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Edited by
iamgeorgiagirl
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In as much as I know the world we are in now exists. I also know so does the one we can't see right now, it exists too. Your first thought when you see it might just be "Damn she was telling me the truth." Deny it with logic or whatever else you can think of because it is your choice to do so, but...it is real. God is real. The bible is confusing but the gist of it is important. Life after death is real. God is real. God is good. God is our creator. God is light. God is good. God is love. God loves you & me. I might not understand everything pefectly or have all the answers....but I care.
God is good. God is love. God is our creator. We all have a gift and a purpose here...all of us. Peace 
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 05/12/09 12:37 PM
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Abra wrote.... " We now know that animals did indeed eat each other all along, and certainly long before mankind even came onto the scene..." False. 
End of story. 
This is precisely the arguments of religious people. If something disagrees with their mythology they just proclaim it to be false and call that the end of the story. 
But any and all religions could be supported with those kind of empty arguments. Greek Mythology is true! End of Story! The Moon Goddess is real! End of Story! Wanka Tanka created the universe! End of Story! The Flying Spaghetti Monster is God! End of Story! These aren't arguments. They're just denial craved in stone. This is nothing more than a COMPLETE CONFESSION that the Biblical story has no more merit than anything else. It's true because we say so! End of Story! Just IGNORE the FACTS of the REAL WORLD! We don't want to hear it! We AREN'T LISTENING! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!! They run around the room holding their hands over their ears to block out TRUTH! And thus stands that state of human religion to date. Christians have the Holy Spirit indwellng Us ,thus letting Us KNOW we are born of God......and also CONFIRMING to us in our spirit ,that God's Word IS TRUE. God's Holy Spirit BEARS WITNESS with a born again beleivers spirit... so therefore, we as Believers are not just left out in the dark with only our Faith, without any PROOF...... as you are still left quessing, Abra. No..we don't quess any longer.....we Now KNOW. GOD LETS US KNOW... BY COMING TO DWELL WITHIN OUR SPIRIT.... THUS MAKING HIMSELF KNOWN TO US. WE KNOW. WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW !!!! What have you presented to us, to back up your rash claims, Abra? Have you ever presented us with even one shred of evidence to support your claims, in all these 2 years of ranting on here? Except to only present us with your own "interpretation" of the bible... which you never even bothered to THOROUGHLY read in the first place?
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In as much as I know the world we are in now exists. I also know so does the one we can't see right now, it exists too. Your first thought when you see it might just be "Damn she was telling me the truth." Deny it with logic or whatever else you can think of because it is your choice to do so, but...it is real. God is real. The bible is confusing but the gist of it is important. Life after death is real. God is real. God is good. God is our creator. God is light. God is good. God is love. God loves you & me. I might not understand everything pefectly or have all the answers....but I care. God is good. God is love. God is our creator. We all have a gift and a purpose here...all of us. Peace
All 100 per cent God's Word..and I Agree. 
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Christians have the Holy Spirit indwellng Us ,thus letting Us KNOW we are born of God......and also CONFIRMING to us in our spirit ,that God's Word IS TRUE. God's Holy Spirit BEARS WITNESS with a born again beleivers spirit... so therefore, we as Believers are not just left out in the dark with only our Faith, without any PROOF...... as you are still left quessing, Abra. I see. I guess that settles it then. I was always told that it was a matter of FAITH. Me baad. 
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God spared my life when I was raped, he spared it when I drowned, I am here to tell my story. God is real, life after death is real. God sees all, knows all.
You can not hide from the Creator... He comes to get you immediately in the wink of an eye just like the bible says.... He loves us and wants the best for us... He wants us to love him too... |
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God spared my life when I was raped, he spared it when I drowned, I am here to tell my story. God is real, life after death is real. God sees all, knows all. You can not hide from the Creator... He comes to get you immediately in the wink of an eye just like the bible says.... He loves us and wants the best for us... He wants us to love him too... All of that could be true, and the Bible could still be false. Just because you believe in a mystic being that looks after you doesn't mean that the Israelites spoke for him. This is the kind of thinking that sends many people to the Bible. As soon as they have any reason at all to believe in a divine being they rush off to worship the Bible because it's the going thing in their culture. If I felt that some mystical being saved me from something that's not going to send me running off sceaming "The Jews were right! The Jews were right!" After all, it was the Jews who wrote the Bible. And even THEY didn't believe in Jesus! Just because spirits are real, doesn't automatically mean the Bible is true. Not by a long shot! |
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Maybe the Mood Goddess saved you!
Or Wanka Tanka! Or any spiritual being. Why run off to worship the gods of the Jews or Christians? 
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God spared my life when I was raped, he spared it when I drowned, I am here to tell my story. God is real, life after death is real. God sees all, knows all. You can not hide from the Creator... He comes to get you immediately in the wink of an eye just like the bible says.... He loves us and wants the best for us... He wants us to love him too... All of that could be true, and the Bible could still be false. Just because you believe in a mystic being that looks after you doesn't mean that the Israelites spoke for him. This is the kind of thinking that sends many people to the Bible. As soon as they have any reason at all to believe in a divine being they rush off to worship the Bible because it's the going thing in their culture. If I felt that some mystical being saved me from something that's not going to send me running off sceaming "The Jews were right! The Jews were right!" After all, it was the Jews who wrote the Bible. And even THEY didn't believe in Jesus! Just because spirits are real, doesn't automatically mean the Bible is true. Not by a long shot! How do you explain anyone knowing this is what happens when you die if it wasn't inspired by God? How would or could anyone know what the future would bring unless inspired by the truth some other way? |
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Maybe the Mood Goddess saved you! Or Wanka Tanka! Or any spiritual being. Why run off to worship the gods of the Jews or Christians?
I also have studied many religions to some degree. Most have some issue that rings BS. |
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While this is undoubtedly true. There are just too many things in the bible that are true....like life after death. How do you explain anyone knowing this is what happens when you die if it wasn't inspired by God? How would or could anyone know what the future would bring unless inspired by the truth some other way? They don't know the future. You have no proof outside of the bible that there is life after death. There was no deity that saved you it was you that saved yourself. Your mental and emotional strength got you through to where you are today. If god is all knowing then he allowed you to be raped and did nothing to stop it. If he is all powerful he could've stopped it. |
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While this is undoubtedly true. There are just too many things in the bible that are true....like life after death. How do you explain anyone knowing this is what happens when you die if it wasn't inspired by God? How would or could anyone know what the future would bring unless inspired by the truth some other way? They don't know the future. You have no proof outside of the bible that there is life after death. There was no deity that saved you it was you that saved yourself. Your mental and emotional strength got you through to where you are today. If god is all knowing then he allowed you to be raped and did nothing to stop it. If he is all powerful he could've stopped it. He could've stopped it and beleive me I was upset with him that he didn't. But you know I learned a lot after I suffered. Evidently stuff I needed to know. I learned eventually to forgive that person. The unforgiven are the ones to feel sorry for. Those with no remorse. They are the ones to pity, not the victim. They are the ones who are furtherest away from God. Not me. I was brought closer to him. |
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I also have studied many religions to some degree. Most have some issue that rings BS. Well, I guess we all have our own views on that. I personally feel that the Bible reeks of BS. Besides, MorningSong doesn't agree with you and She has DIVINE KNOWLEDGE so your interpretations are obviously wrong anyway.
Hey, I don't care. Believe what you will. But I've heard nothing here that has even begun to convince me of anything. I see the flaws in the Bible. They are so astronomical it just blows my mind why other people can't see them. But whatever. If people are that desperate to believe in the Bible and it some how brings them peace of mind then so be it. Personally I'd have far more peace of mind believing that atheism is true. I just can't imagine having been created by an egotistical jealous God who lusts to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over his own creation. Clearly that's his MASTER PLAN according to the Bible. Seems like a pretty immature and desperate God if you ask me. But to each their own. |
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I also have studied many religions to some degree. Most have some issue that rings BS. Well, I guess we all have our own views on that. I personally feel that the Bible reeks of BS. Besides, MorningSong doesn't agree with you and She has DIVINE KNOWLEDGE so your interpretations are obviously wrong anyway.
Hey, I don't care. Believe what you will. But I've heard nothing here that has even begun to convince me of anything. I see the flaws in the Bible. They are so astronomical it just blows my mind why other people can't see them. But whatever. If people are that desperate to believe in the Bible and it some how brings them peace of mind then so be it. Personally I'd have far more peace of mind believing that atheism is true. I just can't imagine having been created by an egotistical jealous God who lusts to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over his own creation. Clearly that's his MASTER PLAN according to the Bible. Seems like a pretty immature and desperate God if you ask me. But to each their own. Yes to each their own. He who laughs last isn't always loudest either. That is BS too. |
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How the Earth Was Made ALPS (New) 8:00 PM, 1 hr Tue 05/12/2009 THC 49 Science/Documentary/Environmental After discovering various marine fossils in the Alps some 7,000 feet above sea level, researchers search for clues to find the reason for their existence at such a high altitude in lieu of glaciers, peaks and mountains melting. |
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Well I don't know if I would agree with that Micheal. I think that all comes down to how you define God...
So you agree... 
There are only TWO possibly critera that we can draw on in order to claim that something is evil.
1. We don't like it. 2. It's against God's will. Not that I disagree with the intentions, but the above argument is invalid, there are more than two possible criteria... but it really does not matter. So the questions of Epicuras only apply to a God that passes judgements.
Untrue... The only think we are left with in that case is our reaction to these things.
1. Emotional Pain 2. Physical Pain Again... untrue. We create our own emotional pain by passing judgements on what we see.
Again... untrue. And if there is a God, then our children aren't even ours anyway. All living beings are children of God. If someone you love is hurt or dies that affect your emotional pain. But if someone you never knew dies, you're not affected by that hardly at all. Emotional pain is entirely subjective.
James, are you reading the words that you are writing? So I think there are concepts of "God" that can exist without acknowleding the concept of "Evil" at all.
This above is an argument about the existence of evil, not 'God'. It really does nothing to clarify the topic at hand. There are concepts of whatever that can exist without concepts of whatever... If one denies the existence of evil, the OP is moot. So there could exist an all-loving God who's love is truly unconditional. Everyone is loved by God in the end no matter what they've done in this life.
There could. Then there is no such thing as "Evil", but instead all that exists are things that makes us squimish.
This does not necessarily follow from above. Epicuras doesn't deny God, he simply denies a Judgmental God that could thwart what we percieve to be "evil" but refuses to do it.
The OP denies the existence of the omni-god. It denies that description, as I stated earlier, which has all of it's supposed attributes through a translation of man.
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If one denies the existence of evil, the OP is moot. I'm in complete agreement with that. The OP denies the existence of the omni-god. It denies that description, as I stated earlier, which has all of it's supposed attributes through a translation of man. "Omni-God"? Does an omni-god automatically demand that evil exists? I guess that's the point I'm not convinced of. 
This may very well come down to a disagreement of what is meant by an 'omni-god'. Omni-powerful? Meaning the God can do anything? How would that demand that evil exists? Omni-loving? Meaning the God is all-loving? Again, does it truly follow from this that what we have decided that appears to be evil to us actually constitutes something that's bad? I guess what I'm trying to get at is that if we see people being horribly murdered we might think of that as an 'evil' atrocity, but from the point of view of an all-powerful, all-loving God it's not an atrocity at all, because no one truly died. All are spirit. So what we percieve to be a horrific event, was not in God's reality horrific at all. I just don't see how an omni-god automatically demands a concept of 'evil'. |
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I kinda gathered that you were denying evil...
That's another topic altogether... It would probably be a good one...
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The only thing we are left with in that case is our reaction to these things.
1. Emotional Pain 2. Physical Pain Again... untrue. Can you name a third kind of pain? I would be very interested to hear any ideas of a third kind of pain. We create our own emotional pain by passing judgements on what we see.
Again... untrue. Well, you claim this is untrue, but you haven't even given an example of how we can experience emotional pain without passing judgements on what's we see (what's happening around us). And if there is a God, then our children aren't even ours anyway. All living beings are children of God. If someone you love is hurt or dies that affect your emotional pain. But if someone you never knew dies, you're not affected by that hardly at all. Emotional pain is entirely subjective.
James, are you reading the words that you are writing? Absolutely. I realize these may seem like harsh concepts to accept. But they're true. To deny them would be silly. The point is that if all are God's Children then God loves everyone equally. Therefore our unbalanced concerns about the wellfare of our own loved one's is totally a false delusion that we personally pamper, but one that can have absolutely no meaning to God at all. You're probably just not understanding the point I'm trying to get at with this. I was only trying to use this to spotlight the fact that we subjectively choose what we deem to be important, whilst in God's eyes, everything is of equal importance. Our delusions of what we deem to be important is what drives our subjective emotional pain. If, in the end, we are all truly spirit and none of us can ever truly die, then there are only two kinds of pain in this world, physical and emotional. And emotional pain is ENTIRELY subjective and therefore not even real. Especially in light of the fact that after we die it will be revealed to us that non of this was real. It was all a DREAM. That's precisly what it would mean to have a spiritual life after death. It would mean that are true nature is spirit, and the entire physical experience was a surreal dream. There never was anything such as death, or emotional pain. The only thing left to deal with would be the physical pain. And once you've awaked from the dream of life, even the physical pain will be nothing but a memory at that point. Tell me what kind of pain exists other than physical pain and emotional pain? I'd really be interested in adding to the list. Personally I can't imagine a third kind of pain. Can you? |
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I kinda gathered that you were denying evil...
That's another topic altogether... It would probably be a good one...
Well the way I figure it there can only be two ways to define evil. 1. God decides what's evil (absolute evil) 2. Man decides what's evil (subjective evil) I'm not sure what's left? Man, or God. Either way it's judgments passed on what should be considered to be evil. Either God's judgment, or man's judgement. Evil = judgement in either case does it not? What other way would their be to define 'evil'? |
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Can you name a third kind of pain?
I think there is only one kind... of pain. We create our own emotional pain by passing judgements on what we see.
Mourning requires no judgement. Emotional distress does not equate to pain. The concept of emotional 'pain' is very misleading. Absolutely. I realize these may seem like harsh concepts to accept. But they're true. To deny them would be silly.
Call me silly... 
Well the way I figure it there can only be two ways to define evil.
1. God decides what's evil (absolute evil) 2. Man decides what's evil (subjective evil) I'm not sure what's left? Man, or God. Either way it's judgments passed on what should be considered to be evil. Either God's judgment, or man's judgement. Evil = judgement in either case does it not? What other way would their be to define 'evil'? Man defines 'God'... There is only one way to define evil. |
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