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| Topic: Riddle Me This, Those From All Religions. | |
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Please listen now... asking God to open EVERYONE'S spiritual eyes and ears now..... so you ALL can see and hear now... In JESUS MIGHTY SAVING NAME...AMEN!!! But MorningSong, your prayer here flies in the very face of everything Christianity stands for. Here you are asking God to open everyone's eyes. But the argument of Chrisitanity is supposed to be that it's up to the individual to open their own eyes otherwise God would be interfering with their free will. Your very prayer suggests that you're not happy with God's methods and you feel that he should change his ways. 
Moreover what are you so worried about? Do you not trust God? 
Do you truly believe that God would allow some innocent souls to be lost if you don't request God to be compassionate? Wouldn't that imply that you are more compassionate than even God? You don't seem to have any faith in God at all truly. Relax MorningSong. God doesn't need a mother to tell him what to do. On the contrary God is the MOTHER of all Creation! Have a little faith in God MorningSong and lay down your burdens. Trust that God can deal with Her creation without your help. Evidently I have far more faith in God than you do. I trust God to know who's been naughty and who's been nice. She doesn't need me to ask her to save anyone. She knows what's going down. 
It must be horrible to believe in a God you can't trust. You might want to give the Moon Goddess a shot.
She's really nice and you can trust her to always be fair and just. You don't need to worry about her casting innocent people into eternal damnation. She just isn't chomping at the bit to do that. You've chosen to worship a mythology that has a God that even you can't trust. 
It must be horrible to believe in such an untrustworthy God. 
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I have yet to see a logical refutation for evil being the abscence of good..
I watched the video. Anyone care to take it on? |
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I have yet to see a logical refutation for evil being the abscence of good.. I watched the video. Anyone care to take it on? Perhaps neither exist?? One just makes decisions based on what they find right from the environment they grew up in. What may be wrong for others is correct for another? So in the end perhaps good and evil doesn't exist at all. What say you? |
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Purest nihilism...
There is no inherent property that exists... all is attribute. |
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I have yet to see a logical refutation for evil being the abscence of good.. I watched the video. Anyone care to take it on? It's just a silly play on words. One could just as easily claim that good is the absence of evil. Therefore if perfect goodness is not intact, then evil must necessarily be present. So as far as I'm concerned this blows the idea that evil is merely the absence of good clean out of the water. Allow me to give another argument that is based on a more concrete example. Imagine the following scenario. A child is given toys to play with, but she refuses to share her toys with anyone else. If we veiw sharing as being good, then in this case, we have an absence of good, but this does not in any way equate to being "evil". Therefore I have just shown that the absence of good is not evil. What we would consider to be evil would be if the child went around breaking other kids toys and/or stealing them. Now we have something that is NOT merely the absense of good, but something entirely different in its own right. So I hold that evil is not the same as the absence of good. It's something entirely different in its own right. |
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You hit the nail on the head Abra. The religious follow a simple rule that makes there lives easy. Ignorance is bliss. That's a pretty ignorant statement. How do you know what rules religious people follow - not being one yourself? Because. It's in a freaking book. Aside from the fact that the question was not adressed to the masses - what are you talking about. |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Thu 05/14/09 10:47 PM
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
 That's a human choice
Then he is not omnipotent. This world belongs to humans
Is he able, but not willing? HE regrets even creating humans
Then he is malevolent. No
Is he both able, and willing? The choice is ours
Then whence cometh evil? Humans
Is he neither able nor willing? The choice is ours
Then why call him god? Why do humans call anything "god"?
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As humans we are trapped in our bodies until we die
When we die we are released from our earthly limitations But we continue to live none the less We then become aware of the unseen world We are in the presence of our Creator We can't help but be drawn into his light It is beautiful and bright kinda' like a rainbow Peace and tranquility Love & happiness Awe & amazement are magnified Loved ones are there Pain and evil are not "Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream." Bad times exist to make you aware of the good times. :D Smile The Creator loves us all! Call me Cinderella... |
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You hit the nail on the head Abra. The religious follow a simple rule that makes there lives easy. Ignorance is bliss. That's a pretty ignorant statement. How do you know what rules religious people follow - not being one yourself? Because. It's in a freaking book. Aside from the fact that the question was not adressed to the masses - what are you talking about. Seems to me it was posted in this thread, in the forum. If you don't want a response from the masses, don't post it's that simple. You know exactly what I'm talking about, so quit acting like you don't. |
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What would a contemplation of evil being the absence of 'God' look like?
I want to ask how evil can come from an omnibenevolent source? By walking away from 'God'? How does one walk away from that which is everywhere? If all creation comes from this source...'God' Then all that results must also have it's primary foundation in this source. How does evil come to be in such a case? What allows the absence to begin? What begins this separation? |
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What would a contemplation of evil being the absence of 'God' look like? Evil is a human creation
I want to ask how evil can come from an omnibenevolent source? It doesnt. Humans invented "evil"
By walking away from 'God'? He was the one that was betrayed and cast out
How does one walk away from that which is everywhere? HE isn't in this worldThis is a human world
If all creation comes from this source...'God' Then all that results must also have it's primary foundation in this source. How does evil come to be in such a case? He gave us free will. He regrets creating us. Humans created evil.
What allows the absence to begin? What begins this separation? He gave humans a choice and this is what we chose.
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Mirror states(quoted)in response to questions posed(between dashes lines)...
Evil is a human creation
The description or that which is being described? -----I want to ask how evil can come from an omnibenevolent source?----- It doesnt. Humans invented "evil"
Then humans did not come from an omnibenevolent sorce either? -----By walking away from 'God'?----- He was the one that was betrayed and cast out
How is this conclusion drawn? -----How does one walk away from that which is everywhere?----- HE isn't in this worldThis is a human world
Then 'God' is not everywhere? -----If all creation comes from this source...'God' Then all that results must also have it's primary foundation in this source. How does evil come to be in such a case?----- He gave us free will. He regrets creating us. Humans created evil.
How can one 'give' to another that which one does not have themself? -----What allows the absence to begin? What begins this separation?----- He gave humans a choice and this is what we chose.
I ask again... If 'God' does not include 'evil', if 'God' consists of no 'evil', then how can 'God' give humans the ability to choose a thing which does not already exist? In order to be chosen, a thing must first exist. How does the possibility for 'evil' exist prior to humans choosing it, if it does not exist in the source...'God'? |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 05/15/09 02:11 PM
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Mirror states(quoted)in response to questions posed(between dashes lines)... Evil is a human creation
The description or that which is being described? -----I want to ask how evil can come from an omnibenevolent source?----- It doesnt. Humans invented "evil"
Then humans did not come from an omnibenevolent sorce either? -----By walking away from 'God'?----- He was the one that was betrayed and cast out
How is this conclusion drawn? -----How does one walk away from that which is everywhere?----- HE isn't in this worldThis is a human world
Then 'God' is not everywhere? -----If all creation comes from this source...'God' Then all that results must also have it's primary foundation in this source. How does evil come to be in such a case?----- He gave us free will. He regrets creating us. Humans created evil.
How can one 'give' to another that which one does not have themself? -----What allows the absence to begin? What begins this separation?----- He gave humans a choice and this is what we chose.
I ask again... If 'God' does not include 'evil', if 'God' consists of no 'evil', then how can 'God' give humans the ability to choose a thing which does not already exist? In order to be chosen, a thing must first exist. How does the possibility for 'evil' exist prior to humans choosing it, if it does not exist in the source...'God'?  Great questions Creative
 Hopefully I have responded to your questions Creative. I may have missed something or got them out of order. Not good at this inserted quote stuff
1.Good and evil are subjective terms created by humans. 2."Omnibenevolent" is a subjective term created by humans 3.Obviously GOD isnt around anywhere in this world.Have you seen him lately? 4.GOD keeps his promises,humans don't. 5.Nope,GOD is not everywhere.Humans made that up.He only goes where he is wanted.He isnt wanted here. 6.GOD has free will but he gave his promise not to interfere in our choices and he keeps it. 7.Humans have free will to create.And good and evil are subjective terms created and defined by humans. |
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Why GOD and not GODDESS or SPIRITUAL FORCE?
What promise did God keep that he coudn't fix? If people want to believe a God created us then what is his problem for not creating perfection in the first place? One would think with such powers one could create a Utopia if wanted. and if he wanted for everyone to believe he could have done it without such petty games wouldn't you think. Why the commotion in the first place unless he is a being of somekind that doesn't mind bad decisions, imperfections, struggles, sacrifices, and ignorance? So in the end your conclusion isn't convincing to many people around the world. |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 05/15/09 02:53 PM
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Why GOD and not GODDESS or SPIRITUAL FORCE? Its just a term. GOD is neither male nor female.
What promise did God keep that he coudn't fix? He promised not to interfere in our decisions. And who says he hasnt tried to fix things by coming as a human (Jesus). Perhaps it will fix things. Its up to us
If people want to believe a God created us then what is his problem for not creating perfection in the first place? Perfection is a subjective term created and defined by humans
One would think with such powers one could create a Utopia if wanted. Utopia is another subjective terms created by humansWhy dont we create a Utopia?
and if he wanted for everyone to believe he could have done it without such petty games wouldn't you think. Humans created religion and humans play petty games.
Why the commotion in the first place unless he is a being of somekind that doesn't mind bad decisions, imperfections, struggles, sacrifices, and ignorance? Who said he doesn't mind? Why dont we mind?
So in the end your conclusion isn't convincing to many people around the world. I didn't expect it to bePeople ask questions but don't like the answers. Nothing new about that.
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Mirror...
You nihilist you!
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 05/15/09 03:09 PM
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Mirror... You nihilist you!
 Im only human
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Edited by
smiless
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Fri 05/15/09 03:21 PM
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[ Why GOD and not GODDESS or SPIRITUAL FORCE? Its just a term. GOD is neither male nor female.
What promise did God keep that he coudn't fix? He promised not to interfere in our decisions. And who says he hasnt tried to fix things by coming as a human (Jesus). Perhaps it will fix things. Its up to us
If people want to believe a God created us then what is his problem for not creating perfection in the first place? Perfection is a subjective term created and defined by humans
One would think with such powers one could create a Utopia if wanted. Utopia is another subjective terms created by humansWhy dont we create a Utopia?
and if he wanted for everyone to believe he could have done it without such petty games wouldn't you think. Humans created religion and humans play petty games.
Why the commotion in the first place unless he is a being of somekind that doesn't mind bad decisions, imperfections, struggles, sacrifices, and ignorance? Who said he doesn't mind? Why dont we mind?
So in the end your conclusion isn't convincing to many people around the world. I didn't expect it to bePeople ask questions but don't like the answers. Nothing new about that.
God sends Jesus to fix our problems by forgiving us for our sins? You truly believe this. Well be my guest I don't think a all willing God needs to do this if he truly had the powers. He could just fix it without using a pawn. You also believe that God left us and we are now here to make free decisions. That is one possiblity actually if a God exists, yet why create in the first place to just abandon. That just shows imperfections of a superbeing in the first place. Utopia is a human creation sure, but that is the desire most people want. If god existed and was all good in a way that he wants peace and harmony then such a world would exist, so perhaps god is neutral in the end favoring both sides of the coin. Concerning the struggles of poverty, hunger, and hardship in which I seen enough for three lifetimes it should concern everyone. I think if a all wise god did exist and had the powers to do something about it then he or she should have done it. Nothing is being done so then perhaps there is no god or the god is neutral and favors both sides of the coin, or last but not least the god has no powers to do anything about it. So yes answers to questions and questions to answers to such topics can go all day long for each individual has a different opinion on it. |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 05/15/09 07:41 PM
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[ Why GOD and not GODDESS or SPIRITUAL FORCE? Its just a term. GOD is neither male nor female.
What promise did God keep that he coudn't fix? He promised not to interfere in our decisions. And who says he hasnt tried to fix things by coming as a human (Jesus). Perhaps it will fix things. Its up to us
If people want to believe a God created us then what is his problem for not creating perfection in the first place? Perfection is a subjective term created and defined by humans
One would think with such powers one could create a Utopia if wanted. Utopia is another subjective terms created by humansWhy dont we create a Utopia?
and if he wanted for everyone to believe he could have done it without such petty games wouldn't you think. Humans created religion and humans play petty games.
Why the commotion in the first place unless he is a being of somekind that doesn't mind bad decisions, imperfections, struggles, sacrifices, and ignorance? Who said he doesn't mind? Why dont we mind?
So in the end your conclusion isn't convincing to many people around the world. I didn't expect it to bePeople ask questions but don't like the answers. Nothing new about that.
God sends Jesus to fix our problems by forgiving us for our sins? You truly believe this. Well be my guest I don't think a all willing God needs to do this if he truly had the powers. He could just fix it without using a pawn. Maybe "Jesus" was God in fully human form and he came to set an example of forgivness ands self sacrifice and to try to establish a lasting moral code because the 10 commandments didnt work out so well,and humans had wished for a messiah for centuries. So thats what they got.And we still do not understand and we still weren't satisfied But perhaps there is still hope
You also believe that God left us and we are now here to make free decisions. That is one possiblity actually if a God exists, yet why create in the first place to just abandon. That just shows imperfections of a superbeing in the first place. He was the one that was abandonedHe gave his promise when he gave us free will, and God keeps his promises although humans do not.
Utopia is a human creation sure, but that is the desire most people want. If god existed and was all good in a way that he wants peace and harmony then such a world would exist, so perhaps god is neutral in the end favoring both sides of the coin. People dont agree on what is a Utopia, and you are right about God not being on anyones side. He has his own side
Concerning the struggles of poverty, hunger, and hardship in which I seen enough for three lifetimes it should concern everyone. I think if a all wise god did exist and had the powers to do something about it then he or she should have done it. Nothing is being done so then perhaps there is no god or the god is neutral and favors both sides of the coin, or last but not least the god has no powers to do anything about it. This is a human world and humans are responsible for all their suffering in it. God gave us everything we need to fix it. Why dont we?This is the real question. But humans still want to blame others ,and scapegoat others ,instead of taking responsibility for their own decisions and actions
So yes answers to questions and questions to answers to such topics can go all day long for each individual has a different opinion on it. People ask question but they don't like the answers
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Lee I don't really care what others think so you can repeat yourself as much as you like about how people don't like the answers you give. Everyone to their own I say. Fortunately I personally can choose to believe them or not and I don't believe your conclusions are logical at all.
You are pretty much in agreement with Christianity. Which denomination is uncertain but it doesn't matter to me anyway. They all have one of the same idealogy in principle. As for me personally I don't think a God had anything to do with the creation of this universe. Do I have answers? No I don't, but I don't follow manmade written documents to be valid either or inspired by a God. I also am probably one of the few in the world that will also say that if we are honest with ourselves and with others then we don't know the answers to such hard questions philosophers have been asking for thousands of years. We can only speculate and that would be a good answer. We don't know how it all started and why because it is beyond our knowledge at the moment to know. It is way before our time to know and beyond our intelligence, although scientists are getting closer to understanding some of the occurrences our galaxy endures such as how planets may form after a sun explodes and perhaps how the big bang occurs. I would rather believe in evolution then creationism also. It is hard to believe that people actually agree that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. and last but not least I don't think we are much significance to any beginning if we look at how huge the many milky ways there are scattered throughout the many universes. So good luck on whatever you believe
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