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I should have asked from the beginning, Tell me why you don't believe in God? Is that better. No proof just belief. Why don't I believe in God? Because I have yet to see anything in life that indicates he exists. Because all of the reasons people generally give for believing in him, seem much more easily and rationally explained by less mythological, less supernatural processes. Because there is no need for a God. Because I have studied religion for a very long time and have come to perceive it as nothing more than superstition with better PR. As I say, I'm open-mided on this -- I'm perfectly willing to accept a revelation, should God choose to offer me one. But I'm not holding my breath. |
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Oh excelent word and thats exactly wat He wants to do...Reveal himself to you.The problem is He has already and still continues to do just that.Reveal Himself.The problem is He says "this isnt lets make a deal"..He says "This is the deal"..He has revealed himself in His Word.You go there and search..you find..u dont go their..Its on u
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Oh excelent word and thats exactly wat He wants to do...Reveal himself to you.The problem is He has already and still continues to do just that.Reveal Himself.The problem is He says "this isnt lets make a deal"..He says "This is the deal"..He has revealed himself in His Word.You go there and search..you find..u dont go their..Its on u I've read it, cover-to-cover....seven times....sorry, I'm still not convinced. |
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Also.its a funny thing u read aristotle,u read socrates,maybe some Way of the fist..u know,jeet koon do,bruce lee,whatever and wont search the flippn scripture....how can anybody speek on a subject they know nothing about?
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just got out huh?
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sorry a guy once said that to me when I told him I havnt had a beer in a month..It was hilarious..I must have been waiyn for a chance to use it..hahha very funny..tho dont be mad.Just got out.I crack myself up sometimes.........HOWEVER..The bible SAYS.U must come to God in FAITH believing that HE IS....And that He is a rewarder of them that believe.
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Uh oh...where did evrybody go?Talk about God and people run.....they cant hang.
 Umm I never believed till I was 35.I know both sides..I can tell u this..Its better to believe.This is wisdom....I gotta go thanks u guys and good luck with that..lol
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I'm a dyslexic Agnostic.
I don't believe in Dog  
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Prove to me God doesn't exist. prove to me that he does |
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sorry a guy once said that to me when I told him I havnt had a beer in a month..It was hilarious..I must have been waiyn for a chance to use it..hahha very funny..tho dont be mad.Just got out.I crack myself up sometimes.........HOWEVER..The bible SAYS.U must come to God in FAITH believing that HE IS....And that He is a rewarder of them that believe. Which version and written by who would you recommend people start with reading? Also, there are other writings for other religions that claim to be THE word. I always wonder how it is that everyone can claim words written by men to control others are THE words to follow and that everyone who disagrees is wrong. Another question… how can you claim that there is an all-loving God, yet attribute human ego, emotions and faults to him? (I created you… I give you free will… but you will be punished if you don’t follow rules I allow these men to write down for everyone and if you don’t believe in me). |
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HOWEVER..The bible SAYS.U must come to God in FAITH believing that HE IS....And that He is a rewarder of them that believe. So? Why should you believe what the Bible says? The men who wrote that book put all those brainwashing techniques in there precisely to get you to worship their book. They told you that you must beleive in God, and that if you don't believe in God you'll pay a horrible price. What better way to get people to worship your book as the word of God than to threaten nasty things to them if they don't believe and offer them eternal life if they do. Mortal authors would have every motivation to use such lowly tactics to get you to worship their words. An all-wise genuinely loving God would never be such a jerk. The book is clearly the underhanded tatics of controlling mortal men. Men who were quite male chauvinistic and bigoted too boot. 
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Prove there is a god and I will disprove it.
God is a man made concept. How can you tell? Humans are god's favorite creatures in all the universe is the first and most telling tell. The arrogance of man is ultimately evident in the idea that if there were a god man would be his favorite pet project. |
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OK lets not lose focus. I was talking about the God Of Abraham. Abra I have heard this time and time again. You say the stories contradict each other. Show me what you mean. I am someone who can not believe in anything other then God, it's not something I can explain with facts. If I were to try and prove God existed on a scientific lvl I would most likely fail horribly. Abra you said "In fact, I would even hesitate to call such a God as "God". How nasty does a God need to be before he becomes a demon? Being all powerful doesn't automatically make an entity righteous. Leaving people on a planet to have to GUESS whether or not a jealous judgmental God exists would already qualify as a dirty rotten trick as far as I'm concerned." Okay in this faith God makes the rules not us. Also who says we know everything and can understand his will to the point that would allow us to scrutinize his authority? I should have asked from the beginning, Tell me why you don't believe in God? Is that better. No proof just belief. And I am a nice person thank you. If you believe so strongly in 'GOD' then why the question? Should someone actually be able to provide proof... It would destroy your world view... Unless your purpose is to bring others to you same strong belief that you hold... In which case you cannot bring them with this question... The horse will not drink cause it is sated with its own view. |
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I have been down and felt my fingers touch what at the time felt like the edges of hell and only once in my life did I scream from the pit of my stomach in disbelief of God. That day has been many years ago and still bothers me. I am not a bible thumper, I do not remember the last time I went to church. My point is god in my heart is not a guess, the existance is from a faith that has been inside me during wonderful day, and darkest nights that still ahunt me. Faith in God, and my own will to believe is what has kept my sanity and my love for mankind. My hunmaity to desire to reach out and assist one person smile, is my faith in God. I do not guess, I do not have proof, I have faith.
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Edited by
Conservitive_Hippie
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Fri 07/10/09 05:17 AM
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OK lets not lose focus. I was talking about the God Of Abraham. Abra I have heard this time and time again. You say the stories contradict each other. Show me what you mean. I am someone who can not believe in anything other then God, it's not something I can explain with facts. If I were to try and prove God existed on a scientific lvl I would most likely fail horribly. Abra you said "In fact, I would even hesitate to call such a God as "God". How nasty does a God need to be before he becomes a demon? Being all powerful doesn't automatically make an entity righteous. Leaving people on a planet to have to GUESS whether or not a jealous judgmental God exists would already qualify as a dirty rotten trick as far as I'm concerned." Okay in this faith God makes the rules not us. Also who says we know everything and can understand his will to the point that would allow us to scrutinize his authority? I should have asked from the beginning, Tell me why you don't believe in God? Is that better. No proof just belief. And I am a nice person thank you. If you believe so strongly in 'GOD' then why the question? Should someone actually be able to provide proof... It would destroy your world view... Unless your purpose is to bring others to you same strong belief that you hold... In which case you cannot bring them with this question... The horse will not drink cause it is sated with its own view. As a believer I naturally want others to see my point of view. I don't think anyone can provide proof on this issue not with science anyway. Science is just the observance of laws of the physical realm. He exists outside of this realm where the laws don't have to apply so how could the science of this reality prove the existence of a spiritual being. And I know I can not lead everyone to Christ. It is a Christians duty to spread the word and while I do that I want to know why someone would choose not to believe. That's what I am attempting to find out by asking that question. So? Why should you believe what the Bible says? The men who wrote that book put all those brainwashing techniques in there precisely to get you to worship their book. They told you that you must beleive in God, and that if you don't believe in God you'll pay a horrible price. What better way to get people to worship your book as the word of God than to threaten nasty things to them if they don't believe and offer them eternal life if they do. Mortal authors would have every motivation to use such lowly tactics to get you to worship their words. An all-wise genuinely loving God would never be such a jerk. The book is clearly the underhanded tatics of controlling mortal men. Men who were quite male chauvinistic and bigoted too boot. So your issue is the credibility of the book and the men who wrote it? Also Lets say God has been proven and the way you described him is accurate, which it's not, lets say all this occurs and your staring him in the face and he tells you that the bible is true and it's choose me or perish in fire. Would things change? Would you serve him or take a dive into hell? The only proof I can possibly provide is right in front of us. Life is proof. I was no monkey thank you very much. Darwinism is still just a theory. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Fri 07/10/09 05:37 AM
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So your issue is the credibility of the book and the men who wrote it? Also Lets say God has been proven and the way you described him is accurate, which it's not, lets say all this occurs and your staring him in the face and he tells you that the bible is true and it's choose me or perish in fire. Would things change? Would you serve him or take a dive into hell? The only proof I can possibly provide is right in front of us. Life is proof. I was no monkey thank you very much. Darwinism is still just a theory. If god wanted to convince intelligent people he better find a better way then a 2000 year old book that contradicts itself often. Epicurus said it best with his logical problem of evil, often Christians try to pull the moral card, but make no actual logic argument that is not based on a false premise. One example among many of a formulation of the problem of evil is presented by Epicurus and may be schematized as follows: 1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world. 2. There is evil in the world. 3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist. This argument is of the logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world". Another version: 1. God exists 2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good 3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils. 4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence. 5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence. 6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil. 7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists. 8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).[2] |
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So your issue is the credibility of the book and the men who wrote it? Also Lets say God has been proven and the way you described him is accurate, which it's not, lets say all this occurs and your staring him in the face and he tells you that the bible is true and it's choose me or perish in fire. Would things change? Would you serve him or take a dive into hell? The only proof I can possibly provide is right in front of us. Life is proof. I was no monkey thank you very much. Darwinism is still just a theory. Epicurus said it best with his logical problem of evil, often Christians try to pull the moral card, but make no actual logic argument that is not based on a false premise. One example among many of a formulation of the problem of evil is presented by Epicurus and may be schematized as follows: 1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world. 2. There is evil in the world. 3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist. This argument is of the logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world". Another version: 1. God exists 2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good 3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils. 4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence. 5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence. 6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil. 7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists. 8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).[2] Then there would be no choice. God wants us to choose him over ourselves. Evil entered the world when Lucifer decided he was better then God. When he was cast out he became the other choice. Evil was essentially realized at this time. God made man to replace Lucifer and the angels he took with him. God wants us to choose him over all else but he will not make us. The evil in the world is created by man. And we are tempted and deceived into being this way by Lucifer who wants us to fall away from God. |
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So your issue is the credibility of the book and the men who wrote it? Also Lets say God has been proven and the way you described him is accurate, which it's not, lets say all this occurs and your staring him in the face and he tells you that the bible is true and it's choose me or perish in fire. Would things change? Would you serve him or take a dive into hell? The only proof I can possibly provide is right in front of us. Life is proof. I was no monkey thank you very much. Darwinism is still just a theory. Epicurus said it best with his logical problem of evil, often Christians try to pull the moral card, but make no actual logic argument that is not based on a false premise. One example among many of a formulation of the problem of evil is presented by Epicurus and may be schematized as follows: 1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world. 2. There is evil in the world. 3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist. This argument is of the logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world". Another version: 1. God exists 2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good 3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils. 4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence. 5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence. 6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil. 7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists. 8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).[2] Then there would be no choice. God wants us to choose him over ourselves. Evil entered the world when Lucifer decided he was better then God. When he was cast out he became the other choice. Evil was essentially realized at this time. God made man to replace Lucifer and the angels he took with him. God wants us to choose him over all else but he will not make us. The evil in the world is created by man. And we are tempted and deceived into being this way by Lucifer who wants us to fall away from God. Look at what you wrote, walk back through the logical argument and try to deduce where what you wrote goes wrong. If you can I will send you a check for 25$. I have no fear of loosing my money. |
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Edited by
Conservitive_Hippie
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Fri 07/10/09 06:30 AM
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So your issue is the credibility of the book and the men who wrote it? Also Lets say God has been proven and the way you described him is accurate, which it's not, lets say all this occurs and your staring him in the face and he tells you that the bible is true and it's choose me or perish in fire. Would things change? Would you serve him or take a dive into hell? The only proof I can possibly provide is right in front of us. Life is proof. I was no monkey thank you very much. Darwinism is still just a theory. If god wanted to convince intelligent people he better find a better way then a 2000 year old book that contradicts itself often. Epicurus said it best with his logical problem of evil, often Christians try to pull the moral card, but make no actual logic argument that is not based on a false premise. One example among many of a formulation of the problem of evil is presented by Epicurus and may be schematized as follows: 1. If a perfectly good god exists, then there is no evil in the world. 2. There is evil in the world. 3. Therefore, a perfectly good god does not exist. This argument is of the logically valid form modus tollens (denying the consequent). In this case, P is "God exists" and Q is "there is no evil in the world". Another version: 1. God exists 2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good 3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils. 4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence. 5. An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence. 6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil. 7. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists. 8. Evil exists (logical contradiction).[2] Who says Epicurus is right and who's definition of good are we using. As I said before. What God mandates is truth. Who are we to come up with our own understanding of truth over his. I say again,God gave us free will. And we created evil ourselves by letting the Devil deceive us. That is why there is evil in the world and this is also why it will remain here. If we do not call on god to rid the evil from our lives then it will remain there. To say that if evil exist then there is no God is foolish. Evil exists cause there is a God to disobey. |
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