Topic: State paying to rebuild a killer’s face
Dragoness's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:13 PM

just a random thought - reconstruct his face to look like his victim - so everytime he looks in the mirror he sees her face!!! pitchfork sorry the bad in me is wanting to come out devil


I don't know if this is a good thing...lol:wink: but I think this is an excellent idea.

Karma at it's best.

TJN's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:14 PM


just a random thought - reconstruct his face to look like his victim - so everytime he looks in the mirror he sees her face!!! pitchfork sorry the bad in me is wanting to come out devil


scared but not a bad idea ... in a warped way:laughing:

Know you both are scaring mescared
no Marriage for either one of youscared laugh

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Mon 10/12/09 01:17 PM



just a random thought - reconstruct his face to look like his victim - so everytime he looks in the mirror he sees her face!!! pitchfork sorry the bad in me is wanting to come out devil


scared but not a bad idea ... in a warped way:laughing:

Know you both are scaring mescared
no Marriage for either one of youscared laugh

We can live in sin pitchfork

Save money

Save trees

I'll bring the duct tape


pitchforkpitchforkpitchforkpitchfork

Dragoness's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:18 PM



Because I have to put into account that the man may have
been mentally unwell not by his own fault or whatever I cannot judge him as less than human. I was not there nor was I inside him to know intentions. It may appear obvious to us on the outside but it is never completely clear unless we can be inside of others.


Taking this stance, does it not relieve the person of accepting responsibility for their actions? Making all actions just that actions, no one has to step up and accept the consequences or rewards of their actions?

He may have been mentally unwell (doubtful) as it appears to me to be premeditated and calculated (jmo).

He may have been fully mentally functional - as it appears to me as I find it premeditated and calculated. (again jmo)


No because I did not say let him out of jail and free him.

If we are going to incarcerate humans, we have to have a line to where the treatment is not inhumane. Even though treating humans like animals may be just that.

If he is tortured, even if it is self inflicted, we cannot stand by and allow it to continue.

IF the government is going to take it upon themselves to be the punishers of humans they will have to balance it with humane consideration.

I already said I am on the fence with this because if he is not being tortured at some level by the injury then no need for it but if he is tortured and we can fix it, it is our (government) responsibility to take the torture away.

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Mon 10/12/09 01:21 PM
Edited by papersmile on Mon 10/12/09 01:26 PM
Strenke's mother is defending the decision, saying Strenke, 45, is "tortured" by his injuries. He is serving a 60-year sentence, including 30 years behind bars.


and so he should be tortured.

for the bleeding hearts who feel sorry for him, take away the mirror in his cell so that he not 'suffer' from his deformity. blow the other side of his face to pieces so that he not 'suffer' from his deformity.

franshade's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:24 PM




Because I have to put into account that the man may have
been mentally unwell not by his own fault or whatever I cannot judge him as less than human. I was not there nor was I inside him to know intentions. It may appear obvious to us on the outside but it is never completely clear unless we can be inside of others.


Taking this stance, does it not relieve the person of accepting responsibility for their actions? Making all actions just that actions, no one has to step up and accept the consequences or rewards of their actions?

He may have been mentally unwell (doubtful) as it appears to me to be premeditated and calculated (jmo).

He may have been fully mentally functional - as it appears to me as I find it premeditated and calculated. (again jmo)


No because I did not say let him out of jail and free him.

If we are going to incarcerate humans, we have to have a line to where the treatment is not inhumane. Even though treating humans like animals may be just that.

If he is tortured, even if it is self inflicted, we cannot stand by and allow it to continue.

IF the government is going to take it upon themselves to be the punishers of humans they will have to balance it with humane consideration.

I already said I am on the fence with this because if he is not being tortured at some level by the injury then no need for it but if he is tortured and we can fix it, it is our (government) responsibility to take the torture away.

jmo nothing more

There line has been drawn - there are rules and regulations for inmates (nothing new)

The only torture I truly see is for my pocket, your pocket, my neighbors pocket, etc.

He should live with his decision (again jmo) - now in hindsight he feels tortured, guess what, tough cookies!!! every action has a reaction, consequence or reward - so chose wisely. :thumbsup:

Dragoness's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:24 PM
You know there is only one entity, I have been told, that has the right to vengeance.

So all humans who take it upon themselves to judge and inflict, even by just thought, vengeance on another human defy the entity of their creation.

Right?

franshade's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:28 PM

You know there is only one entity, I have been told, that has the right to vengeance.

So all humans who take it upon themselves to judge and inflict, even by just thought, vengeance on another human defy the entity of their creation.

Right?


There are multiple entities, I have been told. I am not judging and definitely not inflicting anything (he did it all by himself) nor am I trying nor requesting any vengeance - he made his choice now he should live with the consequences.


TJN's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:30 PM

You know there is only one entity, I have been told, that has the right to vengeance.

So all humans who take it upon themselves to judge and inflict, even by just thought, vengeance on another human defy the entity of their creation.

Right?

So did that "entity" give him the right to take someones life?
Maybe that "entity" kept him alive so he would have to live with what he did the way he is as punishment.

TJN's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:31 PM




just a random thought - reconstruct his face to look like his victim - so everytime he looks in the mirror he sees her face!!! pitchfork sorry the bad in me is wanting to come out devil


scared but not a bad idea ... in a warped way:laughing:

Know you both are scaring mescared
no Marriage for either one of youscared laugh

We can live in sin pitchfork

Save money

Save trees

I'll bring the duct tape


pitchforkpitchforkpitchforkpitchfork


Deal!

As long as it's yellow duct tapelaugh

no photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:32 PM
The sorry arse should be happy that he's even alive, he needs to shut the hell up and deal with the consequences of HIS actions.

He judged when he murdered another human being. We as a society cannot condone this and feeling sorry for people like him, well I don't! I'm not a bleeding heart and am not politically correct to feel any pity for a cold blooded killer.

I like papersmile's idea a heck of a lot better.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:39 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 10/12/09 01:40 PM


You know there is only one entity, I have been told, that has the right to vengeance.

So all humans who take it upon themselves to judge and inflict, even by just thought, vengeance on another human defy the entity of their creation.

Right?

So did that "entity" give him the right to take someones life?
Maybe that "entity" kept him alive so he would have to live with what he did the way he is as punishment.


You may be right since it works in mysterious ways and all that. We actually know that it was her time to go because he doesn't take anyone before their time right?

But if the vengeance isn't ours to deal out nor wallow in, should we be so vehement and judgemental to another human who is the same as us until the day he goes before his maker?

I am just asking because I see a few Christians on this board and "vengeance is His and only His" by their faith.

I actually use that saying from Christianity to help me remember that I am the same as all other humans on this planet. I make different choices but I am still the same, human.

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Mon 10/12/09 01:41 PM
Main Entry: ven·geance
Pronunciation: \ˈven-jən(t)s\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from venger to avenge, from Latin vindicare to lay claim to, avenge — more at vindicate
Date: 14th century

: punishment inflicted in retaliation for an injury or offense : retribution

— with a vengeance 1 : with great force or vehemence <undertook reform with a vengeance>
2 : to an extreme or excessive degree <the tourists are back—with a vengeance>



IMO I don't see it as vengeance. if someone shot him in the face to retaliate over something...that would be vengeance. but he did this to himself after he killed someone else

TJN's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:42 PM



You know there is only one entity, I have been told, that has the right to vengeance.

So all humans who take it upon themselves to judge and inflict, even by just thought, vengeance on another human defy the entity of their creation.

Right?

So did that "entity" give him the right to take someones life?
Maybe that "entity" kept him alive so he would have to live with what he did the way he is as punishment.


You may be right since it works in mysterious ways and all that. We actually know that it was her time to go because he doesn't take anyone before their time right?

But if the vengeance isn't ours to deal out nor wallow in, should we be so vehement and judgemental to another human who is the same as us until the day he goes before his maker?

I am just asking because I see a few Christians on this board and "vengeance is His and only His" by their faith.

I actually use that saying from Christianity to help me remember that I am the same as all other humans on this planet. I make different choices but I am still the same, human.

But are you responsible for your choices? Should you be held responsible for your choices good or bad?

Dragoness's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:48 PM




You know there is only one entity, I have been told, that has the right to vengeance.

So all humans who take it upon themselves to judge and inflict, even by just thought, vengeance on another human defy the entity of their creation.

Right?

So did that "entity" give him the right to take someones life?
Maybe that "entity" kept him alive so he would have to live with what he did the way he is as punishment.


You may be right since it works in mysterious ways and all that. We actually know that it was her time to go because he doesn't take anyone before their time right?

But if the vengeance isn't ours to deal out nor wallow in, should we be so vehement and judgemental to another human who is the same as us until the day he goes before his maker?

I am just asking because I see a few Christians on this board and "vengeance is His and only His" by their faith.

I actually use that saying from Christianity to help me remember that I am the same as all other humans on this planet. I make different choices but I am still the same, human.

But are you responsible for your choices? Should you be held responsible for your choices good or bad?


I am ultimately responsible for myself.

I have not said he should not meet the punishment of the law, as sorry as that process is, I said I will not spout off about what he deserves because it is not my place to do so and I don't want to get the karma back for saying it.

I will not sit here and talk as if I know him and know what a monster he is when none of us do. I will not sit here and call him everything but human because of a news article.

I also hope others realize their faith says that they cannot judge others either. Vengeance belongs to the Christian god and judgement belongs to him so all Christians who have decided that he "deserves" anything are in violation of their faith.

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Mon 10/12/09 01:49 PM
Edited by darkowl1 on Mon 10/12/09 01:52 PM
well, i can fix it.....i can rip the top part of his jaw off, and it'll be even. he'll still have a nose, and a wiggly tongue that hangs, but he might be able to sing the vowel song after i'm done, by constricting his esophagus...you know the one.....A-E-I-O-U-and sometimes-Y...happy :banana:

otherwise puck him.mad


he can even star as a victim in a horror movie.........OH! it's not a movie! oh well, too late....devil laugh pitchfork

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:50 PM
I am speaking from taxes going up to do these things that are self inflected. I'm not will to pay for it. If it was done to a victim or because of bad cops shooting illegally...then I wouldn't have a problem

darkowl1's photo
Mon 10/12/09 01:53 PM
Edited by darkowl1 on Mon 10/12/09 01:54 PM
now that's what i call a receeding chin!!!!!laugh laugh laugh rofl

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Mon 10/12/09 02:06 PM

well, i can fix it.....i can rip the top part of his jaw off, and it'll be even. he'll still have a nose, and a wiggly tongue that hangs, but he might be able to sing the vowel song after i'm done, by constricting his esophagus...you know the one.....A-E-I-O-U-and sometimes-Y...happy :banana:

otherwise puck him.mad


he can even star as a victim in a horror movie.........OH! it's not a movie! oh well, too late....devil laugh pitchfork

laugh laugh

Haha the horror movie thing is good, heck save a lot of money on make up laugh

TJN's photo
Mon 10/12/09 02:15 PM

well, i can fix it.....i can rip the top part of his jaw off, and it'll be even. he'll still have a nose, and a wiggly tongue that hangs, but he might be able to sing the vowel song after i'm done, by constricting his esophagus...you know the one.....A-E-I-O-U-and sometimes-Y...happy :banana:

otherwise puck him.mad


he can even star as a victim in a horror movie.........OH! it's not a movie! oh well, too late....devil laugh pitchfork

Haha don't give him any ideas. there's prolly a book deal in the works somewherefrustrated