Topic: America and Religion
jrbogie's photo
Thu 10/22/09 07:21 PM
Edited by jrbogie on Thu 10/22/09 07:28 PM




As a non-American i find it fascinating why religion, especially among the whites is growing throughout America. Is it a direct link to the Usa's aggresiveness to other countries, especially the muslim oil rich ones?


i don't buy your primise that religion is growing in america among whites. we continue to become a more racialy diverse nation and if you are refering to the christian religion, it's adherants are in steady decline in america. and of course your association with religion and america's "aggressivness" is simply absurd. as is the notion that the country is in fact agressive.
i never said that America was aggresive i said it is aggresive toward other countries through its foriegn policies. Think back to vietnam and count the number of countries america has put troops into.


let's see...
"aggressive"?

In Viet Nam the US was defending the South from invasion by the North

then there was Bosnia, the US and Nato was there defending the Muslim population from ethnic cleansing by the Orthodox Christians

and then there was Kuwait, the US and allies were defending the Muslim Kuwaitis from invasion by Iraq

In Iraq, Saddam violated every term of the surrender he signed after Kuwait, and the US was obligated to take him from power by the terms of that surrender.

In Afghanistan the US overthrew the Taliban and freed the Muslims from a worse horror than Saddam


seems to me most of this "aggression" has been to the purpose of defending Muslims instead of persecuting them





well said. and who can forget our "aggressive" acts in europe and the pacific in ww2 and in france in ww1. and to think that this thread about america's aggressiveness toward other countries was started by a brit. perhaps history as taught in england neglects to mention their "colonization", human rights atrocities and attempted world domination that lasted for centuries only to be squelched when we revolted against their highly unjust policies. have to ask the op if he'd rather the ussr had prevailed in the cold war and become the world's sole superpower.

tohyup's photo
Mon 10/26/09 05:02 PM
If you do not follow the teachings of a religion how can you call yourself religious ?. Christinians in America are Christinians in names only . They are doing everything contrarily to Christianity : abortions, homosexuality, lies, killings, adultery....etc....etc .

no photo
Tue 10/27/09 08:49 AM

As a non-American i find it fascinating why religion, especially among the whites is growing throughout America. Is it a direct link to the Usa's aggresiveness to other countries, especially the muslim oil rich ones?


Fearful people do stupid things. And there's a whole lotta fear in the world right now.

What our oil doing under their sand anyways???

tohyup's photo
Tue 10/27/09 01:01 PM
Huh....is there anyone on this planet who does not know that America is both an aggressor and a tyrant ?. There is absolutely no justification to what Americans did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan just to name few countries .

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Thu 10/29/09 02:35 AM


As a non-American i find it fascinating why religion, especially among the whites is growing throughout America. Is it a direct link to the Usa's aggresiveness to other countries, especially the muslim oil rich ones?


Fearful people do stupid things. And there's a whole lotta fear in the world right now.

What our oil doing under their sand anyways???


please sir learn to command the English language before posting.

as for this thread, i don't see where you get that religion in America is on the rise...maybe among republican voters....but according to a recent census , attendance is dropping in christian churches, while atheism is rising as well as those that convert to other religions which islam is slowly topping the list.

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Thu 10/29/09 11:43 AM



As a non-American i find it fascinating why religion, especially among the whites is growing throughout America. Is it a direct link to the Usa's aggresiveness to other countries, especially the muslim oil rich ones?


Fearful people do stupid things. And there's a whole lotta fear in the world right now.

What our oil doing under their sand anyways???


please sir learn to command the English language before posting.

as for this thread, i don't see where you get that religion in America is on the rise...maybe among republican voters....but according to a recent census , attendance is dropping in christian churches, while atheism is rising as well as those that convert to other religions which islam is slowly topping the list.


Oh I know you weren't talking to me. My command of the English language is brilliant. When I write a word, it sings itself. Perhaps you should look up a few concepts like humor, slang, and tongue-in-cheek. Not to mention just plain colloquilisms....
hrumpf...

(any spelling errors are the results of cats demanding attention and are not the fault of the author. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it)

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Sun 11/15/09 09:52 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sun 11/15/09 10:35 PM

Huh....is there anyone on this planet who does not know that America is both an aggressor and a tyrant ?. There is absolutely no justification to what Americans did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan just to name few countries .


Yes America is Aggressive. They have taken the same role as the Inquisition Martin Luther and Hitler who was Martin Luthers student.

Whether we want to say it or believe it we believe we are right in all matters. We tell other gov. what they can or can not do.

We set up the UN as a police of the world when in reality the UN is a arm of our Gov.

Our Gov lies to the people and kills 100'000 of thousands of Iraqi's and say it is for thier own good. They are not smart enough to know what they want. We are the liberater.

The inquisition did the same thing believe or die.

Martin Luther said Jews were devils and made them a villian that if they worshipped they would be burned to death. He wrote The Lie which Hitler based his extermination of the Jews on making them a villian and people had to turn them in or face Hitlers wrath..

Now the US does the same thing do as we say or face our wrath.

Fine country we have. Shalom...Miles

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/15/09 10:04 PM

If you do not follow the teachings of a religion how can you call yourself religious ?. Christinians in America are Christinians in names only . They are doing everything contrarily to Christianity : abortions, homosexuality, lies, killings, adultery....etc....etc .



As odd as it will sound, to be Christian is to believe Christ died for our sins and to welcome him into your heart as lord and savior. Nowhere does it require one to be without sin , because noone is. If one truly believes Christ as lord and saviour, they will try to live in a way that would please him but they will not be without stumbles and slips,,,that is what forgiveness is for.

Thomas3474's photo
Mon 11/16/09 12:08 AM
If Christianty is declining because people don't want to do what the bible says or wants to re-write it to fit their own agenda then so be it.A Christian who believes in water downed Christianity is just one step above a spiritual Atheist.I don't want to go to a church full of half believers.I would rather have 10 good Christians on my side who would die in the name of Christ than a 1000 who wouldn't.I know there is a lot of Christians out there who have bought into this political correctness insanity and are way off track.But there is many who have not and we will forge a even stronger church than the one before us and we will be blessed,as we will follow Gods word not mans.


There was army of soldiers that were traveling through a small village many years ago who were Christians.They waited for the service to start at the local church and came in with their machine guns in hand.They told the congregation "We know you are Christians.If you stay you will be shot.However if you deny Christ and leave your life will be sparred".About half of them left.Half stayed including the pastor and one of the soldiers sat down and put his gun down and said "We just wanted to get rid of the hypocrites before you stated.You may continue".

artman48's photo
Mon 11/16/09 12:11 AM

I would rethink the premise of the paper

religion in America is declining, not growing


America is a less Christian nation than it was 20 years ago, and Christianity is not losing out to other religions, but primarily to a rejection of religion altogether, a survey published Monday found.
Survey finds percentage of of Americans identifying themselves as Christian has fallen over two decades.

Survey finds percentage of of Americans identifying themselves as Christian has fallen over two decades.

Seventy-five percent of Americans call themselves Christian, according to the American Religious Identification Survey from Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut. In 1990, the figure was 86 percent.

William Donohue, president of the Catholic League said he thinks a radical shift towards individualism over the last quarter-century has a lot to do it.

"The three most dreaded words are thou shalt not," he told Lou Dobbs. "Notice they are not atheists -- they are saying I don't want to be told what to do with my life."

At the same time there has been an increase in the number of people expressing no religious affiliation.

-CNN


as for the link between that and American "aggression" towards muslim and/or oil rich nations, I think that is more a matter of subjective perception and quite a stretch



You are good my friend--can't top this!!drinker

artman48's photo
Mon 11/16/09 12:15 AM

If Christianty is declining because people don't want to do what the bible says or wants to re-write it to fit their own agenda then so be it.A Christian who believes in water downed Christianity is just one step above a spiritual Atheist.I don't want to go to a church full of half believers.I would rather have 10 good Christians on my side who would die in the name of Christ than a 1000 who wouldn't.I know there is a lot of Christians out there who have bought into this political correctness insanity and are way off track.But there is many who have not and we will forge a even stronger church than the one before us and we will be blessed,as we will follow Gods word not mans.


There was army of soldiers that were traveling through a small village many years ago who were Christians.They waited for the service to start at the local church and came in with their machine guns in hand.They told the congregation "We know you are Christians.If you stay you will be shot.However if you deny Christ and leave your life will be sparred".About half of them left.Half stayed including the pastor and one of the soldiers sat down and put his gun down and said "We just wanted to get rid of the hypocrites before you stated.You may continue".



Yep! another great post!!!:thumbsup:

Thomas3474's photo
Mon 11/16/09 12:15 AM
Islam topping the list???Keep dreaming. laugh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

Religious category Number of followers Cultural tradition Main regions covered

Christianity 2,100,000,000 – 2,200,000,000


Islam 1,300,000,000 – 1,600,000,000

artman48's photo
Mon 11/16/09 12:23 AM



As a non-American i find it fascinating why religion, especially among the whites is growing throughout America. Is it a direct link to the Usa's aggresiveness to other countries, especially the muslim oil rich ones?


Fearful people do stupid things. And there's a whole lotta fear in the world right now.

What our oil doing under their sand anyways???


please sir learn to command the English language before posting.

as for this thread, i don't see where you get that religion in America is on the rise...maybe among republican voters....but according to a recent census , attendance is dropping in christian churches, while atheism is rising as well as those that convert to other religions which islam is slowly topping the list.



Didn't know command of the english language was a rule of posting--- thanks guy!bigsmile bigsmile

Thomas3474's photo
Mon 11/16/09 12:29 AM


Huh....is there anyone on this planet who does not know that America is both an aggressor and a tyrant ?. There is absolutely no justification to what Americans did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan just to name few countries .


Yes America is Aggressive. They have taken the same role as the Inquisition Martin Luther and Hitler who was Martin Luthers student.

Whether we want to say it or believe it we believe we are right in all matters. We tell other gov. what they can or can not do.

We set up the UN as a police of the world when in reality the UN is a arm of our Gov.

Our Gov lies to the people and kills 100'000 of thousands of Iraqi's and say it is for thier own good. They are not smart enough to know what they want. We are the liberater.

The inquisition did the same thing believe or die.

Martin Luther said Jews were devils and made them a villian that if they worshipped they would be burned to death. He wrote The Lie which Hitler based his extermination of the Jews on making them a villian and people had to turn them in or face Hitlers wrath..

Now the US does the same thing do as we say or face our wrath.

Fine country we have. Shalom...Miles



Total nonsense.Was it not the United states who stopped Hitler from "The final solution"?After World war two the United states and Britain were about the only two countries who would even accept the Jews after the war.Just about every country would not take them.Who was instrumental in creating a Jewish settlement in Israel after the War.United states ring a bell?You better face the facts.With out the United states there wouldn't be a single Jewish person alive on this planet today.Count your blessings Miles.

As far as the United states being some kind of Dictatorship that manipulates the United nations???Are you kidding me?The United nations is a joke!They blow off what the United states asks of them probably 95% of the time.When they actually do something it is almost always screwed up and backwards.

The only thing I see the United states doing is preventing ruthless dictators from killing millions of innocent people.The United states has always done what is right.It has finished more Wars and brought more peace than any country in the history of this planet.Perhaps you need to read a history book on the history of War.Pay special attention to how the war was started and more importantly who finished them.

Scrittore's photo
Mon 11/16/09 02:52 AM
Just about every country would not take them.

Proof?

Who was instrumental in creating a Jewish settlement in Israel after the War...

That would be Britain's fault.

...The United states has always done what is right.It has finished more Wars and brought more peace than any country in the history of this planet...

Boshe.

no photo
Mon 11/16/09 10:37 AM

If Christianty is declining because people don't want to do what the bible says or wants to re-write it to fit their own agenda then so be it.A Christian who believes in water downed Christianity is just one step above a spiritual Atheist.I don't want to go to a church full of half believers.I would rather have 10 good Christians on my side who would die in the name of Christ than a 1000 who wouldn't.I know there is a lot of Christians out there who have bought into this political correctness insanity and are way off track.But there is many who have not and we will forge a even stronger church than the one before us and we will be blessed,as we will follow Gods word not mans.


There was army of soldiers that were traveling through a small village many years ago who were Christians.They waited for the service to start at the local church and came in with their machine guns in hand.They told the congregation "We know you are Christians.If you stay you will be shot.However if you deny Christ and leave your life will be sparred".About half of them left.Half stayed including the pastor and one of the soldiers sat down and put his gun down and said "We just wanted to get rid of the hypocrites before you stated.You may continue".



Interesting. So...if those soldiers really wanted to do those un-hypocritical christians a favor, they should've shot them all and sent them to paradise immediately.
Conversely, isn't it a tenant of christianity to get people to church who aren't "good" christians so that they may hear the word, as it were, and start believing? Wouldn't removing the "hypocrits" just condemn them? Sounds like those soldiers were just typical self-righteous a-holes.

I would submit that christanity is declining because more and more people are seeing it for the superstitious nonsense it truly is.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 11/16/09 02:05 PM



Huh....is there anyone on this planet who does not know that America is both an aggressor and a tyrant ?. There is absolutely no justification to what Americans did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan just to name few countries .


Yes America is Aggressive. They have taken the same role as the Inquisition Martin Luther and Hitler who was Martin Luthers student.

Whether we want to say it or believe it we believe we are right in all matters. We tell other gov. what they can or can not do.

We set up the UN as a police of the world when in reality the UN is a arm of our Gov.

Our Gov lies to the people and kills 100'000 of thousands of Iraqi's and say it is for thier own good. They are not smart enough to know what they want. We are the liberater.

The inquisition did the same thing believe or die.

Martin Luther said Jews were devils and made them a villian that if they worshipped they would be burned to death. He wrote The Lie which Hitler based his extermination of the Jews on making them a villian and people had to turn them in or face Hitlers wrath..

Now the US does the same thing do as we say or face our wrath.

Fine country we have. Shalom...Miles



Total nonsense.Was it not the United states who stopped Hitler from "The final solution"?After World war two the United states and Britain were about the only two countries who would even accept the Jews after the war.Just about every country would not take them.Who was instrumental in creating a Jewish settlement in Israel after the War.United states ring a bell?You better face the facts.With out the United states there wouldn't be a single Jewish person alive on this planet today.Count your blessings Miles.

As far as the United states being some kind of Dictatorship that manipulates the United nations???Are you kidding me?The United nations is a joke!They blow off what the United states asks of them probably 95% of the time.When they actually do something it is almost always screwed up and backwards.

The only thing I see the United states doing is preventing ruthless dictators from killing millions of innocent people.The United states has always done what is right.It has finished more Wars and brought more peace than any country in the history of this planet.Perhaps you need to read a history book on the history of War.Pay special attention to how the war was started and more importantly who finished them.




I would say you need to read what really happened and how we entered WW2. Why we wanted to? Who did we destroy and then rebuild in our shadows for profit.

Who finaced WW2 on both side? Public record. treason yet the family takes contro; of whatever they want.

The Un is a US backed entity but u are right we still do what we want the hell with everyone else.

WMD's Colin Powell stood before the UN ande claimed he had proof when the proof he had had told him Iraq did not have WMD's


So you sound like a loyal American believe what ever Bill O Rielly and Hamnnity says. They are war heroes.

The US was not so worried about the Nazi'z as they was Japan who has become the little USA where the money is with 7 of the richests banks in the world thir in 50 years. Who utterly destroyed them then rebuilt them?

We knew the Jews were being slaughtered but what did we really do about it?

Step in and show false peace when thier is no peace?

Brits gave them a home not us.Even Roosevelt warned in office that thier are men behind the scenes he said then even whos goal was world domination with the elite deciding our fate for us.

I don't just read what my 8th grade History book says.. I look for the Why has something ha[ppened and does it really ad up and make sence.. I am not Jewish just incase anyone might think i am....Shalom...Miles


Dragoness's photo
Mon 11/16/09 04:44 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 11/16/09 04:48 PM

As a non-American i find it fascinating why religion, especially among the whites is growing throughout America. Is it a direct link to the Usa's aggresiveness to other countries, especially the muslim oil rich ones?


The religions that have been rising are the non traditional religions. Pagans are on the rise, as are Wiccans.

The hatemongers in this country will always target someone to hate and lately it has been the Muslims. They do not care if they are justified or not they just have to hate.

bedlum1's photo
Mon 11/16/09 04:49 PM
actually i think the studies showed atheism was on the fastest rise

Quietman_2009's photo
Mon 11/16/09 04:50 PM
ummmm a couple of misconceptions I see

the US did very little to stop the "final solution". the Soviet Union was more instrumental in that (and the fall of Berlin)

and the US and Britain were the main ones refusing entry to the Jews

France actually took in a LOT but they got too full too fast

some of the Jewish "coffin ships" sank off the American coast while the Coast Guard refused to render aid