Topic: Maine gives gay marriage the boot.
EquusDancer's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:29 PM

I hope all of you that support Gay marriage are going to support polygamy as well. Who are we to say that a man can't marry 10 women if they love each other.


Knowing some friends where its one woman with her group of guys, I don't see any problem with it. They are all legal consenting adults.

The only issue I have with polygamy is when it's not consenting, or underage

EquusDancer's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:30 PM

If nature has no homosexuality why would humans?


Hate to tell you this, but birds are notorious for it. And it can be for a breeding season, or for their lifetimes.

EquusDancer's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:32 PM


i'm absolutely horrified and saddened by this.

i can't believe that anyone would think they have a right to restrict others from marrying and being happy.

it's disgusting.


I respectfully disagree. I think marriage has always had cultural boundaries. Why do we let a 30 year old marry a 20 year old but not a 15? These things are culturally determined and not such a huge deal. I think the better way to fight for equal rights is to stick to the issus of RIGHTS. Whatever relationships people choose, they should have the rights to healthcare and financial assets that marital relationships have. There was never a need to tamper with marriage to accomplish this. For the record, I am bi. I am perfectly happy with man marrying woman but I do believe that people living alternate lives should have the same rights when it comes to their health,education, and finances(so long as commitment is involved).


That's changed over the years. It used to be girls were married off as soon as they started their periods. "If you can bleed, you can breed" So 10, 11, 12. It's only fairly recently, that we've changed the laws.

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:33 PM



i'm absolutely horrified and saddened by this.

i can't believe that anyone would think they have a right to restrict others from marrying and being happy.

it's disgusting.


I respectfully disagree. I think marriage has always had cultural boundaries. Why do we let a 30 year old marry a 20 year old but not a 15? These things are culturally determined and not such a huge deal. I think the better way to fight for equal rights is to stick to the issus of RIGHTS. Whatever relationships people choose, they should have the rights to healthcare and financial assets that marital relationships have. There was never a need to tamper with marriage to accomplish this. For the record, I am bi. I am perfectly happy with man marrying woman but I do believe that people living alternate lives should have the same rights when it comes to their health,education, and finances(so long as commitment is involved).


That's changed over the years. It used to be girls were married off as soon as they started their periods. "If you can bleed, you can breed" So 10, 11, 12. It's only fairly recently, that we've changed the laws.


It is still that way in many cultures....very true.

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:35 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 11/04/09 10:36 PM





If nature has no homosexuality why would humans?
:smile: Humans do lots of things that are unique in nature:smile:


you would be surprise, nature has everything under the sun BUT what is NATURAL for one species isnt always NATURAL for the next.
bigsmile No, I wouldnt be surprised.flowerforyou Humans do a lot of things that are unique in nature:smile:


Name one.



bigsmile Here is 10bigsmile

1.Most animals reproduce until they die, but in humans, females can survive long after ceasing reproduction. This might be due to the social bonds seen in humans -- in extended families, grandparents can help ensure the success of their families long after they themselves can have children.



2.Long Childhoods
Humans must remain in the care of their parents for much longer than other living primates. The question then becomes why, when it might make more evolutionary sense to grow as fast as possible to have more offspring. The explanation may be our large brains, which presumably require a long time to grow and learn.



3.Blushing
Humans are the only species known to blush, a behavior Darwin called "the most peculiar and the most human of all expressions." It remains uncertain why people blush, involuntarily revealing our innermost emotions. The most common idea is that blushing helps keep people honest, benefiting the group as a whole.



4.Fire
The human ability to control fire would have brought a semblance of day to night, helping our ancestors to see in an otherwise dark world and keep nocturnal predators at bay. The warmth of the flames also helped people stay warm in cold weather, enabling us to live in cooler areas. And of course it gave us cooking, which some researchers suggest influenced human evolution -- cooked foods are easier to chew and digest, perhaps contributing to human reductions in tooth and gut size.



5.Clothing
Humans may be called "naked apes," but most of us wear clothing, a fact that makes us unique in the animal kingdom, save for the clothing we make for other animals. The development of clothing has even influenced the evolution of other species -- the body louse, unlike all other kinds, clings to clothing, not hair.



6.Speech
The larynx, or voice box, sits lower in the throat in humans than in chimps, one of several features that enable human speech. Human ancestors evolved a descended larynx roughly 350,000 years ago. We also possess a descended hyoid bone -- this horseshoe-shaped bone below the tongue, unique in that it is not attached to any other bones in the body, allows us to articulate words when speaking.

7.Hands
Contrary to popular misconceptions, humans are not the only animals to possess opposable thumbs -- most primates do. (Unlike the rest of the great apes, we don't have opposable big toes on our feet.) What makes humans unique is how we can bring our thumbs all the way across the hand to our ring and little fingers. We can also flex the ring and little fingers toward the base of our thumb. This gives humans a powerful grip and exceptional dexterity to hold and manipulate tools with.



8.Nakedness
We look naked compared to our hairier ape cousins. Surprisingly, however, a square inch of human skin on average possesses as much hair-producing follicles as other primates, or more -- humans often just have thinner, shorter, lighter hairs.



9.Upright Posture
Humans are unique among the primates in how walking fully upright is our chief mode of locomotion. This frees our hands up for using tools. Unfortunately, the changes made in our pelvis for moving on two legs, in combination with babies with large brains, makes human childbirth unusually dangerous compared with the rest of the animal kingdom. A century ago, childbirth was a leading cause of death for women. The lumbar curve in the lower back, which helps us maintain our balance as we stand and walk, also leaves us vulnerable to lower back pain and strain.



10.Extraordinary Brains
Without a doubt, the human trait that sets us apart the most from the animal kingdom is our extraordinary brain. Humans don't have the largest brains in the world -- those belong to sperm whales. We don't even have the largest brains relative to body size -- many birds have brains that make up more than 8 percent of their body weight, compared to only 2.5 percent for humans. Yet the human brain, weighing only about 3 pounds when fully grown, give us the ability to reason and think on our feet beyond the capabilities of the rest of the animal kingdom, and provided the works of Mozart, Einstein and many other geniuses.




http://www.livescience.com/culture/091030-origins-top10-special-1.html

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:39 PM





If nature has no homosexuality why would humans?
:smile: Humans do lots of things that are unique in nature:smile:


you would be surprise, nature has everything under the sun BUT what is NATURAL for one species isnt always NATURAL for the next.
bigsmile No, I wouldnt be surprised.flowerforyou Humans do a lot of things that are unique in nature:smile:


Name one.




bigsmile Religionbigsmile

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:39 PM
show off,,,,

EquusDancer's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:41 PM






If nature has no homosexuality why would humans?
:smile: Humans do lots of things that are unique in nature:smile:


you would be surprise, nature has everything under the sun BUT what is NATURAL for one species isnt always NATURAL for the next.
bigsmile No, I wouldnt be surprised.flowerforyou Humans do a lot of things that are unique in nature:smile:


Name one.





3.Blushing
Humans are the only species known to blush, a behavior Darwin called "the most peculiar and the most human of all expressions." It remains uncertain why people blush, involuntarily revealing our innermost emotions. The most common idea is that blushing helps keep people honest, benefiting the group as a whole.


Apes actually flush. It's the loss of color, rather then us turning red, but it's done along similar lines, such as embarrassment and guilt.

http://www.smithsophian.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=7510a4f1-6e3d-4cf2-a10f-0a43e08de6e5

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:41 PM

show off,,,,
:tongue: flowers

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 11/04/09 10:44 PM







If nature has no homosexuality why would humans?
:smile: Humans do lots of things that are unique in nature:smile:


you would be surprise, nature has everything under the sun BUT what is NATURAL for one species isnt always NATURAL for the next.
bigsmile No, I wouldnt be surprised.flowerforyou Humans do a lot of things that are unique in nature:smile:


Name one.





3.Blushing
Humans are the only species known to blush, a behavior Darwin called "the most peculiar and the most human of all expressions." It remains uncertain why people blush, involuntarily revealing our innermost emotions. The most common idea is that blushing helps keep people honest, benefiting the group as a whole.


Apes actually FLUSH. It's the loss of color, rather then us turning red, but it's done along similar lines, such as embarrassment and guilt.

http://www.smithsophian.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=7510a4f1-6e3d-4cf2-a10f-0a43e08de6e5





3.BLUSHING
Humans are the only species known to BLUSH, a behavior Darwin called "the most peculiar and the most human of all expressions." It remains uncertain why people BLUSH, involuntarily revealing our innermost emotions. The most common idea is that BLUSHING helps keep people honest, benefiting the group as a whole



http://www.livescience.com/culture/091030-origins-top10-special-1.html

EquusDancer's photo
Wed 11/04/09 11:33 PM








If nature has no homosexuality why would humans?
:smile: Humans do lots of things that are unique in nature:smile:


you would be surprise, nature has everything under the sun BUT what is NATURAL for one species isnt always NATURAL for the next.
bigsmile No, I wouldnt be surprised.flowerforyou Humans do a lot of things that are unique in nature:smile:


Name one.





3.Blushing
Humans are the only species known to blush, a behavior Darwin called "the most peculiar and the most human of all expressions." It remains uncertain why people blush, involuntarily revealing our innermost emotions. The most common idea is that blushing helps keep people honest, benefiting the group as a whole.


Apes actually FLUSH. It's the loss of color, rather then us turning red, but it's done along similar lines, such as embarrassment and guilt.

http://www.smithsophian.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=7510a4f1-6e3d-4cf2-a10f-0a43e08de6e5





3.BLUSHING
Humans are the only species known to BLUSH, a behavior Darwin called "the most peculiar and the most human of all expressions." It remains uncertain why people BLUSH, involuntarily revealing our innermost emotions. The most common idea is that BLUSHING helps keep people honest, benefiting the group as a whole



http://www.livescience.com/culture/091030-origins-top10-special-1.html



Right Mirror. They're essentially doing the same thing as us, though. We turn red when embarrased, they go pale. Which means there is some acknowledgement of embarrassment. Which means its not so unique.


JustAGuy2112's photo
Wed 11/04/09 11:48 PM

show off,,,,


Well done. LOL

Foliel's photo
Thu 11/05/09 02:29 AM
Edited by Foliel on Thu 11/05/09 02:31 AM
Marriage is a christian tradition huh.....then how was it around long before christianity came into being? There are records of greek emporers getting married before christianty took a stranglehold on it. Kings and Queens held wedding ceremonies before christianity came about....makes me think marriage was around before christianity.

Marriage was also seen as a form of ownership, the wife belonged to the man and that was final. She was a piece of property.

As for Polygamy...hey if they're happy and it works for them, no skin off my back.

hellkitten54's photo
Thu 11/05/09 05:22 AM





i'm absolutely horrified and saddened by this.

i can't believe that anyone would think they have a right to restrict others from marrying and being happy.

it's disgusting.



Have you ever seen pictures from a "gay pride" march??--Now that's, disgusting!!smokin


Yes, these gay pride marches are a disgrace, the way they dress and act is disgusting. I was glad when Boston stood their ground and didn't have the St. Patrick's Day Parade the year the gays were allowed to have their parade. I know not all gays are like that, but hell, these parades go way too far.


Why look? If you don't like it, then don't bother. You think that when the evangelicals are having their shindigs in the middle of town that I go down and look at them with disgust?(since I do not agree with their beliefs) No, I mind my own business and go on about my day normally. Maybe you should do the same. Maybe if you did, you wouldn't be so angry with the world.


Oh my dear it IS my damn business. When little kids are at a parade they do NOT need to see these flamboyant scantily clad clothes. What kind of society have we become where all goes in front of our children. Sheesh people.slaphead So it is my business and I will go against it. You keep doing what you do and I will do the same.:thumbsup:

WTF does this have to do with gay/lesbianism, these videos are disturbing. Coming to your local neighborhoodnoway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4lqYDbDDRU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_388idUvAYg&feature=relatedhttp://americansfortruth.com/issues/the-agenda-glbtq-activist-groups/gay-culture/homosexual-pride-parades-festivals




One thing to solve your dilemma, DONT TAKE YOUR CHILDREN. So stay away.

I do not need to watch some videos about parades as I have been to plenty of them whoa Your so full of hate to see anything positive in these types of things. And your brainwashed. I feel sorry for you.

Foliel's photo
Thu 11/05/09 06:08 AM
I see what happens when you let people vote on issues that really shouldn't be a voter thing.....rights are taken away from people. They are told who they can and can't marry. I look forward to the day when maybe the human race will grow up and start letting other people live their own lives, or the day the world ends and it won't matter anymore.



msharmony's photo
Thu 11/05/09 06:20 AM

I see what happens when you let people vote on issues that really shouldn't be a voter thing.....rights are taken away from people. They are told who they can and can't marry. I look forward to the day when maybe the human race will grow up and start letting other people live their own lives, or the day the world ends and it won't matter anymore.





I think people vote because marriage is a legal issue. WE often vote on laws. As for living our own lives, we already do,, our actions just have consequences and always will.....

I think perhaps next we should fight for all the forty and fifty year old men to be permitted to marry junior high schoolers on the grounds that its their life and should be their decision. I am not being facetious either, the law is beginning to err on that side already when it agrees that children should be able to get abortions without parents consent. Once we loose sight of the DIFFERENCE between man and woman and adult and child for the sake of claiming ONENESS ,, we are gonna be in even more serious trouble.

Mr_Music's photo
Thu 11/05/09 06:25 AM
Just gotta say one thing:

GOOD FOR MAINE!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/05/09 06:30 AM

Just gotta say one thing:

GOOD FOR MAINE!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:


Yeah, I have to agree. I wish people could come at things in a more compromising way. I think we should approach the issue without requiring a change to marriage. There should be some legal way to document that two people have entered a commitment together and agreed to bind their finances and share their benefits. Those seem to be the real issues and I think much more would get accomplished if the campagin was run on those things instead of insisting that marriage be altered. But that is just one bisexual opinion.

no photo
Thu 11/05/09 06:41 AM
Homosexuality exist ever since human exists, we still do not accept it because mostly of religions and having them tell us what to think.

Just remember Adam and Eve had two sons only where did the rest of humanity come from after that and what don't we always hear of man taking advantage of boys (priests of all religions) then they turn around and tell people gay marriage is not acceptable in the lord eyes just clean up your act before telling others what to do.

It's always been here and always will be, some people like apple others prefer oranges, stick with what you like and let others choose who they like.

I do not believe in marriage but i won't stop others from getting married it is their life and their choice and it won't change a thing in my life if you get married so why would it change anything if two gay person get married.

Quietman_2009's photo
Thu 11/05/09 06:58 AM
myself, I don't care one way or the other. I'm apathetic. If they get it fine and if they don't I still dont really care

I'm watching the whole thing as a historical progression. It's gonna happen. just not as soon as some wish and sooner than others would like

As I've said before, they are going about it all wrong. Even here in the threads. If people oppose you on something, DON'T get all militant and in your face over it. Be charming and pursuasive and win people over.

All these insults and combativeness just alienates and stiffens the resolve of the those opposed to it and will make it take longer than necessary