*walks in....looks around....interesting, very
interesting....whistling.....hmmmmm...*

Alex said...

Sun 06/03/07 10:52 AM
"yeah, i don't know".... Zap said been thousands of years...exactly and
now we are intelligent enough to cultivate an internal witness, that
asks questions and looks at motives and chooses rather than runing on an
auto pilot program that is slow, has viruses, is outdated, and is
slowly deteriorating the motherboard....


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From my understanding, OUTSIDE of my isolated sanctuary, and having
spent many years in the inner city areas of all of our cities, (and NOT
in the delectable shiny parts), amongst the homeless, and the mentally
incapacitated, the poor, and the forgotten...

Most of the Western world, the consumer world, the democratic, and
affluent sectors of the world, do live in congested cities.

There is an awareness of this war , and many others appearing to be an
exercise in futility...just the change in tide, of public opinion
exemplifies this.

So there is something stirring, similar to what was occurring during the
years around the Vietnam war...in a different format, in a more hushed,
and quiet rumbling way, but it is still happening.

How to empower the masses again, how to give momentum to the rumblings
of discontent, and to channel them in a positive direction?

How to utilise these moments in history, to shape and effect change at
it's core value system.

We have an opportunity, arise, again, and although there is a dulling of
motivation, of actually getting up and doing something about it...there
has to be a way.

Yes the voting booths, are one way, but who to choose?

Does that not in itself, cause an almost resignation, within the morale
of nations, when the selection for improving these countries we live in,
is so grim?

When the agendas, and the personal motivation, of these candidates, are
their primary motivation, to stand for government?

How to harness this discontent, this sense of hopelessness, and channel,
encourage that word, that emotion hope, into an empowering experience?

There appears to be a disempowerment, amongst many country's population,
a sense of hopelessness, an apathy.

How to turn that around, and find a common goal.

September 11 galvanised a nation, (a unification) and whether that was a
positive, or a negative, as a motivator, and the history books will
show.


How to galvanise these nations again, all of them, those that are a part
of the coalition, and other countries, who watch, from a safe distance,
with out using fear as a motivator?


Can we learn from New Zealand, and Switzerland, and other countries
similar?

Can they be used as a part of the models required to adapt human
behaviours, those countries that just get on with it, and do not pick up
arms at the drop of a hat?

Maybe someday jess, maybe someday.....

Hey you.. I left you a post, from the 'militant
feminist'...

and good evening to you, Steve.

OK, you want to galvanise the people, try drafting their ass.
Right now 1/2 of 1% serving in the armed forces doesnt do it!

I keep hearing this 9/11 deeply affecting this Nation/
False, Give the press and politicians a reason for their agendas, I will
go for that.
I live here, you read it in the news. Jess, Im telling you most
Americans are not afraid of terrorists. Most never skipped a step. It
changed viewing habits on the TV, but only then until American Idol came
on again.
The Press sensationalizes it, better ratings. Politicians sensationalize
it, something to drive their campaigns. The military sensationalizes it,
they get to pratice using their new toys and increase their officer
staff with combat expierience. The rest of the world sensationalizes it,
really dont know why could be several reasons including American
bashing. The average Joe in America views it as a distraction and
nothing else. Most people I know, dont fear terrorism and never have. As
a whole, most (the majority) have never even flown on an airplane. We
are approaching 400 mill in population, 2,000 or so is terrible, but
really, just a smiggen. Sure it pissed a lot of us off, but the average
American was watching it on the TV as if it were a football game. Most
would just as soon as nuked them just for fun.

Terrible, all of this, but when you are the most powerful nation on the
face of the Earth thats what happens. Who is going to attack us? who
can? Who dares? Answer all three questions with nobody and you will be
correct, and please dont say 9/11 was an attack, if it was then we
really dont have anything to fear.(weak)

Fanta, you are personalising my post, taking it onboard...

Stop for a second, and look at the propaganda, of the media, and the
politicians, in many countries, then look at the opinion polls
surrounding that time...and the propaganda attached to those opinion
polls.

I just read in another thread, it would take a "Pearl Harbour"
experience, right before 9/11....


I speak for how it "appears", hoe we are 'fed' it to appear...by whom?

By political machines, with their own agendas?

I do not speak for the masses, the voting masses, other, than the
display of support for this war in Iraq, 6 years ago, after a major
event, in the US...

What will it take for that same reaction?

Without loss of life?

A leader that can put forth an endeavor that will capture the attention
of the whole Nation!!
The space race did that once, and a man named Kennedy!
I think now we need a national effort geared toward alternative fuels.
At present everyone is worried about oil, and they dont mind taking it
by force. Take away that driving force, and motivate Americans with a
National effort to be free of the dependence. Then, I think you will see
a kinder gentler America.
Until that happens, watch out world, because we are going to get what we
need, and we are big enough, and bad enough to take it! What you see now
is nothing, if they draft watch out. Kent State showed that they will
enforce among us (citizens) what they want!!

I wasn't aware this was a bash the US thread....I must have missed
something...

Australia is a part of the coalition...Australian government leaders,
are right there, in the pocket...

I look at how Australian's reacted to the whole period of time
surrounding 9/11, and what the public opinion was here, amongst the
population....

and then look at other countries....including, but not singling out, the
US...


It is how I look at all things...

Personally, then family, then community, then country, then, other
countries, then globally.

It is my nature to expand these ideas, to not sit, insular, but to look
at things, as a part, then a part of the whole...

Who the fukc are "they"? Are you implying the average citizen's opinion
doesn't matter? That the citizens are powerless?
That sounds more like fascism than anything else.

We need a good ole fashion ass whooping!!
but who can give it?
This War, the real war, not the police action since. We took out one of
the 5 largest militaries in the world. We lost 42 dead. Amazing, we
should have just left the next day! **** em!
No, we never should have went, but when we did anyway we should have
just left! Let them worry about the aftermath!
We couldnt do that though, they have the second largest oil reserve in
the World, and we are by far the largest consumer.

Take away our dependence on the Black Gold, and you will see a different
America!!!!
Now if we can just elect a leader with the vision to lead us there.....

No kid at heart, Im implying you cant get three random americans to
agree on anything. Far from facist, I really dont understand wher that
came from.
During the last Presidential campaign, a reporter went to a mall
(mississippi) and randomly stopped people and asked if they could name
the candidates running in the primary. I believe they asked for three.
No one could answer with three names. LMAO (sad)
Most Americans have no idea who is running, and dam sure dont know what
they stand for. Its shameful and when you look around at the politicians
we have, all I can think of to say is we get what we asked for. A True
representation of the people, complacency is very dangerous!!

Sorry Fanta, I wasn't implying that anyone IS a facsist. The
idea that your votes don't matter (if people do vote) and "they" are
going to do what "they" want is what I was reffering to.
It's not much different here in Canada. I hear people whining about
politicians doing this and that. When I ask if they voted and they say
no I ask how they feel they have a right to whine.
I hate to admit it but since I was old enough to vote (which I do), only
three times has the person I voted for been elected municipally,
provicially or federally. Often I find I'm voting for the candidate I
dislike the least not the best leader.
What's even more disturbing is that there seems to be almost no
difference who gets in. "They" do seem to all sound the same and act the
same. Are "they" really the ones in power or are "they" just puppets and
face men.
Please don't get the idea that I'm a conspiracy nut. I just find it
extremely frustrating that there doesn't seem to be any real change when
a different party takes over. Same BS and tow the party line. Blame the
last guy that was in office. blah blah blah
It would be nice to have one person worth voting in to office in my
lifetime! Not the same old song and dance.

We feel that pain here as well. I would for once like to see a true
leader step out of the pack! Unfortunately the political system here
with lobbyist determining who gets the donations wont allow that to
happen.
If we could solve that problem then the professional politician would
disappear, and true Americans would be able to run for office.
Until then the dream that your child could grow up and be president is
dead.
I believe there are a couple of candadates in the race, who could
overcome the two party politics, but they probably wont make it through
the primaries.
Lets face it, You can not get three Americans to agree on anything. We
have an endless supply of blind sheep however! They vote on popularity
and never read past the captions on the pictures. A book, ha, ha,
ha,!!!!

Yah, we have those packs of jackals running around here too.

This countries politics are so screwed up, I think (afraid) Giuliani
could win!! Now that's screwed up!!!!
Hillary, LMAO, what a waste.....
Ron Paul is a decoy, and John Edwards wont make a stand one way or the
other on Immigration. People cant get past the fact that hes wealthy
either. Like they all arent!!!

Im begginning to think Bill Richardson is the best bet, but we will
see.. Can he can the votes??? Everyone talks about a hillary, obama
ticket, Id like to see a Richardson, Edwards ticket....Or Ron Paul run
as an independent!!! Ahh dream on...

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oh Fanta....sometimes ya just take my breath away....!!!

leave me swoonin ! .... the US is like a child that got too much too
soon.

and then grabbed the bleach....well the jury is still out as to how much
damage drinking bleach did ,.... lol


and jess ...bashing and calling a spade a spade are a little different.
i feel that fanta calls a spade a spade. with a few hearts thrown in for
good measure... he checks his sources and has always represented his
point of view with patience.... no one has to agree but one must give
credit for the manner and accuracy of his posts. (unless it's opinion,
then it is subjective)


America never put on any brakes with the industrial revolution..just got
greedier and greedier...manufactured the american dream and proceeded
to market it to an innocent public...who just like the kids eating those
crack laced poprocks...have no idea how damaging it actually is.


well now we know....so now we have to fix it...take away the poprocks
and the extreme overindulgence IN consumer madness and
PUT PROPORTION BACK IN PLACE.

Medical breakthroughs, technical advances, and so on. Yes, it is
unfortunate that the rest of the world has had to suffer as a result.
Enjoy your microwave popcorn while watching a movie on television. Hey!
the phone is ringing! A few of the many benefits the rest of the world
enjoys as a result of those evil American bastards.

What is tv????????

Popcorn????????

And the telephone is a bl***dy nuisance at best.

Okay, so they weren't necessarily good things? lol