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Topic: America and Religion
Dragoness's photo
Mon 11/16/09 04:58 PM

actually i think the studies showed atheism was on the fastest rise


I don't consider atheism a religion.

It is ridiculous to say so.

I have been told that the supreme court ruled it a religion for certain purposes though.

bedlum1's photo
Mon 11/16/09 05:14 PM


actually i think the studies showed atheism was on the fastest rise


I don't consider atheism a religion.

It is ridiculous to say so.

I have been told that the supreme court ruled it a religion for certain purposes though.
i dont consider it religion just said it was rising faster than religion

Dragoness's photo
Mon 11/16/09 05:18 PM



actually i think the studies showed atheism was on the fastest rise


I don't consider atheism a religion.

It is ridiculous to say so.

I have been told that the supreme court ruled it a religion for certain purposes though.
i dont consider it religion just said it was rising faster than religion


I did not mean that you were ridiculous, sorry, I meant that those who refer to it as a religion are being ridiculous.flowerforyou

bedlum1's photo
Mon 11/16/09 05:20 PM


As a non-American i find it fascinating why religion, especially among the whites is growing throughout America. Is it a direct link to the Usa's aggresiveness to other countries, especially the muslim oil rich ones?


The religions that have been rising are the non traditional religions. Pagans are on the rise, as are Wiccans.

The hatemongers in this country will always target someone to hate and lately it has been the Muslims. They do not care if they are justified or not they just have to hate.
yes us wiccans are on the rise also.flowerforyou i think it is because of the hate mongers and religious intolerance that it is.

tohyup's photo
Mon 11/16/09 05:23 PM


Huh....is there anyone on this planet who does not know that America is both an aggressor and a tyrant ?. There is absolutely no justification to what Americans did in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan just to name few countries .


Yes America is Aggressive. They have taken the same role as the Inquisition Martin Luther and Hitler who was Martin Luthers student.

Whether we want to say it or believe it we believe we are right in all matters. We tell other gov. what they can or can not do.

We set up the UN as a police of the world when in reality the UN is a arm of our Gov.

Our Gov lies to the people and kills 100'000 of thousands of Iraqi's and say it is for thier own good. They are not smart enough to know what they want. We are the liberater.

The inquisition did the same thing believe or die.

Martin Luther said Jews were devils and made them a villian that if they worshipped they would be burned to death. He wrote The Lie which Hitler based his extermination of the Jews on making them a villian and people had to turn them in or face Hitlers wrath..

Now the US does the same thing do as we say or face our wrath.

Fine country we have. Shalom...Miles

It seems those who have power do anything they want under any pretext . The only ones who can stop atrocities and tyranny are the people who care about justice and fairness on this planet .
Education helped some folks understand the value of justice while others although they are educated, they are still blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to justice and fairness in this gloge of ours .
Peace for always !.

bedlum1's photo
Mon 11/16/09 05:23 PM




actually i think the studies showed atheism was on the fastest rise


I don't consider atheism a religion.

It is ridiculous to say so.

I have been told that the supreme court ruled it a religion for certain purposes though.
i dont consider it religion just said it was rising faster than religion


I did not mean that you were ridiculous, sorry, I meant that those who refer to it as a religion are being ridiculous.flowerforyou
i agree...flowerforyou i didnt think u were sayin that..just reitterating for the sake of others...lolflowerforyou

bedlum1's photo
Mon 11/16/09 05:32 PM
as for generalizing america..speak for yourself..im not agressive towards other counties or peoples..and neither is many many more of us...our government isnt america, our people are, and many dont agree with certain wars at all...also the whole whites and religion thing....thats a little played out..

Thomas3474's photo
Mon 11/16/09 07:56 PM

ummmm a couple of misconceptions I see

the US did very little to stop the "final solution". the Soviet Union was more instrumental in that (and the fall of Berlin)

and the US and Britain were the main ones refusing entry to the Jews

France actually took in a LOT but they got too full too fast

some of the Jewish "coffin ships" sank off the American coast while the Coast Guard refused to render aid



Your misconception is a misconception....The two countries receiving the largest numbers of emigrés were the United States and Israel.United states accepted over 400,000.Even in 1951 the population of all jews in France was only 250,000.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/France.html#Holocaust


France became a haven for postwar refugees and within 25 years its Jewish population tripled. In 1945, 180,000 Jews were living in France, and, by 1951, the population reached 250,000. An influx of North African Jews immigrated to France in the 1950's due to the decline of the French empire. Subsequent waves of immigration followed the Six-Day War, when another 16,000 Moroccan and Tunisian Jews settled in France. Hence, by 1968, Sephardic Jews were the majority in France. These new immigrants were already culturally French and needed little time to adjust to French society.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/what-happened.shtml

What Happened to the Jews
After the Holocaust?

Not all of the Jews in Europe were murdered in the Holocaust. After the fall of the Third Reich, Europe was a war-torn shambles. Hundreds of thousands of people were homeless and seeking a new life. These were known at the time as "displaced persons." Among them were several hundred thousand Jews who had either survived the horrors of the concentration camps or escaped the Nazis altogether. Resettling these displaced persons was the job of the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA). In 1947, because of problems with the UNRRA, a new organization, the International Refugee Organization (IRO) took over the work of finding homes for the displaced persons.

Resettling the survivors was not an easy job. When the IRO took over in 1947, there were approximately 1,200,000 Jewish and non-Jewish people looking for homes. In the next four years the IRO was able to resettle about a million people.

The Jews represented a serious problem for the IRO. They did not want to return to the homes they had before the war. Some Jews were, in fact, murdered by mobs when they tried to return to Poland. Others did not want to return to countries now run as Soviet puppet states. The problem was complicated because many countries refused to allow the survivors to enter. A large number of Jewish survivors wanted to go to Palestine; the British were against such immigration and allowed fewer than 100,000 Jews to enter before Israel declared its independence in May, 1948.

Another complication was the attitude of certain officials in the United States who deliberately impeded Jews from immigrating there despite the policy of the government to allow them to find new homes in the United States. In 1945, President Harry Truman had appointed Earl G. Harrison to make a report of the condition and needs of refugees, especially Jews. His excellent report resulted in a reorganization of UNRRA and, later the establishment of the IRO. Truman asked Congress several times to relax immigration restrictions for displaced persons and, on December 22, 1945, announced in the Truman Directive that the policy of the United States was to give preferential treatment to displaced persons. President Truman continued to be personally interested in this problem, but was unable to effectively put his policies into action.

Looking for new homes approximately 137,000 Jews came to the United States (which admitted almost 400,000 refugees). Other countries where Jews found new homes were France, Canada, Great Britain, and Israel. The two countries receiving the largest numbers of emigrés were the United States and Israel.

In the judgment of one historian, the efforts made by the United States and other countries did not meet the needs of the Jewish refugees in Europe, who were often denied the opportunity to find new homes and new lives. As Leonard Dinnerstein states in his book about the refugees: "In sum, strong national prejudices, procrastination in Congress, and some less than dynamic leadership from the White House combined to prolong the miseries of those Jews who survived the Holocaust."

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Mon 11/16/09 09:26 PM

actually i think the studies showed atheism was on the fastest rise


yea!

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