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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post  He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
Read my last post...last sentence... and besides, Mirror...you didn't answer my last question to you. (speeding ticket example) Yes, I know that charges sometimes get dropped out of kindness of the officer or prosecuter but most of the time they get dropped when the arrest was uncalled for
OK...I agree there are always going to be 2 sides to every story! Also, I'm assuming you have never been in law enforcement! Given that the statements above are true, it would be very easy for you to assume the conclusions that you have apparently come to. The arresting officer was/is a "profiler expert", even taught classes on the subject. There was also a black officer with Sgt.James Crowley as well, at the scene. He also says the the arresting officer was well within his rights to arrest the prof! That Gates was way out of line! Why Gates don't just accept the fact that he was in the wrong(by his outburst of anger)and take the idea of "dropped charges" as the end of it. Personally, if it were me that was the arresting officer...I would have never dropped any charges that I deemed were justifiable! I could go on all night with this subject...but I'm not...I've been on both sides of the fence in my life time...and I side with the police in this matter. Besides, if I don't stop now...I don't want to say anything that might be construed as offensive/or argumentative towards a fellow Mingle'r/Minglette! So, lets go have a cold one...and see what is on the news for tomorrow's discussions.  
I hear ya. I think this story is being blown out of proportion.
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Mirror, the Professor did not give his ID at first. It's not like he walked to the officer and handed it to him and explained the situation...he was defensive and verbally aggressive.jmo In his own home. And once the cop seen the professors ID then the situation should have ended and the officer should have left.
Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Crowley asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. |
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adj4u
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
the white guy charged was on the phone there was no possibility of immediate harm the black person was disobeying a law enforcement officer in the carrying out of his duties to protect his home and body the officer was called by the neighbor that said someone is breaking into his house if he had shown his id as is required by law none of this would have taken place the guy on the phone was provoked by the company representative when the company representative called him a profane name the guy on the phone was also three states away The professor did show his ID. And I think saying that your going to kill people and their families and burn down buildings is worse than breaking into your own house.
wrong not until after he was disorderly Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Crowley asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. |
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Mirror, the Professor did not give his ID at first. It's not like he walked to the officer and handed it to him and explained the situation...he was defensive and verbally aggressive.jmo In his own home. And once the cop seen the professors ID then the situation should have ended and the officer should have left.
Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Crowley asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. so? I think most people would be agitated
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Seeing an ID does not prove anything. It must be checked out. The Professor did not cooperate at any stage of the process, in fact, verbally assaulting the officers...there are lines you don't cross. I'm sure the police told him to calm down plenty of times before finally citing him. Now the Professor wants an apology. Paaleeze..he should thank the police for doing a good job..jmo Or was the fact that he is a good friend of the President, motivate his actions?
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assuming (yup there I go) that you have read the same articles that I have, both were in the wrong. However, am I right to assume (yup I did it again) that as Mr. Gates was arrested this arrest will forever stay in his record? and it should why should it not he refused to co-operate with an officer there to protect him and his proberty read my last post He didnt want or need any help protecting his property (from himself?) and no it wont stay on his record. The charges were dropped because they were bogus
and how was the officer supposed to know it was his house if he refused to verify it by showing his id again you need to realize one must prove what they say or what they say is of know value maybe he should get to know his neighbors better so they know not to call the police when he breaks into his own house it is not like he just walked up to the door and walked in he was having issues getting in the home get real with what you expect So,if a white guy threatens to kill telemarketers and burn down their building and gets arrested thats an infringment of his rights, but if an elderly black man gets arrested for being "disorderly" in his own home then thats okay?
the white guy charged was on the phone there was no possibility of immediate harm the black person was disobeying a law enforcement officer in the carrying out of his duties to protect his home and body the officer was called by the neighbor that said someone is breaking into his house if he had shown his id as is required by law none of this would have taken place the guy on the phone was provoked by the company representative when the company representative called him a profane name the guy on the phone was also three states away The professor did show his ID. And I think saying that your going to kill people and their families and burn down buildings is worse than breaking into your own house.
wrong not until after he was disorderly Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Crowley asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. so?
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Mirror, the Professor did not give his ID at first. It's not like he walked to the officer and handed it to him and explained the situation...he was defensive and verbally aggressive.jmo In his own home. And once the cop seen the professors ID then the situation should have ended and the officer should have left.
Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Crowley asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. so? I think most people would be agitated
that does not give them the right to attack an officer doing his job whether physically or verbally he deserves charges |
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I personally think this story is barely newsworthy and is being blown out of proportion. The idiot threatening to kill people and burn down buildings on the phone seems like a bigger story to me
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I personally think this story is barely newsworthy and is being blown out of proportion. The idiot threatening to kill people and burn down buildings on the phone seems like a bigger story to me
they are both being sensationalized and both have had the wrong outcome |
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Mirror, the Professor did not give his ID at first. It's not like he walked to the officer and handed it to him and explained the situation...he was defensive and verbally aggressive.jmo In his own home. And once the cop seen the professors ID then the situation should have ended and the officer should have left.
Police said he flew into a verbal rage after Crowley asked him to show identification to prove he should be in the home. so? I think most people would be agitated
that does not give them the right to attack an officer doing his job whether physically or verbally he deserves charges The accounts of what happened vary. And the charges have already been dropped. No, its not a good idea to piss off a cop I would think you would be concerned about cops protecting peoples property from themselves in their own home
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I personally think this story is barely newsworthy and is being blown out of proportion. The idiot threatening to kill people and burn down buildings on the phone seems like a bigger story to me
they are both being sensationalized and both have had the wrong outcome An elderly scholar breaking into his own house and getting into an arguement with an officer hardly compares to a guy threatening to kill people and their families and burn down buildings
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I personally think this story is barely newsworthy and is being blown out of proportion. The idiot threatening to kill people and burn down buildings on the phone seems like a bigger story to me
Agreed. The news worthy part of it to me were the remarks by the President on a close friend of his. That is why it made the news. Peace and good day. Let's see if the actions here make other people cry wolf as well. Just remember people, the Professor was more white than black by his own admission. That fact seems to always get overlooked. |
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Get the full story, before commenting out of thin air:
Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Police Report http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html |
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Atlantis...good link. Thanks. The details are in the pudding.
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Edited by
adj4u
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Edited by
adj4u
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statement of second officer the previous post is of arresting officers statement |
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notice six lines up from the end of the arresting officers report
gates said door not securable from break in so it is not like there were no break ins going on in the area he had one himself and knew it he should be charged and the charge should have remained |
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notice six lines up from the end of the arresting officers report gates said door not securable from break in so it is not like there were no break ins going on in the area he had one himself and knew it he should be charged and the charge should have remained NOW...maybe this will soak into the heads of the people that still have their heads in the sand!! 
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notice six lines up from the end of the arresting officers report gates said door not securable from break in so it is not like there were no break ins going on in the area he had one himself and knew it he should be charged and the charge should have remained Like I said before I think this is being blown out of proportion. No,I dont think the officer is rascist. I also dont think its a good idea to piss off a cop. The cop did not have to make an arrest. The Professor shown that it was his house, the cop could have just left then. I would think a person trained in profiling would understand that an african american man of a certain age group would feel threatened by a cop in his own house. The officer could have had thicker skin and not let an elderly university professor get to him.The oldman is a prestigious citizen and hardly any sort of threat to anyone. And I feel its all being blown out of proportion.The officer didnt really do anything wrong except overreact slightly by arresting the Professor.It was the right move to drop the charge
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I'm starting to think Gates and President Obama sat next to each other at the good Rev. Wright's sermons. "The Chickens Have Come Home to Roost"...
 sorry, I couldn't resist. Many people forget the past, but I don't.
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