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I can't imagine what my dad would think if he read this thread. since I'm the spitting image of him....I can assume he would be very sad that he apparently served and died for nothing
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Thomas3474....did you stop to think that maybe they aren't attracted to everyone???? maybe it's not the gays that are the problem...but the homophobes that stereotype No rose it's the idea that you are stuck on a command for 4-6 years with people you spend more time with then your own families.All this liberal non sense that somehow we have to accept everyone and their lifestyle and like it is nothing but a pile of BS.Birds of a feather flock together and the military has never been a gay friendly origination.The military has a good image of rough,tough,brave,and second to none.I don't think anyone wants to see that image brought down by a bunch of homo's who want gay pride parades on bases,drag queen nights at the NCO club,and all the other problems they complain about.They don't belong. Man you are one insecure puppy, Thomas. You don't have one clue what your talking about. Check out your own pic on this site buddy, you look more gay than some of the gay men I know, and they aren't as insecure as you are. You admitted you are afraid someone will think your gay!! Typical. What does'nt belong is extreme ignorance, and your comments qualify in spades. Rough tough and brave? so only straight men are rough tough and brave? That makes no sense at all considering gays have served in the military for years including in the wars that Cabot mentioned. Come visit me some time, Thomas, I'm gay and a woman, let's see how your comments work to my face. Wow Boo, way to get off topic. Have you been in the military? Or is it just the Gay issue. C'mon people, military people are telling you the "don't ask, don't tell" policy works. Do you really want to change that now? in the current situation with Muslims, that have ZERO tolerance for gays. Thomas has said his piece and so have I, and have been ridiculed by people for it. Whatever, Go see your recruiter tomorrow and shut up. I served 8 years and will not shut up. I have earned the right to speak, so have others. Happy ****ing Fourth of July. You can't have your way yet. Deal with it. Go to Camp Pendalton and say what you are saying here Boo. I dare you. Cabot from one Veteran to another I salute you!!!! 
I am also done debating people who wouldn't give one hour serving the in military let alone 8 years and have no idea what they are talking about.  Thank you Thomas3474 & Cabot for your service for our country and our freedom
I respect what our service men and woman have to say, their feelings, and their experiences... 
Would that by chance include the gay men and women that have done the same, or what? Yes, it does boo.
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Thomas3474....did you stop to think that maybe they aren't attracted to everyone???? maybe it's not the gays that are the problem...but the homophobes that stereotype They are NOT attracted to everyone. It's like me liking men. I don't walk down the street wanting every man that I see. Good grief.  that was my point dork
I was agreeing with you, dork.
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Thomas3474....did you stop to think that maybe they aren't attracted to everyone???? maybe it's not the gays that are the problem...but the homophobes that stereotype No rose it's the idea that you are stuck on a command for 4-6 years with people you spend more time with then your own families.All this liberal non sense that somehow we have to accept everyone and their lifestyle and like it is nothing but a pile of BS.Birds of a feather flock together and the military has never been a gay friendly origination.The military has a good image of rough,tough,brave,and second to none.I don't think anyone wants to see that image brought down by a bunch of homo's who want gay pride parades on bases,drag queen nights at the NCO club,and all the other problems they complain about.They don't belong. Man you are one insecure puppy, Thomas. You don't have one clue what your talking about. Check out your own pic on this site buddy, you look more gay than some of the gay men I know, and they aren't as insecure as you are. You admitted you are afraid someone will think your gay!! Typical. What does'nt belong is extreme ignorance, and your comments qualify in spades. Rough tough and brave? so only straight men are rough tough and brave? That makes no sense at all considering gays have served in the military for years including in the wars that Cabot mentioned. Come visit me some time, Thomas, I'm gay and a woman, let's see how your comments work to my face. Wow Boo, way to get off topic. Have you been in the military? Or is it just the Gay issue. C'mon people, military people are telling you the "don't ask, don't tell" policy works. Do you really want to change that now? in the current situation with Muslims, that have ZERO tolerance for gays. Thomas has said his piece and so have I, and have been ridiculed by people for it. Whatever, Go see your recruiter tomorrow and shut up. I served 8 years and will not shut up. I have earned the right to speak, so have others. Happy ****ing Fourth of July. You can't have your way yet. Deal with it. Go to Camp Pendalton and say what you are saying here Boo. I dare you. Cabot from one Veteran to another I salute you!!!!
I am also done debating people who wouldn't give one hour serving the in military let alone 8 years and have no idea what they are talking about. Thank you Thomas3474 & Cabot for your service for our country and our freedom
I respect what our service men and woman have to say, their feelings, and their experiences...
Would that by chance include the gay men and women that have done the same, or what? Yes, it does boo.
Great. Thanks Laura. 
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Thomas3474....did you stop to think that maybe they aren't attracted to everyone???? maybe it's not the gays that are the problem...but the homophobes that stereotype They are NOT attracted to everyone. It's like me liking men. I don't walk down the street wanting every man that I see. Good grief. that was my point dork
I was agreeing with you, dork.
gays can control themselves with sexual activity just as well as men....ok, maybe that's not a good analogy
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Thomas3474....did you stop to think that maybe they aren't attracted to everyone???? maybe it's not the gays that are the problem...but the homophobes that stereotype No rose it's the idea that you are stuck on a command for 4-6 years with people you spend more time with then your own families.All this liberal non sense that somehow we have to accept everyone and their lifestyle and like it is nothing but a pile of BS.Birds of a feather flock together and the military has never been a gay friendly origination.The military has a good image of rough,tough,brave,and second to none.I don't think anyone wants to see that image brought down by a bunch of homo's who want gay pride parades on bases,drag queen nights at the NCO club,and all the other problems they complain about.They don't belong. Man you are one insecure puppy, Thomas. You don't have one clue what your talking about. Check out your own pic on this site buddy, you look more gay than some of the gay men I know, and they aren't as insecure as you are. You admitted you are afraid someone will think your gay!! Typical. What does'nt belong is extreme ignorance, and your comments qualify in spades. Rough tough and brave? so only straight men are rough tough and brave? That makes no sense at all considering gays have served in the military for years including in the wars that Cabot mentioned. Come visit me some time, Thomas, I'm gay and a woman, let's see how your comments work to my face. Wow Boo, way to get off topic. Have you been in the military? Or is it just the Gay issue. C'mon people, military people are telling you the "don't ask, don't tell" policy works. Do you really want to change that now? in the current situation with Muslims, that have ZERO tolerance for gays. Thomas has said his piece and so have I, and have been ridiculed by people for it. Whatever, Go see your recruiter tomorrow and shut up. I served 8 years and will not shut up. I have earned the right to speak, so have others. Happy ****ing Fourth of July. You can't have your way yet. Deal with it. Go to Camp Pendalton and say what you are saying here Boo. I dare you. Cabot from one Veteran to another I salute you!!!!
I am also done debating people who wouldn't give one hour serving the in military let alone 8 years and have no idea what they are talking about. Thank you Thomas3474 & Cabot for your service for our country and our freedom
I respect what our service men and woman have to say, their feelings, and their experiences...
Thanks Laura, now duck. Shrapnel is heading your way. Sticking up for straight guys in the military can get you fragged here. I thought this was a serious site, with open discussion. However I see it is a my way or the highway site. I said the current poilicy is fine. However to some it is not. I have not seen one post saying me or Thomas are even remotely right, just a couple of bigots who happened to serve, by a bunch of people who know people who have served. It has gotten to be funny. Thanks for the laughs to all the "all knowing" veterans here on Mingle. Geeze. |
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Thanks Laura, now duck. Sharpnel is heading your way. Sticking up for straight guys in the military can get you fragged here. I thought this was a serious site, with open discussion. However I see it is a my way or the highway site. I said the current poilicy is fine. However to some it is not. I have not seen one post saying me or Thomas are even remotely right, just a couple of bigots who happened to serve, by a bunch of people who know people who have served. It has gotten to be funny. Thanks for the laughs to all the "all knowing" veterans here on Mingle. Geeze. she said that was for gays serving as well seriously?? you think it's funny???? don't disrespect my dad's death that way. why did you serve??? was it not because you loved this country and fought for freedom???? if so...then you should be more understanding |
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No, it's not a my way or the highway site. We are agreeing to disagree here. There's a difference. We discussing our difference of opinions.
We have people on here from all walks of life and from different parts of the world. I find it interesting to see the different perspectives. |
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My ex was in the Army. He was also in the Army National Guard for almost 20 years. He told me that there were gays there. He had no problem with them. |
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Thanks Laura, now duck. Sharpnel is heading your way. Sticking up for straight guys in the military can get you fragged here. I thought this was a serious site, with open discussion. However I see it is a my way or the highway site. I said the current poilicy is fine. However to some it is not. I have not seen one post saying me or Thomas are even remotely right, just a couple of bigots who happened to serve, by a bunch of people who know people who have served. It has gotten to be funny. Thanks for the laughs to all the "all knowing" veterans here on Mingle. Geeze. she said that was for gays serving as well seriously?? you think it's funny???? don't disrespect my dad's death that way. why did you serve??? was it not because you loved this country and fought for freedom???? if so...then you should be more understanding I served because I love my country and thought it was an honorable thing to do Yellow. I did not disrepect your dad, directly or indirectly. I salute him. Peace and happy 4th of July. My final tribute goes out to all the soldiers that have served, gay and straight. I thought the original discussion was on the Policy of "don't ask , don't tell" and my comments were based on that. |
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Thomas3474....did you stop to think that maybe they aren't attracted to everyone???? maybe it's not the gays that are the problem...but the homophobes that stereotype No rose it's the idea that you are stuck on a command for 4-6 years with people you spend more time with then your own families.All this liberal non sense that somehow we have to accept everyone and their lifestyle and like it is nothing but a pile of BS.Birds of a feather flock together and the military has never been a gay friendly origination.The military has a good image of rough,tough,brave,and second to none.I don't think anyone wants to see that image brought down by a bunch of homo's who want gay pride parades on bases,drag queen nights at the NCO club,and all the other problems they complain about.They don't belong. Man you are one insecure puppy, Thomas. You don't have one clue what your talking about. Check out your own pic on this site buddy, you look more gay than some of the gay men I know, and they aren't as insecure as you are. You admitted you are afraid someone will think your gay!! Typical. What does'nt belong is extreme ignorance, and your comments qualify in spades. Rough tough and brave? so only straight men are rough tough and brave? That makes no sense at all considering gays have served in the military for years including in the wars that Cabot mentioned. Come visit me some time, Thomas, I'm gay and a woman, let's see how your comments work to my face. Wow Boo, way to get off topic. Have you been in the military? Or is it just the Gay issue. C'mon people, military people are telling you the "don't ask, don't tell" policy works. Do you really want to change that now? in the current situation with Muslims, that have ZERO tolerance for gays. Thomas has said his piece and so have I, and have been ridiculed by people for it. Whatever, Go see your recruiter tomorrow and shut up. I served 8 years and will not shut up. I have earned the right to speak, so have others. Happy ****ing Fourth of July. You can't have your way yet. Deal with it. Go to Camp Pendalton and say what you are saying here Boo. I dare you. Cabot from one Veteran to another I salute you!!!!
I am also done debating people who wouldn't give one hour serving the in military let alone 8 years and have no idea what they are talking about. Thank you Thomas3474 & Cabot for your service for our country and our freedom
I respect what our service men and woman have to say, their feelings, and their experiences...
Thanks Laura, now duck. Shrapnel is heading your way. Sticking up for straight guys in the military can get you fragged here. I thought this was a serious site, with open discussion. However I see it is a my way or the highway site. I said the current poilicy is fine. However to some it is not. I have not seen one post saying me or Thomas are even remotely right, just a couple of bigots who happened to serve, by a bunch of people who know people who have served. It has gotten to be funny. Thanks for the laughs to all the "all knowing" veterans here on Mingle. Geeze. Open intelligent discussion yes, but lame excuses why you could not be in a fox hole with a gay isn't much of a debate. Geezuz what did you expect. You thinkg a bunch of straight vets are going to rush in here and defend gays when you put your remarks out there? You don't even recognize your bigotry or ignorance. And since Laura included those gay and woman that have served and still are, there is no reason for the shrapnel nonsense. Sticking up for straight guys. Geezuz you poor victims of reality. Suprised you could handle the rigors of combat when you can't handle a gay or a woman in combat. |
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Thanks Laura, now duck. Sharpnel is heading your way. Sticking up for straight guys in the military can get you fragged here. I thought this was a serious site, with open discussion. However I see it is a my way or the highway site. I said the current poilicy is fine. However to some it is not. I have not seen one post saying me or Thomas are even remotely right, just a couple of bigots who happened to serve, by a bunch of people who know people who have served. It has gotten to be funny. Thanks for the laughs to all the "all knowing" veterans here on Mingle. Geeze. she said that was for gays serving as well seriously?? you think it's funny???? don't disrespect my dad's death that way. why did you serve??? was it not because you loved this country and fought for freedom???? if so...then you should be more understanding I served because I love my country and thought it was an honorable thing to do Yellow. I did not disrepect your dad, directly or indirectly. I salute him. Peace and happy 4th of July. My final tribute goes out to all the soldiers that have served, gay and straight. I thought the original discussion was on the Policy of "don't ask , don't tell" and my comments were based on that. Oh ya, pay tribute to all that served gay and straight. Why the heck didn't you just say that in the first place. I'm supposed to feel for you now after your comments about not wanting one next to you in a fox hole, gay or a woman? You tribute doesn't mean much after that. |
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Thanks Laura, now duck. Sharpnel is heading your way. Sticking up for straight guys in the military can get you fragged here. I thought this was a serious site, with open discussion. However I see it is a my way or the highway site. I said the current poilicy is fine. However to some it is not. I have not seen one post saying me or Thomas are even remotely right, just a couple of bigots who happened to serve, by a bunch of people who know people who have served. It has gotten to be funny. Thanks for the laughs to all the "all knowing" veterans here on Mingle. Geeze. she said that was for gays serving as well seriously?? you think it's funny???? don't disrespect my dad's death that way. why did you serve??? was it not because you loved this country and fought for freedom???? if so...then you should be more understanding I served because I love my country and thought it was an honorable thing to do Yellow. I did not disrepect your dad, directly or indirectly. I salute him. Peace and happy 4th of July. My final tribute goes out to all the soldiers that have served, gay and straight. I thought the original discussion was on the Policy of "don't ask , don't tell" and my comments were based on that. if you loved the country and value the freedoms, then this shouldn't be an issue for you. just because you might not agree with it...doesn't mean they can't do the job. if you read the OP...then you would know that they are rethinking this whole thing...so those that disagree with gays in the military...might becoming the minority being gay isn't illegal. people may or may not agree with it...but it is part of their freedoms in this country...just as we are free to belief in whatever religion we want. no one should be excluded from serving their country as long as they can do their jobs. this is a discussion about it...and in a debate...you will get opposite points of view as well. just because someone has served doesn't make them right. my grandfathers served, their fathers before them...my uncles and my dad. my son is going to be a cop because he believes in protecting and serving. so just because I never seerved...doesn't make my opinion any less. I used to think I knew what a soldier stood for...but I'm rethinking that now |
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Thanks Laura, now duck. Sharpnel is heading your way. Sticking up for straight guys in the military can get you fragged here. I thought this was a serious site, with open discussion. However I see it is a my way or the highway site. I said the current poilicy is fine. However to some it is not. I have not seen one post saying me or Thomas are even remotely right, just a couple of bigots who happened to serve, by a bunch of people who know people who have served. It has gotten to be funny. Thanks for the laughs to all the "all knowing" veterans here on Mingle. Geeze. she said that was for gays serving as well seriously?? you think it's funny???? don't disrespect my dad's death that way. why did you serve??? was it not because you loved this country and fought for freedom???? if so...then you should be more understanding I served because I love my country and thought it was an honorable thing to do Yellow. I did not disrepect your dad, directly or indirectly. I salute him. Peace and happy 4th of July. My final tribute goes out to all the soldiers that have served, gay and straight. I thought the original discussion was on the Policy of "don't ask , don't tell" and my comments were based on that. if you loved the country and value the freedoms, then this shouldn't be an issue for you. just because you might not agree with it...doesn't mean they can't do the job. if you read the OP...then you would know that they are rethinking this whole thing...so those that disagree with gays in the military...might becoming the minority being gay isn't illegal. people may or may not agree with it...but it is part of their freedoms in this country...just as we are free to belief in whatever religion we want. no one should be excluded from serving their country as long as they can do their jobs. this is a discussion about it...and in a debate...you will get opposite points of view as well. just because someone has served doesn't make them right. my grandfathers served, their fathers before them...my uncles and my dad. my son is going to be a cop because he believes in protecting and serving. so just because I never seerved...doesn't make my opinion any less. I used to think I knew what a soldier stood for...but I'm rethinking that now There are many soldiers who believe in the kind of freedom to serve. But as in all walks of life there are those who refuse to move forward and cannot accept those who believe different. Don't be too discouraged by a few stragglers. |
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Kings, Generals,Emperors,Intellectuals, political leaders,Prince's, tzars,There was a cult of male love [man-older youth] in premodern Japan, especially among the samurai classes. This means that virtually all pre-modern Japanese men of a certain class may be assumed to have been "queer" in modern terms.
Presidents? Marquis de Sade 1740-1814, Napolean?,T.E. Lawrence (of Arabia) 1888-1935 ,King Richard the lionhearted, I have hundreds of em. Gay doesn't mean weak. Gay doesn't mean scared. Gay doesn't mean anything..Being human, with a heart and blood running through your veins...means everything. Kat |
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as i remember in the army. there were plenty of gays, never bother me. it bother a lot of he man. but to me it has never bother me. what you do when you go home is really something i could care less about.
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As a vet I am perplexed over this. Personally I do not want to be in a foxhole with a gay male. Not homophobic, just want to be sure he wants to get home alive to see his girl as much as I wanted to live to see mine. Instead of, why worry about that when I have a lover right here. Sounds twisted, don't bash me, but I did it and those were my thoughts at the time. What are my teammates (someone who I am putting my life in their hands as I cat nap at 3 am) Is he looking at me or looking for the enemy. I know it does not make sense to many, but I would not want to be in a foxhole with a female either. I see that you have trust issues with gays and females from what you wrote here. It is your personal issue that should not be projected to effect others. There is the same amount of trustworthyness in all humans regardless to gender or sexual orientation. In other words you are at the same risk regardless. |
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when bullets were flying. i never through. i wonder if the guy in the fox hole was gay. was just happy to have him fighting with me.
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Obviously the people who are against the don't ask don't tell policy have never been in the military.If you live on the base in the barracks you do not have the option to choose your roomates.When I lived in Norfolk I had two roommates in a small room that were assigned to me that I had never met.In the couple of years I was there I had no less than 20 different roommates over that time.Many of them were people I would rather not be around for various reasons.The last person in the world I would want as a roommate is a gay man.I would not want to come into the room and have to endure gay porn on the TV,nor would I want to have to see gay magazines and books laying around.Rumors would start I was also gay since I had a gay roommate and the military must have put us together for a reason.This would cause alot of discomfort and stress among my friends and co workers. If you have been in the military you know sleeping around with other people(especially in your own command)is rampant.There is alot of flirting,rule breaking,and messing around when there is men and women assigned to the same command.It is not uncommon to hear stories of who is sleeping with who on a daily basis.I had alot of women on my command and I spent alot of time with those women working and then standing a 4 hour watch with them.Needless to say flirting,sexual talk,and many other things was not uncommon.Working with gay men and having to endure their flirting or sexual stories is not something I would want to experience and would not want to hear. If you have ever been aboard a Navy ship or a submarine you know things are very cramped and privacy is very limited.It is not uncommon for ships or submarines to have more people then beds are available and therefore you have people sleeping in torpedo tubes,on the floor,or anywhere where it is quiet.If you do not want to sleep in places other than the racks then you may have to "hot rack" with a total stranger.The term "hot rack" refers to a person waking up from sleep and leaving his bunk and then another person immediately taking over his bed still warm.This could go on for months if space is not avalible.Needless to say I don't think people would want to hot rack with a gay man. Other things that do not go well in the military. Calling the enemy a "silly goose" and saying you will "slap him silly". Rainbow flags on tanks and uniforms. Not being able to march because your anus hurts from last night. Shopping for clothes in the women's section at the exchange. Going to a party and wanting to watch movies like Maid in manhattan,Milk,and The notebook instead of First blood,Evil dead,and the Deer hunter. Sorry to say this, but...you piss me off just alittle. Your view of gays is so slighted. Your own fears worry me. Gay men have more respect than you at this point. They would not be playing it like you say. They would most likely want to stay in an even more cool position to keep their jobs. I guarandamn tee you...there were gays in the navy as well. I have navy members in my family. I have heard them talk of it. Knowing, but not talking about it. Get over yourself man.....you worry too much. As for not being in the military..I have not...but many family members have been and are. I feel it is a problem with some men for reasons other than being afraid of being liked by a man. Comfort in ones own sexuality would give no mind to a gay man, in my opinion. Not saying that a straight man with a problem with gays is gay himself...just not comfortable in his own skin. Silly goose? Now that sounds like my mother. I never hear a gay man say he will slap someone. Kat Thats right you have never been in the military and have no idea what you are talking about.Active people in the military don't want them there.That's why there is never any support from anyone other than the gays in the military.When I was working for the Army we would talk about gays in the military and they were so strongly opposed to them they would rather fight alone than have them as a back up.Say what you want but you try having a gay pride parade on a military base you will probably end up shot,beaten,or thrown in jail. Beaten up? By men like you maybe. Not by open minded fair people. People who don't live in fear of a make believe shadow. I may not have been in the military, but my dad retired military. My grandpa, All my uncles,an aunt,a brother,sons,a sister almost retired. Quit spouting off what you feel and stop trying to say it is what all military feels. Yes, you said "all" in an earlier post. You have such a slender view of the world, its people and the rights of all, that it minimizes you. To say gay is next to cowardace is an insult. You obviously don't know any gay men or lesbians for that matter. How do you think that you would be so sexually attractive to gay men? Do you honestly believe that they are so busy looking at your butt? More like your mouth lol. I know many many strong gay men. They would kick the butts of a lot of straight men. Strong, muscular,manly gay men. The stereotypical gay man is a small majority of what gay is or seems to be. Mostly in the movie era is where they act prissy and sweet. Good luck with that dear. You are not seeing the real picture. Kat |
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very well said supermike
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