Shouldn't this topic be in the "Religion" section?

The question posed has a direct relation to one's beliefs.
To suppose you can surpass God has to be the thoughts of a non-Christian. (in my opinion)
As a Christian, the mere thought has implications of pride and vanity, both of which are not in tune with the teachings of Christ.
There have been many selfless courageous acts performed by men, yet I feel they have not surpassed God at all.

Now let's address the question logically and simply...
I would not think man has surpassed God until that man has no fear like you suggest God doesn't. To give a man credit for overcoming fear when God doesn't have to is like saying the man who went from 500lbs down to 200lbs surpassed someone who was already 200lbs. ( a very simple analogy)

In my opinion, the only way to surpass God would be to will God out of existence and take His place.

That's pretty much what I thought. So as I said, there have been at least three of them.

my premises are not opinion, they are inductive reasoning.
God cant die which leads us to belive that God cant fear (look up fear) so God cant be couragous (look up couragous.
so far the only person who has come up with a logical argument is peter pan.
saying something is not right, doesnt mean its not right.
where is your inference?
dont just blow someones argument out of the water for the sake of it. if you say its wrong, prove it! are we children?

Ok, here’s the definition of “fear” I am using (from dictionary.com) “a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.”

You state a conclusion (“God cannot feel fear”) based on the two premises (“God cannot die” and “One must be able to die in order to feel fear”.)

However, the definition of fear specifies “impending danger, evil, pain, etc.” Thus, impending death is not the only condition under which one can feel fear.

Now if one goes by biblical accounts, God can experience impending evil. (See Revelations.)

Thus, the conclusion “God cannot feel fear” does not logically follow from the definition of the word "fear".

impeding evil is not the definition of fear. (straw man fallacy) for God to fear evil, he would have to fear what evil could do to him, harm him or hurt him in some way correct? according to the bible, God is not subject to death. Heres the definition of fear accroding to Wikipedia
"Fear is an emotional response to a threat. It is a basic survival mechanism occurring in response to a specific stimulus, such as pain or the threat of danger"
Heres the definition according to worweb
"An emotion experienced in anticipation of some specific pain or danger (usually accompanied by a desire to flee or fight)"

and finnaly your own, dictonary.com
"a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid."
KEYWORD, DISTRESSING EMOTION AROUSED BY...

God does EXPERIENCE impending evil in the bible, but experienciing something is not being afraid. NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY GOD FEARS EVIL.
the conclusion God experiences impending evil, therefore he can feel fear is not at all logical. (invalid inference)
The conclusion God cant feel fear based on the definition of fear, is logical.
no... you cant attack my inference, its solid.

Well sure it’s solid if you start with a definition of God that includes built-in limitations.

You’re saying that it is impossible for God to feel fear. That even if he wanted to, he couldn’t.

Now, if that’s your concept of God, then it is clear that the God you’re talking about cannot feel fear, and thus cannot be courageous. No disagreement there.

But realize that your logic is based entirely on a concept of God which includes built-in limitations on his abilities.

Now my concept of God does not contain any limitations at all. So your logic does not apply to my concept of God.

Simple.

much better! that makes a little more sense. and no it doesnt otherwise we would agree right?
i agree that God could feel fear if he wanted to. according to the bible hes the alpha and omega, the creator, a God of love and war...
i imagine if hes that powerfull, he can do whatever he feels like.
but is it exrtaordinary? if superman saves 1000 lives and beats the bad guy with his bare hands tomorrow, thats great, im glad he did it...but thats his job and he probably didnt work up a sweat. but for a mortal to do the same, kowing hes mortal and can die... that is extraordinary.
now im a curious sob, but i do believe in God and if God is what they say he is, im sure hes laughing at me right now. it was just a thought, but a good one. and a logical one.

i agree that God could feel fear if he wanted to. according to the bible hes the alpha and omega, the creator, a God of love and war...
i imagine if hes that powerfull, he can do whatever he feels like.
but is it exrtaordinary? if superman saves 1000 lives and beats the bad guy with his bare hands tomorrow, thats great, im glad he did it...but thats his job and he probably didnt work up a sweat. but for a mortal to do the same, kowing hes mortal and can die... that is extraordinary.
now im a curious sob, but i do believe in God and if God is what they say he is, im sure hes laughing at me right now. it was just a thought, but a good one. and a logical one.

* * * Frankly, jason, I'm appauled with you:
As a religious person, HOW DARE YOU REFER TO GOD IN THIRD TENSE? ? ?
That's a blathphemy!!! Aren't you concerned you might burn inHell?!!
______________HE might and will panish you!!!

* * * REPENT, you sinner, before it is too late!!! * * *

If you'll confess your sins, then ________ He will reward you!!!

God dispenses reward & panishment -- in response to whether He's pleased of displeased...

That means GOD HAS AMOTIONS!!! And, consequently, He might have Mood (and mood-swings)...
*** Gee, I thought those qualities are reserved only for the mortals!!!

Then, if He's familiar with the Mood, He must also be familiar with Pleasure and Pain (and, by transitivity, with Fear and Bravery)!

I REST MY CASE!!!

P.S. this topic really has NO FACKEN PLACE IN THE "SCI + PHI" forum!

The example of superman is a little bit different, since it talks about “extraordinary”, not “courageous”. And there’s no doubt that what is “ordinary” for superman is “extraordinary” for a mere human.

But don’t forget that what makes one ordinary and the other extraordinary is that the two are being judged by different standards. In other words, there’s a double standard at work. The two are being judged according to their capabilities and not by how many people were saved. Saving 1000 people is pretty extraordinary regardless of who does it.

yes sir, that double standard sinks my ship. i concede
thank you for your imput i appriciate it

you

i could.... i really could, but arguing for the sake of arguing is pointless, immature, and abusive to logic.
i like how you express your self though, lol

Anytime you mix omnipotence with omniscience and then presuppose a first person perspective you get paradox. All such experience requires first person perspective.

There is one way a man could elevate himself above any divinity or diety, even if only for a moment...
and that is through pure selfless courage



(This is not ment to offend anyone. And my intentions are to DISCUSS this topic using sound reason and logic)

JasonP,
When any religion is faced with thought, knowledge, or technology which challenges its very foundation, man's creativity can be boundless. This is how religous evolve and at least one religion is still here because of this creative evolution.

The challenge of the question you are exploring has already been met and resolved.

God the trinity - God became man in the form Christins call 'son'. Hense God does know fear and pain and experienced it first hand.

Logic is often an exercise in creativity, but without a firm and proven theory logic is just a creative effort - but in religion, creativity is logic because belief proves it.

Bite the bullet on this and try again!