So why aren't the captured prisoners from Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan aren't prosecuted wherever they are captured, instead of bringing them to Gitmo?

that's the point of all the controversy isn't it? what to do with em

they are either criminals or they are POW's. Bush chose to treat them as neither, terming them "enemy combatants" to skirt the Geneva Convention

Obama ran on the premise of treating them as criminals to be prosecuted but it looks like now that he has the President's viewpoint on it that he is backtracking on that. Last I read he was considering moving them to Bagram

"So why aren't the captured prisoners from Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan aren't prosecuted wherever they are captured, instead of bringing them to Gitmo?"

I think that is a question for the Bush administration, the CIA, congress and the foreign governments who conceived of and implemented this program.

Another reason why a truth commission might be helpful right? Some of the answers might help us sort out what comes next and might also ensure this doesn't happen again.

Most of those captured in theater are imprisoned, in theater, Thousands of the are in Iraqi/US and Afghan/US facilities. Those that we deemed as higher value for intel, or those abducted in other countries like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed also were either reditiond or brought to Gitmo.

Once again, there is no legally justifiable excuse but a pragmatic one for Gitmo. Much as Colin Powell pointed out the Pottery Barn Rule of us owning that which we broke, we have a tiger by the tail and own the detainees.

Other then a handful like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed , we would be better served to drop their butts in Afhanastad and shoot them as they leave the airfield or put up with the fact that we delivered a few foot soldiers. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed we try as war criminals and or murderers and locke them in a Super Max. Better a handfull then a couple hundred meaningless foot soldiers.

Were those pilots that have accomplished the crime and escaped to the desert?

What's the crime of the people we're hunting?

And, I suppose you do approve Afghan military doing strikes on our land, in case they decide to define few of our folks as attackers in the same sense?

you suppose a lot based on amazingly small input

I was trying to save us some turns. If you do not, then there is a problem in your rationale, wouldn't you say?

I don't have a rationale

I've only stated events as they happened and some of the players reasoning behind what they have done. I don't have an agenda and don't view anything in terms of partisan politics. I only observe what is happening and comment on it

Prisoners Of War In The United States During World War II

Immediately after the outbreak of World War II the United States planned for the internment of enemy alien civilians. As early as December 9, 1941, preparations were started for the construction of a permanent alien enemy camp on the Florence Military Reservation in Arizona. While work was proceeding on this camp, ten emergency camps were established on Army posts strategically located on each coast and land frontier of the United States. In January, 1942, two additional three thousand-man camps were authorized. In an effort to move many of the alien enemy civilians from California, the Provost Marshal General and the Quartermaster General selected sites for additional camps in the Southwest, authorized the construction of nine other permanent alien camps, and planned for fourteen more alien camps.[1]

By December, 1942, there were only about four thousand enemy aliens interned in the United States instead of the March prediction of one hundred thousand. As a result of this miscalculation numerous camps under construction were later converted to prisoner-of-war camps.[2]

Early in 1942, the War Department directed the transfer of all captured enemy personnel to the United States in an effort to relieve overseas forces from the problems of guarding, feeding, and housing prisoners of war. However, very few prisoners were captured by United States forces in 1942, and by December 31 of that year only 1,881 prisoners had been interned in the United States.[3]

In August, 1942, Great Britain proposed the transfer of one hundred and fifty thousand British-captured prisoners of war to the United States. At that time Great Britain held twenty-three thousand German and two hundred and fifty thousand Italian prisoners and believed that wholesale captures would strain facilities in their country; therefore, Britain suggested that the United States intern fifty thousand of these prisoners on one month’s notice and the other one hundred thousand on three months’ notice. The United States Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Joint Staff Planners agreed to accept the one hundred and fifty thousand prisoners of war with the understanding that the War Department would be given one month’s notice before the acceptance of the first shipment of fifty thousand and one month’s notice for each consignment thereafter.[4]

This decision to accept prisoners of war in the continental United States changed the activity of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from enemy alien civilians to the internment of prisoners of war. Plans were thus initiated for the necessary construction of prisoner-of-war camps.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txrober2/TissingI.htm

That's good enough for me. I am far from being "partisan" myself.

Well then, you did not state any events, by playfully implying that someone did attack us, of those people that we are kidnapping. An opinion, yours, was that (I am guessing) by hating us in the Afghanistan mountains they have attacked us.

And therefore, us interfering with a sovereign nation militarily, without declaration of war, was a justified response. Correct?

Al Queda attacked us.

In response we demanded from the Taliban (who were governing Afghanistan at the time) that they turn over Osam Bin Laden or forfeit their right to govern.

When they refused was when we attacked them

Humm Nogames has asked a proper question.

I await responses to his last...

Okay so not really waiting. I think I will go have a shower.

quoting myself to reiterate that yes this IS what America does

Yes...this is what America does...but...we have, or some of us have including our founders, aspired to a higher standard.

What some would do now is abandon that standard and act in ways that make us indistinguishable from those we vilify.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

Yeah, I can answer.

I got 2 versions. One of them is the neocon response, the other is the one called logical response.


Neocon response:

1. No, but they are terrorists, who know stuff about Al-Queada and "terror groups" and bosses, who train in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan to strike us again, because they hate our freedom.

2. They are suspect of terrorism and connected to terrorist groups called Al-Quada.


3. No, because we are freedom loving people living in Democracy and can't do bad.

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Logical version

1. No, the pilots were Saudis and Egyptians although they were connected by communications and ideology and a plan. The pilots are supposed to be dead after burning to nothing from the collision with the pentagon and the WTC , but I heard rumors how they actually found some of those who were claimed as the pilots well and alive, living in Egypt as a taxi driver and other places. Again, that's the rumor. All I know is, some people died in 9/11 who were piloting those planes. Who were they and who were they working for, still shrouded in mistery, if you ask me.

2. They are "suspects" and being connected to various groups called "Al-Quada" (it means :"database" in arabic), basically a list of people whose ID are in the CIA database as "suspects of terrorism against United States.

3. There is no real government in Afghanistan, only a puppet regime installed by USA. Before USA, it was a radical Islamic group's "warbands and chieftains" control, funded by USA couple of decades ago against the Soviets. It's a no man's land with goat herders and people living in poverty. Can't really talk about an independent Afghanistan as a "country", it's more like a place where empires go to loose wars, with the claim to find the boogey man, but let's not forget about the economic and military strategic importance, regarding oil pipelines in the ME as well as military strategic location against mostly Russia and Iran.
Almost forgot to mention, being the largest opium producer place (Afghanistan) of the world.
Oh what was the question again? Yeah, if we would bomb them and they come to capture various people who know stuff about the government? In a sense it does make sense, for them to have the right, the only thing stopping it is, that they aren't a superpower.

Well then, that pretty much gives them (the bearded guys in Afghanistan mountains) to kidnap anyone here.

As far as they are concerned, we have attacked them. All they need to do is to demand from our government to turn over Cheney, and if we don't, then they can proceed kidnapping us and doing whatever they think "non-afghani" deserve.

In fact, they will be more justified in doing so, because unlike our invented story of "911 hijackers", the whole world knows what we have done to them.

I see no difference between us and those we love to hate. Without declaration of war, our warring actions must be considered to be those of private individuals, and as such indistinguishable from act of a common criminal.

Well please by all means please prosecute the people YOU!! think are responsible for the terror against America. The Americans! But remember this "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones" Is what you spew out of your mind helping or hurting the situation. If you are that sure that America is evil,stand in the public square and shout it out loud. When you acctually hear the words come from your mouth see if they still make sense!

I don't think many people would object if we just put them all in front of a firing squad and shot them.They said the majority of the people that have been set free were found again and arrested on the battlefield.

Some days...and this is one of them I can happily say...I am not a member of Thomas3474's imaginary majority.

Once more...simple solutions for simple minds.

Did "THEY" say how many of the 20% or so that were released and found to be combatants after release may be 1st time combatants merely reacting with justifiable anger to having had their *sses "detained" for 6 years? Did "THEY" mention, how many were pissed of at their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and children being killed or maimed by us or their livlihoods and property destroyed?

One would have thought that several years of "re-edducatgion" in a cushy Caribbean hell hole would have redirected their anger at our invading & occupying their countries. Yeah, shoot them and their kids, is prob ably the most patriotic and humane thing for us to do with them thar ungrateful foreignors.