That is the point. This God you speak of doesn't 'do' anything...doesn't 'feel' anything ... doesn't 'think' anything... It IS everything.

The scenario you describe is seen through earth eyes and processed through an earth mind... what we know here ...and notions of God are based upon humans.

If this metaphysical other world exists ... you are not your body ... you die here but still live.... some theories even suggest multiple lives going on at the same time so if you die in this one, you are still alive in another one ... it starts to blow your hair back a little to think about it ...

Yes it appears (and IS) very courageous what you describe ... but it is seen through a limiting filter.

From this metaphysical vantage point - In this scenario, you don't actually die ... you just leave this playing field.

That's really beautiful!
You, Gurl, are really ARTfull...

Lady ... Jane

very profound
isnt the human brain amazing
im intrested in that theory about multiple lives. does that have a name id like to learn more about it

but the topic itself does not adhere to sound reason and logic. your claim presupposes that a divinity or diety exists. that is neither sound reasoning or logical. requires faith you see.

That does not elevate him above anyone. Courage is simply faith. Well, maybe not. Courage would be to face your fear. But if you were above any divinity, you would not feel fear...

Frankly, I don't comprehend What's "the pure selfless courage" got to do with "divinity or diety" ? ? ?

*** Maybe that would be the case for a deeply religious person -- who'd dare question the devine wisdom... ***

... As for the rest of the "sinners", courage would mean exceeding one's comfort level... (as Jeannie's phrased it, "facing your fear")

Thus, unless anybody wants to add anything more, I declare this particular (USELESS) TOPIC DONE, DEAD, AND DECEASED!!!

well, since we cant seem to come up with a solid counter, i guess we can declare it dead.
i dont care if you belive in God or not, read the post.
There is something that God cant do, thats courage(look up the definition)
why would God not want his childern to grow and maby even surpass him? do you want your children to grow, be sucessful, and even do better than you? i do. so why cant God.
Saying God doesnt exsist isnt a sound argument. quit asuming you are right and im wrong. its all interpritation and judgment (right or wrong is)

Not sure what you mean by "solid counter" but I assume you mean something to the effect of "logical refutation".

If so, then it looks to me like there were at least three of them.

The one that seems the strongest is that the all of the premises are based on nothing more than personal opinion.

I like your flare, Janestar

To Jane One who knows of courage by its use.

firstly, it's an open forum and people can say whatever they choose. secondly, right or wrong IS as each individual sees right and wrong to be. for instance, i think it wrong for you to say in open forum, "quit assuming you are right and i am wrong" to another forum participant. you obviously see nothing wrong in it. as you say, it's all interpretation and judgement.

Yep. Allow people to assume whatever they want. We all like to think that we are 'right.'

It is up to the individual to discover if they are 'right or wrong." No one likes to be told that they are wrong. If they are, the law of Karma will soon show them that they are. They may not even realize it.

We need to figure these things out by experience and instead of taking a strong position, I like to try to see things through someone else's eyes. Everyone has a point to make and everyone has a reason for what and how they believe.

solid counter argument excuse me.

quit assuming doesnt mean dont argue with me, it means that is a discussion, people talk and trade ideas. they dont tell eachother their wrong, and they dont insult eachother.
i know im not always right. i know that i dont know anything really.
your right people can say what they choose, nut nobody will ever come up with anything usful unless we all swollow some pride and step in someone elses shoes.
i know i dont have to be right all the time. i learn when im wrong and i love learning.
i also know you dont have to attack or patranize someone to make your point.

well mate you can't blame God for the choices we make..you do what you want to do cos you choose too..God don't force his will on anyone..he allows you to make your own choices...because God is Spirit one needs to be Holy Spirit filled and led to understand the Spiritual things...I've lived in both worlds, i come to learn that God is just as real as the nose stuck to your face...

That's pretty much what I thought. So as I said, there have been at least three of them.

Shouldn't this topic be in the "Religion" section?

The question posed has a direct relation to one's beliefs.
To suppose you can surpass God has to be the thoughts of a non-Christian. (in my opinion)
As a Christian, the mere thought has implications of pride and vanity, both of which are not in tune with the teachings of Christ.
There have been many selfless courageous acts performed by men, yet I feel they have not surpassed God at all.

Now let's address the question logically and simply...
I would not think man has surpassed God until that man has no fear like you suggest God doesn't. To give a man credit for overcoming fear when God doesn't have to is like saying the man who went from 500lbs down to 200lbs surpassed someone who was already 200lbs. ( a very simple analogy)

In my opinion, the only way to surpass God would be to will God out of existence and take His place.