisions as opposed to impulsive ones. This is the leadership style I voted for and still glad I did. Mind if I ask what HE has done?? So far...I see the Democrats in the House doing a whole lot of stuff....but Obama himself hasn't really done much of anything that I can see other than spending 780 billion dollars. |
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Well, I dont know what I can see of Obama from my living room, but legislation under his lead has been plenty,, banks have been saved, foreclosures decreased, economy pulled out of recession, credit card companies have been required to have more accountability,,,,
in the midst of ALL that he is expected to fix in this country, and all the opposition he has had to face to get it done,,I think he has still managed to accomplish plenty that affects the average american in a very positive way. |
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If his own kids are any indication, yes, Id say it is likely he cares a great deal about kids, even mine. As far as the rest,,Im not a mind reader. I cant possibly profess to know what he is thinking, I can only judge by character and works and I believe he has been extremely ACTIVE and busy and done quite a bit considering his opposition and I believe he will continue to make well advised and well thought out decisions as opposed to impulsive ones. This is the leadership style I voted for and still glad I did. Mind if I ask what HE has done?? So far...I see the Democrats in the House doing a whole lot of stuff....but Obama himself hasn't really done much of anything that I can see other than spending 780 billion dollars. I've seen him kiss commie a$$, China. He's kissed Saudi a$$, Muslim. He's kissed Mexican a$$, Illegals and feel sorry for the terrorists, (the one captured by the 4 seal heroes) He's thrown a lot of parties and taken a lot of vacations. He's also given away our Bill of Rights and turned over a lot of banking decision making to Europe. |
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Some people on here should get over their hate. It's masking their view of reality.
Obama is the hardest working President we've had in decades. |
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Some people on here should get over their hate. It's masking their view of reality. Obama is the hardest working President we've had in decades. I'm going to have to disagree. I think the job of the president is to lead an work for the people. A lot of his "hard work" has been flying all over the country trying to campaign for healthcare or back in the day, the stimulus. He hasn't passed all that many executive orders that are being followed through (I commend him for Gitmo but it was simply a political move and I knew that wouldn't happen) or having major impact. He needs to lead, not campaign. I also don't like that 3/4 of his trips have been to blue states and largely, those that were closer in the election. If it is for America, he needs to reach out to everyone, not just states where he is more likely to get a warm reception. If it's really what we need he shouldn't have to convince us. He needs to just step up and do it. Think of the argument in Plato's Republic how we always don't know what is good or bad for us, even though the perception says otherwise. If the decision really will be best for us, he will be looked at as a great leader, willing to make the tough decision and be held accountable for the result. Even if he got booted because of it and it worked afterward, he will be looked back on in admiration and there will be regret at removing him from office. I want him to succede, however, I do not see anything in his policies that are going to well in the long term. It's all about the here and now and ignoring the long-term growth. The Presidency has become so political and about "the legacy" it has lost direction as to what is best for the people. Even if what you do has you labeled a Carter-esque failure (only without the real failure) but you laid the groundwork for true economic and social growth, you have done your job correctly. That should be all that matters, but it has not been that way for over a century. |
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As for the military issue, he is a commander in Chief with zero military experience. Our last president had the same credentials. However, our last president didn't hesitate to trust those in the battle as to what was needed, almost too much but either way.
The generals have stated we need more or we can't do this. Putting lives at risk over indecision for a month is unacceptable. I can understand milling over it, but there are about 5 men you need to listen to and every one of them has a few stars. No politicians, no lobbyists against the war or for the defense companies. As was stated before: if this was the "right" war (though i think that has passed), then you need to give them what they need to prevail or start bringing them home. |
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Some people on here should get over their hate. It's masking their view of reality. Obama is the hardest working President we've had in decades. I'm going to have to disagree. I think the job of the president is to lead an work for the people. A lot of his "hard work" has been flying all over the country trying to campaign for health-care or back in the day, the stimulus. He hasn't passed all that many executive orders that are being followed through (I commend him for Gitmo but it was simply a political move and I knew that wouldn't happen) or having major impact. He needs to lead, not campaign. I also don't like that 3/4 of his trips have been to blue states and largely, those that were closer in the election. If it is for America, he needs to reach out to everyone, not just states where he is more likely to get a warm reception. If it's really what we need he shouldn't have to convince us. He needs to just step up and do it. Think of the argument in Plato's Republic how we always don't know what is good or bad for us, even though the perception says otherwise. If the decision really will be best for us, he will be looked at as a great leader, willing to make the tough decision and be held accountable for the result. Even if he got booted because of it and it worked afterward, he will be looked back on in admiration and there will be regret at removing him from office. I want him to succeed, however, I do not see anything in his policies that are going to well in the long term. It's all about the here and now and ignoring the long-term growth. The Presidency has become so political and about "the legacy" it has lost direction as to what is best for the people. Even if what you do has you labeled a Carter-esque failure (only without the real failure) but you laid the groundwork for true economic and social growth, you have done your job correctly. That should be all that matters, but it has not been that way for over a century. Reality: Health-care is a wish of the people. It was a promise during the election. One in which he was chosen for. He's not trying to convince anyone. He's just countering the false messages(lies) that the Republicans and their employers (insurance companies)are spreading. Obama 's Presidency, so far, has been one of strength, hard work ethics, and living up to his promises. If you don't think he is working on Gitmo you're wrong. Last Month alone more than 38 cases were reviewed by a Fed Court. Of those, 35 were deemed to be without cause and released, 3 were held for prosecution. It will take sometime for all cases to be worked out and Gitmo closed, but Obama has not quit. Bush just made one hell of a mess to clean up. |
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As for the military issue, he is a commander in Chief with zero military experience. Our last president had the same credentials. However, our last president didn't hesitate to trust those in the battle as to what was needed, almost too much but either way. The generals have stated we need more or we can't do this. Putting lives at risk over indecision for a month is unacceptable. I can understand milling over it, but there are about 5 men you need to listen to and every one of them has a few stars. No politicians, no lobbyists against the war or for the defense companies. As was stated before: if this was the "right" war (though i think that has passed), then you need to give them what they need to prevail or start bringing them home. Bush didn't listen or take advice from Military Experts. If he had we never would have invaded Iraq. The Experts told him it was unnecessary and would be costliest, both in American life and economically. No sir, Bush didn't listen. He just fired them and put in a group of yes-men who would listen to him. Also he rushed to decisions based on false or manufactured evidence and led us into 8 years of his own, (I'm the Decider), personal war mess. While ignoring the war that mattered. Obama has done exactly right. He listened to his commanders as well as the political leaders on scene. He reviewed every angle and reached a decision based on all knowledge and reality. He reached a responsible decision which is what a President should do. Especially when it concerns those whose life is his responsibility. As a Veteran I am comfortable and proud of the way he reacted. |
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Funny. Last time I checked....over HALF of the " people " want nothing to do with the Government running the Health Care System.
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You're right, Fanta. When Obama was running for President, one of his issues was the healthcare plan.
Then the misinformation hit the walls...... |
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You're right, Fanta. When Obama was running for President, one of his issues was the healthcare plan. Then the misinformation hit the walls...... ![]() |
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Funny. Last time I checked....over HALF of the " people " want nothing to do with the Government running the Health Care System. Poppycock! You just believe what you want. Like the paid for results by insurance company poll that has been spread wide and far by the Anti-American Republican Party on their Internet overrun blog-sites. Believe it or not. Most Americans don't even have access to the Internet. Many only have cell-phones. Neither of these groups, (the silent majority) are even heard from. |
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Edited by
JustAGuy2112
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Sun 11/29/09 03:16 PM
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Funny. Last time I checked....over HALF of the " people " want nothing to do with the Government running the Health Care System. Poppycock! You just believe what you want. Like the paid for results by insurance company poll that has been spread wide and far by the Anti-American Republican Party on their Internet overrun blog-sites. Believe it or not. Most Americans don't even have access to the Internet. Many only have cell-phones. Neither of these groups, (the silent majority) are even heard from. Heh. Now THAT is funny. hearing someone who refuses to accept that well over half the country doesn't want what's being shoved down their throats telling ME that I just " believe what ( I ) want ". That's rich. LMAO Hey...here's a question....if all those people " are even heard from "....then how the hell do YOU know what they want? At least I am going by the numbers of people who were actually counted. Who are you to deem what the " silent majority " wants if they are silent?? Oh wait. never mind. I remember now. It's the " We know what's best for you and we KNOW that everyone wants it even when they say they don't " thing that politicians are so fond of. Oh..and one more quick addition. Have you noticed how many Democrats in the Senate are saying they aren't going to vote for the Health Care bill if there is a public option??? Or if Government " competes " with insurers??? Lemme guess....they don't count either, right? |
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