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I think it would be a very good idea to have a serious discussion about religion and what creates extremists. I think it was CNN a couple of years ago did some work on Christian Zionists and their agenda that was pretty damn disturbing, that didn't seem to get much attention, of if it did I didn't see it.
But it's long over due for a real discussion of how religion is used to vilify those religion has a problem with. Christianity and Islam I believe are the two largest religions and have the most problem with each other because both go out of their way to convert in large numbers as if it were a contest. While we put irrational focus on Muslims in America we ignore what Christian Zionists and other extreme Christian groups are up to, which is curious to me. I'm not into conspiracy theories, and frankly I had no idea how extreme Christianity could be in our country, until I started reading on line about 15 years ago, from sites where they don't exactly hide their agendas and still don't. I also had no idea how large Islam was and how many countries call it their's. I think we need to hear more from Moderate Muslims about what they believe, and how much influence they might want in our government, might help with those that think if you Muslim you are of course a terrorist, which is silly of course, but most moderate Muslims and Christians won't be the ones to organize and cause grief for everyone. But people that follow both do fund agendas often with out knowing what they are funding.... So while I think Willing is a bit over the top in his view, it would be naive and dangerous not to monitor Islam in the US. |
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They should live by the laws of the country they adopt, I agree. One thing American fail to realize... we have a constitution which is a rigid documents. Which makes it harder to alter. In other countries, there laws mold and adapt to it's residents. So, if there is an influx of a particular immigrant group, they may have leavage to change or influence fundemental laws. Didn't the Jews influence America and have tremendous power like the neo cons, the Zionists and the Jewish lobby ?. Can we not see the truth anymore ?. Are we politically blind ?.  . Mulims are much more dangerous than Zionists. They are hands-on and radically active in killing those who do not convert, wish to convert to other religions or oppose them. There is claim that the ones here in the US are moderate and peaceful. I will just call them sleepers. When the call goes out to rise up, they will either join the radicals or not do anything to stop them. You are certainly Wrong and you should wake up and smell the truth . |
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I think it would be a very good idea to have a serious discussion about religion and what creates extremists. I think it was CNN a couple of years ago did some work on Christian Zionists and their agenda that was pretty damn disturbing, that didn't seem to get much attention, of if it did I didn't see it. But it's long over due for a real discussion of how religion is used to vilify those religion has a problem with. Christianity and Islam I believe are the two largest religions and have the most problem with each other because both go out of their way to convert in large numbers as if it were a contest. While we put irrational focus on Muslims in America we ignore what Christian Zionists and other extreme Christian groups are up to, which is curious to me. I'm not into conspiracy theories, and frankly I had no idea how extreme Christianity could be in our country, until I started reading on line about 15 years ago, from sites where they don't exactly hide their agendas and still don't. I also had no idea how large Islam was and how many countries call it their's. I think we need to hear more from Moderate Muslims about what they believe, and how much influence they might want in our government, might help with those that think if you Muslim you are of course a terrorist, which is silly of course, but most moderate Muslims and Christians won't be the ones to organize and cause grief for everyone. But people that follow both do fund agendas often with out knowing what they are funding.... So while I think Willing is a bit over the top in his view, it would be naive and dangerous not to monitor Islam in the US. Christian Zionism is SCARY shtuff!!   
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I think it would be a very good idea to have a serious discussion about religion and what creates extremists. I think it was CNN a couple of years ago did some work on Christian Zionists and their agenda that was pretty damn disturbing, that didn't seem to get much attention, of if it did I didn't see it. But it's long over due for a real discussion of how religion is used to vilify those religion has a problem with. Christianity and Islam I believe are the two largest religions and have the most problem with each other because both go out of their way to convert in large numbers as if it were a contest. While we put irrational focus on Muslims in America we ignore what Christian Zionists and other extreme Christian groups are up to, which is curious to me. I'm not into conspiracy theories, and frankly I had no idea how extreme Christianity could be in our country, until I started reading on line about 15 years ago, from sites where they don't exactly hide their agendas and still don't. I also had no idea how large Islam was and how many countries call it their's. I think we need to hear more from Moderate Muslims about what they believe, and how much influence they might want in our government, might help with those that think if you Muslim you are of course a terrorist, which is silly of course, but most moderate Muslims and Christians won't be the ones to organize and cause grief for everyone. But people that follow both do fund agendas often with out knowing what they are funding.... So while I think Willing is a bit over the top in his view, it would be naive and dangerous not to monitor Islam in the US. Christian Zionism is SCARY shtuff!! http://www.jewsonfirst.org/08a/huckabee_christian_zionist.html |
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One last serious question for those defending radical Islams. Knowing what they do to inifidels, when it comes time to convert or die, what will be your choice? willing...I think the point people are making is that not all Muslims are radicals. there are radicals everywhere and in everything but not everyone is radical. just as tolerance is every where but not in everyone. there are laws here that are enforced regardless of beliefs Absolutely! If we are going to ban Muslim based on this kind of stuff, then we need to ban Christian because a tiny handful believe gays should be exterminated, and of course all KKK members are white so perhaps we should ban all white people and some men believe that women are inferior objects so perhaps we should ban all men. I know willing will never see it but it is EXACTLY the same logic. exactly...and ban all other religions/beliefs The point is, ban their Sharia Law, not their religion. Here is what is currently going on. Fact:In Afghanistan a new law allowing a man to rape his wife if she does not submit was recently instigated. Fact:Generally, Sharia Law is not compatible with democracy. It does not treat women equal to men. Women are second-class citizens not allowed the same property, inheritance and sexual rights of a male. A woman is expected to wear at least a hijab, not associate with men other than her husband or father and walk behind her husband. Moreover, not just women, but all non-Muslims are second-class citizens in the eyes of Islam. Fact:In some countries, such as Somalia, female genital mutilation is frequently performed on small female children. Fact:However, while this may be an extreme example of Radical Islam, it is not unusual today to hear of honor murders in many non-Islamic countries where a woman is accused of anything from not marrying a selected husband to adultery. Perhaps you hadn't noticed but raping one's wife is already illegal in this country, as are all the things you are complaining about being within the Within the Sharia Law. "Making it illegal" as you suggest has already been done. All religious documents are heavily interpreted. Bible condones stoning and many other forms of torture for those who do not follow it's laws. Those things too have been outlawed in his country. Just as it is with Christians, those following the Muslim faith have chosen to interpret differently than some extremists. Both I repeat both groups have extremists within this country. It is proper for us to try to locate those extremists of all kinds, but not at the cost of our freedoms and constitutional rights. |
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I think it would be a very good idea to have a serious discussion about religion and what creates extremists. I think it was CNN a couple of years ago did some work on Christian Zionists and their agenda that was pretty damn disturbing, that didn't seem to get much attention, of if it did I didn't see it. But it's long over due for a real discussion of how religion is used to vilify those religion has a problem with. Christianity and Islam I believe are the two largest religions and have the most problem with each other because both go out of their way to convert in large numbers as if it were a contest. While we put irrational focus on Muslims in America we ignore what Christian Zionists and other extreme Christian groups are up to, which is curious to me. I'm not into conspiracy theories, and frankly I had no idea how extreme Christianity could be in our country, until I started reading on line about 15 years ago, from sites where they don't exactly hide their agendas and still don't. I also had no idea how large Islam was and how many countries call it their's. I think we need to hear more from Moderate Muslims about what they believe, and how much influence they might want in our government, might help with those that think if you Muslim you are of course a terrorist, which is silly of course, but most moderate Muslims and Christians won't be the ones to organize and cause grief for everyone. But people that follow both do fund agendas often with out knowing what they are funding.... So while I think Willing is a bit over the top in his view, it would be naive and dangerous not to monitor Islam in the US. Christian Zionism is SCARY shtuff!! Yes it is and what's more scary is that they don't hide it.. because they know most folks aren't even aware of it. |
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I think it would be a very good idea to have a serious discussion about religion and what creates extremists. I think it was CNN a couple of years ago did some work on Christian Zionists and their agenda that was pretty damn disturbing, that didn't seem to get much attention, of if it did I didn't see it. But it's long over due for a real discussion of how religion is used to vilify those religion has a problem with. Christianity and Islam I believe are the two largest religions and have the most problem with each other because both go out of their way to convert in large numbers as if it were a contest. While we put irrational focus on Muslims in America we ignore what Christian Zionists and other extreme Christian groups are up to, which is curious to me. I'm not into conspiracy theories, and frankly I had no idea how extreme Christianity could be in our country, until I started reading on line about 15 years ago, from sites where they don't exactly hide their agendas and still don't. I also had no idea how large Islam was and how many countries call it their's. I think we need to hear more from Moderate Muslims about what they believe, and how much influence they might want in our government, might help with those that think if you Muslim you are of course a terrorist, which is silly of course, but most moderate Muslims and Christians won't be the ones to organize and cause grief for everyone. But people that follow both do fund agendas often with out knowing what they are funding.... So while I think Willing is a bit over the top in his view, it would be naive and dangerous not to monitor Islam in the US. Christian Zionism is SCARY shtuff!! http://www.jewsonfirst.org/08a/huckabee_christian_zionist.html Ya, don't even get me started on Huckabee. I have a good friend in florida that thought he should be president, she has no idea what Huckabee is really into. |
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radicals scare me period. those without tolerance of others scares me. there are radicals every where...Christians, Wiccans, Atheists, etc. they have no tolerance for others and they are the ones I watch. People like Jeremiah Wright scares me but at least he is loud about it and we know who he is. it's the quiet ones or those not in the public eye that concerns me
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radicals scare me period. those without tolerance of others scares me. there are radicals every where...Christians, Wiccans, Atheists, etc. they have no tolerance for others and they are the ones I watch. People like Jeremiah Wright scares me but at least he is loud about it and we know who he is. it's the quiet ones or those not in the public eye that concerns me You and me both Rose. The scariest to me is the large numbers of extremists who don't see that they too are extremists. Hidden behind their own vale of ignorance and intolerance. |
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radicals scare me period. those without tolerance of others scares me. there are radicals every where...Christians, Wiccans, Atheists, etc. they have no tolerance for others and they are the ones I watch. People like Jeremiah Wright scares me but at least he is loud about it and we know who he is. it's the quiet ones or those not in the public eye that concerns me We know who these people are, we just don't know what they are doing because we don't bother to follow what they are doing in the media, While the christian right loves it when we focus narrowly is on some body like Wright, their own deeds go unnoticed and unchecked. Wright is a nobody compared to those in the christian right with the real power and influence. Wright was just used to diminish Obama. |
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radicals scare me period. those without tolerance of others scares me. there are radicals every where...Christians, Wiccans, Atheists, etc. they have no tolerance for others and they are the ones I watch. People like Jeremiah Wright scares me but at least he is loud about it and we know who he is. it's the quiet ones or those not in the public eye that concerns me We know who these people are, we just don't know what they are doing because we don't bother to follow what they are doing in the media, While the christian wright loves it when we focus narrowly is on some body like Wright, their own deeds go unnoticed and unchecked. Wright is a nobody compared to those in the christian right with the real power and influence. Wright was just used to diminish Obama. 
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radicals scare me period. those without tolerance of others scares me. there are radicals every where...Christians, Wiccans, Atheists, etc. they have no tolerance for others and they are the ones I watch. People like Jeremiah Wright scares me but at least he is loud about it and we know who he is. it's the quiet ones or those not in the public eye that concerns me You and me both Rose. The scariest to me is the large numbers of extremists who don't see that they too are extremists. Hidden behind their own vale of ignorance and intolerance. agreed 100% |
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They should live by the laws of the country they adopt, I agree. One thing American fail to realize... we have a constitution which is a rigid documents. Which makes it harder to alter. In other countries, there laws mold and adapt to it's residents. So, if there is an influx of a particular immigrant group, they may have leavage to change or influence fundemental laws. Didn't the Jews influence America and have tremendous power like the neo cons, the Zionists and the Jewish lobby ?. Can we not see the truth anymore ?. Are we politically blind ?. . Mulims are much more dangerous than Zionists. They are hands-on and radically active in killing those who do not convert, wish to convert to other religions or oppose them. There is claim that the ones here in the US are moderate and peaceful. I will just call them sleepers. When the call goes out to rise up, they will either join the radicals or not do anything to stop them. I really think you are zero politics and you should educate yourself . |
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They should live by the laws of the country they adopt, I agree. One thing American fail to realize... we have a constitution which is a rigid documents. Which makes it harder to alter. In other countries, there laws mold and adapt to it's residents. So, if there is an influx of a particular immigrant group, they may have leavage to change or influence fundemental laws. Didn't the Jews influence America and have tremendous power like the neo cons, the Zionists and the Jewish lobby ?. Can we not see the truth anymore ?. Are we politically blind ?. . Mulims are much more dangerous than Zionists. They are hands-on and radically active in killing those who do not convert, wish to convert to other religions or oppose them. There is claim that the ones here in the US are moderate and peaceful. I will just call them sleepers. When the call goes out to rise up, they will either join the radicals or not do anything to stop them. I really think you are zero politics and you should educate yourself . OK. You made your point. Now, get over it. Does that mean you don't wanna' be my friend??  
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can't we ban the Baptists too?
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^^^^^^^^ First off, you didn't write this, Willing. You lifted it from here: www.thepetitionsite.com If one googles a lot of what gets posted here by the most radical conservatives, one can tell a lot of conservative thought posted here is scripted. To be blunt, these forums are turning into the CMM, the Conservative Mainstream Media. One might as well be arguing with a robot pre-programmed to print out the same propaganda over and over. Second, there's this little stumbling block called the Constitution of the United States that makes what this plagiarized essay wants patently illegal. Unless you're going to suggest that the Constitution should be ammended to say "Freedom of Religion only applies to Christianity and those religiouns of which Christians approve", some 'liberal' court is going to shoot any attempt to implement this down. And you're not going to do that, right? -Kerry O. Got nothing to do with freedom of religion. Has everything with blocking them from implementing Sahri'ah Law and given speciasl consideration to live seperatist lives, not subject to our laws. I see no problem with them similating into our society. However, the first word or suggestion for special considerations, Bam, ship them back to Mecca. No, this petition isn't in Contra to the Constitution. We have every right to screen Immigrants. Sorry, you're just wrong. You can't discriminate on the basis of religion. Period. America was founded on the principle of religious freedom. IF what you say was true, groups like the Quakers and the Amish would also meet your 'separatist' rule. As would the Branch Davidians, the Christian Reconstructionists and many others. Besides, all an extremist Muslim would have to do to wind up in jail or deported if not naturalized would be to make specific terroristic threats against an individual or group of individual. Freedom of religion doesn't cover that. The country gives them the same due process of law everyone else gets, and to quote you, "BAM", their yelps of prejudice are turned to whimpers. You can't go shredding the Consititution every time a nebulous threat is envisioned. Otherwise, it means nothing. And I'm a LOT more afraid of that than some overzealous religionists beating their chests and pulling "We shall bury you" Nikita Krushchev schtick. -Kerry O. |
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^^^^^^^^ First off, you didn't write this, Willing. You lifted it from here: www.thepetitionsite.com If one googles a lot of what gets posted here by the most radical conservatives, one can tell a lot of conservative thought posted here is scripted. To be blunt, these forums are turning into the CMM, the Conservative Mainstream Media. One might as well be arguing with a robot pre-programmed to print out the same propaganda over and over. Second, there's this little stumbling block called the Constitution of the United States that makes what this plagiarized essay wants patently illegal. Unless you're going to suggest that the Constitution should be ammended to say "Freedom of Religion only applies to Christianity and those religiouns of which Christians approve", some 'liberal' court is going to shoot any attempt to implement this down. And you're not going to do that, right? -Kerry O. Got nothing to do with freedom of religion. Has everything with blocking them from implementing Sahri'ah Law and given speciasl consideration to live seperatist lives, not subject to our laws. I see no problem with them similating into our society. However, the first word or suggestion for special considerations, Bam, ship them back to Mecca. No, this petition isn't in Contra to the Constitution. We have every right to screen Immigrants. Sorry, you're just wrong. You can't discriminate on the basis of religion. Period. America was founded on the principle of religious freedom. IF what you say was true, groups like the Quakers and the Amish would also meet your 'separatist' rule. As would the Branch Davidians, the Christian Reconstructionists and many others. Besides, all an extremist Muslim would have to do to wind up in jail or deported if not naturalized would be to make specific terroristic threats against an individual or group of individual. Freedom of religion doesn't cover that. The country gives them the same due process of law everyone else gets, and to quote you, "BAM", their yelps of prejudice are turned to whimpers. You can't go shredding the Consititution every time a nebulous threat is envisioned. Otherwise, it means nothing. And I'm a LOT more afraid of that than some overzealous religionists beating their chests and pulling "We shall bury you" Nikita Krushchev schtick. -Kerry O. Fo' da' third time, Ya'll. It ain't about banning any religion. It's about banning their Sharia Law from our Justice System. |
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Really, then why are making comments that muslims should be let in the country?
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Wan to address another thing. I see a desire to censor and quiet the voice of the opposition. This area of the forums is Politics, News and Current Events. I copy and paste the news. Makes sense. I also copy and paste ideas I agree with. Saves typing. I also use other peoples investigations. The best I can, I attempt to use MSM to validate stories. However, most of them censor news that would shed a negative light on their favorites. Not at all. All I'm saying is that when you post someone else's words, you should give attribution. It's good manners, and it might even be contra to the Terms of Use to post copyrighted material that you don't hold the copyright on as your own. And since you posted that essay to rebut 'the opposition', I think it's good manners to alert the person trying to debate _you_-- NOT the Conservative Collective that cranks out what you posted-- that you're borrowing someone else's thunder. In short, cutting and pasting to gain an unfair advantage. -Kerry O. |
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^^^^^^^^ First off, you didn't write this, Willing. You lifted it from here: www.thepetitionsite.com If one googles a lot of what gets posted here by the most radical conservatives, one can tell a lot of conservative thought posted here is scripted. To be blunt, these forums are turning into the CMM, the Conservative Mainstream Media. One might as well be arguing with a robot pre-programmed to print out the same propaganda over and over. Second, there's this little stumbling block called the Constitution of the United States that makes what this plagiarized essay wants patently illegal. Unless you're going to suggest that the Constitution should be ammended to say "Freedom of Religion only applies to Christianity and those religiouns of which Christians approve", some 'liberal' court is going to shoot any attempt to implement this down. And you're not going to do that, right? -Kerry O. Got nothing to do with freedom of religion. Has everything with blocking them from implementing Sahri'ah Law and given speciasl consideration to live seperatist lives, not subject to our laws. I see no problem with them similating into our society. However, the first word or suggestion for special considerations, Bam, ship them back to Mecca. No, this petition isn't in Contra to the Constitution. We have every right to screen Immigrants. Sorry, you're just wrong. You can't discriminate on the basis of religion. Period. America was founded on the principle of religious freedom. IF what you say was true, groups like the Quakers and the Amish would also meet your 'separatist' rule. As would the Branch Davidians, the Christian Reconstructionists and many others. Besides, all an extremist Muslim would have to do to wind up in jail or deported if not naturalized would be to make specific terroristic threats against an individual or group of individual. Freedom of religion doesn't cover that. The country gives them the same due process of law everyone else gets, and to quote you, "BAM", their yelps of prejudice are turned to whimpers. You can't go shredding the Consititution every time a nebulous threat is envisioned. Otherwise, it means nothing. And I'm a LOT more afraid of that than some overzealous religionists beating their chests and pulling "We shall bury you" Nikita Krushchev schtick. -Kerry O. Fo' da' third time, Ya'll. It ain't about banning any religion. It's about banning their Sharia Law from our Justice System. It's principles are ALREADY inherently banned! Sheesh! -Kerry O. |
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