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adj4u
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notice six lines up from the end of the arresting officers report gates said door not securable from break in so it is not like there were no break ins going on in the area he had one himself and knew it he should be charged and the charge should have remained  Like I said before I think this is being blown out of proportion. No,I dont think the officer is rascist. I also dont think its a good idea to piss off a cop. The cop did not have to make an arrest. The Professor shown that it was his house, the cop could have just left then. I would think a person trained in profiling would understand that an african american man of a certain age group would feel threatened by a cop in his own house. The officer could have had thicker skin and not let an elderly university professor get to him.The oldman is a prestigious citizen and hardly any sort of threat to anyone. And I feel its all being blown out of proportion.The officer didnt really do anything wrong except overreact slightly by arresting the Professor.It was the right move to drop the charge the professor is the one that blew it out of proportion you would think a harvard professor would be smart enough to know how to respond the charge should not have been dropped if he was just a guy that worked at the neighborhood mcdonalds then yes it should have been dropped but gates is a harvard professor and knows the president he was playing it for all he could get and if you do not see that then maybe you should run for office and lets not forget gates threatened the arresting officers mama  
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I'm starting to think Gates and President Obama sat next to each other at the good Rev. Wright's sermons. "The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost"... sorry, I couldn't resist. Many people forget the past, but I don't. I don't really see the comparison. Wright is a buffoon that preached at a church and Gates is a Harvard professorThe Professor hasn't said anything rascist.
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notice six lines up from the end of the arresting officers report gates said door not securable from break in so it is not like there were no break ins going on in the area he had one himself and knew it he should be charged and the charge should have remained Like I said before I think this is being blown out of proportion. No,I dont think the officer is rascist. I also dont think its a good idea to piss off a cop. The cop did not have to make an arrest. The Professor shown that it was his house, the cop could have just left then. I would think a person trained in profiling would understand that an african american man of a certain age group would feel threatened by a cop in his own house. The officer could have had thicker skin and not let an elderly university professor get to him.The oldman is a prestigious citizen and hardly any sort of threat to anyone. And I feel its all being blown out of proportion.The officer didnt really do anything wrong except overreact slightly by arresting the Professor.It was the right move to drop the charge the professor is the one that blew it out of proportion you would think a harvard professor would be smart enough to know how to respond the charge should not have been dropped if he was just a guy that worked at the neighborhood mcdonalds then yes it should have been dropped but gates is a harvard professor and knows the president he was playing it for all he could get and if you do not see that then maybe you should run for office History
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I'm starting to think Gates and President Obama sat next to each other at the good Rev. Wright's sermons. "The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost"... sorry, I couldn't resist. Many people forget the past, but I don't. I don't really see the comparison. Wright is a buffoon that preached at a church and Gates is a Harvard professorThe Professor hasn't said anything rascist. wrong again mirror him calling the cop racist in its self is being raciest |
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notice six lines up from the end of the arresting officers report gates said door not securable from break in so it is not like there were no break ins going on in the area he had one himself and knew it he should be charged and the charge should have remained Like I said before I think this is being blown out of proportion. No,I dont think the officer is rascist. I also dont think its a good idea to piss off a cop. The cop did not have to make an arrest. The Professor shown that it was his house, the cop could have just left then. I would think a person trained in profiling would understand that an african american man of a certain age group would feel threatened by a cop in his own house. The officer could have had thicker skin and not let an elderly university professor get to him.The oldman is a prestigious citizen and hardly any sort of threat to anyone. And I feel its all being blown out of proportion.The officer didnt really do anything wrong except overreact slightly by arresting the Professor.It was the right move to drop the charge the professor is the one that blew it out of proportion you would think a harvard professor would be smart enough to know how to respond the charge should not have been dropped if he was just a guy that worked at the neighborhood mcdonalds then yes it should have been dropped but gates is a harvard professor and knows the president he was playing it for all he could get and if you do not see that then maybe you should run for office History he is a professor at harvard he was playing it for ALL HE COULD |
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I'm starting to think Gates and President Obama sat next to each other at the good Rev. Wright's sermons. "The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost"... sorry, I couldn't resist. Many people forget the past, but I don't. I don't really see the comparison. Wright is a buffoon that preached at a church and Gates is a Harvard professorThe Professor hasn't said anything rascist. wrong again mirror him calling the cop racist in its self is being raciest He said that he felt that he was racially profiled. Thats not rascist.People actually do get racially profiled
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Racial profiling has more to do with vehicle stops than possible home burglaries. Profiling occurs when a cop pulls someone over. When a neighbor calls 911, how is the cop profiling? He is just responding to a call. 1Adam12, 1Adam12...possible 10-14 in progress. (not sure if 10-14 is right or should I say Wright).
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OK...does being a friend of Obama, make/put you above the law, even in a disorderly charge?  Reference: Prof Gates, in the recent arrest in Cambridge, Ma. What is your opinion? "Disorderly" charges (along with "obstruction of justice" charges) are often used by police in ways that I consider an abuse of authority. |
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Had he not had the "chip" on his shoulder, and went along with the standard procedures...all would have been OK. Standard procedure being "Yes, sir. No sir. I'm sorry officer." I used to tell the person, when he/she started mouthing off..."You can make this easy or hard on yourself...your choice"! Exactly. But should it be a crime for a person to mouth off? |
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Everybody needs to just get over it...the guy and the cop both need to step up and apologize for their part and move on. They are both so full of pride they just can't do that.... gawd  There's a lot of truth to this. But its not just personal pride, there are principles on both sides. Both the cop and the professor probably believe they are standing up for something important much larger then themselves. |
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Had he not had the "chip" on his shoulder, and went along with the standard procedures...all would have been OK. Standard procedure being "Yes, sir. No sir. I'm sorry officer." I used to tell the person, when he/she started mouthing off..."You can make this easy or hard on yourself...your choice"! Exactly. But should it be a crime for a person to mouth off?  And in your own house
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Let me see if I understand you... example: If you were speeding, and I pulled you over, wrote you a ticket for said traffic offense....and a couple of days later...for whatever reason...(favor for a relative/friend of yours)I decide to drop the speeding ticket...your saying now...that it must have been "bogus" because I doped it? Just because I fictitiously dropped the charges...don't erase the fact of your actual crime. Did I get that right? On the whole, in my personal observation (in San Diego and LA), there are far more cases of bogus tickets being written and then dropped then tickets being dropped for other reasons. |
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I have watched many many police officers exercise the most extreme degree of patience and respect while detaining verbally abusive and needlessly confrontational people (especially drunks, often with other drugs in the mix). Suspects will spit, punch, kick, flail - often in their own separate drug-induced reality as to what is actually happening.
I have a lot of respect for all the police out there who are capable of doing this - you are better people than I. But I find it very disturbing that so many people seem to think that its OKAY for police to use charges, false or otherwise, against people who don't meet their personal standard of 'respectful conduct towards a police officer'. Its just wrong. |
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I have watched many many police officers exercise the most extreme degree of patience and respect while detaining verbally abusive and needlessly confrontational people (especially drunks, often with other drugs in the mix). Suspects will spit, punch, kick, flail - often in their own separate drug-induced reality as to what is actually happening. I have a lot of respect for all the police out there who are capable of doing this - you are better people than I. But I find it very disturbing that so many people seem to think that its OKAY for police to use charges, false or otherwise, against people who don't meet their personal standard of 'respectful conduct towards a police officer'. Its just wrong. It is a fine line. Here is my take on your point. The Professor obviously was not on drug to the police. or intoxicated..He was plain and simply, uncooperative and was arrested for Disorderly Conduct. He should have been. He was disorderly vs cooperative. His friendship with the President was a motivating factor..verified by the Presidents comments.jmo |
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Adj,
you would think a harvard professor would be smart enough to know how to respond ... but gates is a harvard professor and knows the president he was playing it for all he could get I agree that the prof is probably to be 'playing' the situation with a deliberate intent. What do you think his 'real' intentions are? Maybe I am naive, but I thought maybe.... just maybe.... he has a notion of how all human being should be treated, sees wrong in how he was treated, and believes that raising a stink about this might help attract attention to issues worthy of our attention. |
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Dude basically got arrested just for breaking into his own house
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Dude basically got arrested just for breaking into his own house No he got arrested for being a belligerent person. Haven't most of us been arrested or know someone that is a good person get arrested for a misdemeanor? My point is, who was responsible? To me, the Professor could have handled things way differently and it would all be a non issue. The Sgt, has had plenty of support. The Professor, only Obama. Trump card. |
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It is a fine line. Here is my take on your point. The Professor obviously was not on drug to the police. or intoxicated..He was plain and simply, uncooperative and was arrested for Disorderly Conduct. He should have been. He was disorderly vs cooperative. His friendship with the President was a motivating factor..verified by the Presidents comments.jmo Oh, I didn't mean to compare sober 'disrespect' with drunk 'disrespect'. I'm just expressing my appreciation for all the police out there who are willing to just suck it up and deal with the crap they have to deal with, in that difficult and dangerous job. ------ I don't understand what you are saying about being the presidents friend - do you think he was extra disorderly because he believed his powerful friends would help him out of any mess he got into? I think -any- harvard professor has enough money, prestige, and friends that he wouldn't be afraid of a disorderly conduct charge - not even afraid of a conviction. It could actually benefit his standing; legal fees and penalties just a drop in his bucket. ------- >> Uncooperative and was arrested for Disorderly Conduct. He should have been. Why? |
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My point is, who was responsible? To me, the Professor could have handled things way differently and it would all be a non issue. I wasn't there, but from the information available to me I emphatically agree with you. But should things be that way? Maybe its better in the long run that he did behave in a way that the police officer CONSIDERED to be belligerent, so that this could become an issue for national debate. And I do mean 'maybe'. Maybe this situation is just confusing any discussion. We have a general history of police abuses against blacks, we have standard police procedures, we have elitist university people, we have 'connections with the president', a respected officer, and the worst is, we only have the personal accounts of the two people involved, which differ. |
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Just because something is in a police report does not aways mean it is the truth...
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