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Topic: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist
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Fri 05/01/09 08:11 PM
I had a question and I found this while searching.


Iraq vet exposes how he was trained to round up Americans in martial law exercise, asked if he would kill his own friends and family.

U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

We received an e mail from "Scott", a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called Helmets To Hard Hats, which according to its website, "Is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry."

Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America.

"I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott. "I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."

"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.

Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so.

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

Its known origins can be traced back to an October 1994 Marine questionnaire out of the Twentynine Palms Marine Base in California. Recruits were asked 46 questions, including whether they would kill U.S. citizens who refused to surrender their firearms.

Documentary film maker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late 90's which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.

During one such program in Oakland California, dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer if they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.

During hurricane Katrina, National Guard units were ordered to confiscate guns belonging to New Orleans residents.

As we first exposed in May 2006, Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government and FEMA to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

Many scoffed at our original story, which was based on the testimony of a whistleblower who was asked to participate in the program. Claims that the story was a conspiracy theory soon evaporated when a mainstream KSLA news report confirmed the existence of the program.

The experiences of U.S. troops in the worst areas of Iraq, where soldiers are ordered to go door to door and arrest all men of military age as well as confiscate their weapons, is a mere portend of what is being planned for America if these training programs ever come to fruition.

The last two questions on a questionnaire for new recruits.

45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”

46.The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.

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Fri 05/01/09 08:16 PM
Dude, riot training has been part of National Guard training for many years. yes, with CS gas and M-16, I actually missed it in 1985 because I ad KP. I was supposed to repeat it, but it never happened.
Like after major event to prevent/stop looters and the like.

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Fri 05/01/09 08:17 PM
In order to truly deliver the greater good, some people will need to be shot. That is precisely what 75% of law enforcement will believe, when they are finally ordered to round us up.

Later, it will turn to be that regardless of the initial idea of the greater good, some more people need to be shot, because "we've got to finish what we started".

Then it will be "It is my life on the line, and that of my relatives, if I do not obey orders".

Finally, it all comes down to "I was only doing what they forced me to do".

Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/01/09 08:18 PM
Did you think they did not train the military for this event should it ever happen?


Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/01/09 08:18 PM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Did you write that your self willing???

willing2's photo
Fri 05/01/09 08:33 PM

Dude, riot training has been part of National Guard training for many years. yes, with CS gas and M-16, I actually missed it in 1985 because I ad KP. I was supposed to repeat it, but it never happened.
Like after major event to prevent/stop looters and the like.


Not everyone is aware that our troops would kill them.
WTC, peaceful demonstration in Seattle.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 05/01/09 08:39 PM
Why wouldnt they be?


On May 4, l970 members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd

of Kent State University demonstrators, killing four and wounding

nine Kent State students. The impact of the shootings was dramatic.

The event triggered a nationwide student strike that forced hundreds

of colleges and universities to close. H. R. Haldeman, a top aide to

President Richard Nixon, suggests the shootings had a direct impact

on national politics. In The Ends of Power, Haldeman (1978) states

that the shootings at Kent State began the slide into Watergate,

eventually destroying the Nixon administration. Beyond the direct

effects of the May 4th, the shootings have certainly come to

symbolize the deep political and social divisions that so sharply

divided the country during the Vietnam War era.


InvictusV's photo
Fri 05/01/09 08:58 PM
I decided long ago that in case of martial law be sure to have more firepower than the storm troopers.

AndrewAV's photo
Fri 05/01/09 10:04 PM

I decided long ago that in case of martial law be sure to have more firepower than the storm troopers.


sounds to me like you don't have california's gun laws to worry about...

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 05/01/09 10:48 PM
"Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation."


laugh Isn't that the religious right?laugh

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Fri 05/01/09 11:01 PM
Edited by nogames39 on Fri 05/01/09 11:02 PM

"Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation."


laugh Isn't that the religious right?laugh


Yes. But it would be funny only if anti-Obama public was the religious right.

The whole point of those not happy with Obama is that he inches closer and closer to socialism, which is one and the same with the far left and the far right.

When either of radical wings achieves it's goal, the other wing dissolves. This is exactly what had happened when Hitler was elected.

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Fri 05/01/09 11:32 PM
this is the objectionable line

45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”

but hey what do i know


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Sat 05/02/09 07:56 AM

"Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation."


laugh Isn't that the religious right?laugh


Clergy response teams...

Romans thirteen anyone?

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Sat 05/02/09 08:00 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Sat 05/02/09 08:00 AM
Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming. We're finally on our own. This summer I hear the drumming, four dead in Ohio

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Sat 05/02/09 08:16 AM


U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.




Very good post Willing2

Some recent actions by the anti gun lobby supported by Obama is to attempt to ban all rifles that take clips and ban all existing ammunition with similar legislation. There is a very strong movement to move guns laws towards those of England, Canada, and Australia, which are very restrictive. The laws haven't worked either. Criminals that want guns are still able to get them and always will.

The scary part of your post is the movement by the government to remove the ability of the people to defend itself against government.

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Sat 05/02/09 08:23 AM



U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.




Very good post Willing2

Some recent actions by the anti gun lobby supported by Obama is to attempt to ban all rifles that take clips and ban all existing ammunition with similar legislation. There is a very strong movement to move guns laws towards those of England, Canada, and Australia, which are very restrictive. The laws haven't worked either. Criminals that want guns are still able to get them and always will.

The scary part of your post is the movement by the government to remove the ability of the people to defend itself against government.


You cant seriously believe that Right wing blogg diatribe!
laugh laugh laugh laugh

Come-on willing time to reveal your source and link your post!

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Sat 05/02/09 08:51 AM




U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.




Very good post Willing2

Some recent actions by the anti gun lobby supported by Obama is to attempt to ban all rifles that take clips and ban all existing ammunition with similar legislation. There is a very strong movement to move guns laws towards those of England, Canada, and Australia, which are very restrictive. The laws haven't worked either. Criminals that want guns are still able to get them and always will.

The scary part of your post is the movement by the government to remove the ability of the people to defend itself against government.


You cant seriously believe that Right wing blogg diatribe!
laugh laugh laugh laugh

Come-on willing time to reveal your source and link your post!

It's all over the net.
If you had really been Military, you would have remembered the questionnaire about killing Americans and pledging loyalty to the UN Forces.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 05/02/09 08:56 AM


"Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation."


laugh Isn't that the religious right?laugh


Yes. But it would be funny only if anti-Obama public was the religious right.

The whole point of those not happy with Obama is that he inches closer and closer to socialism, which is one and the same with the far left and the far right.

When either of radical wings achieves it's goal, the other wing dissolves. This is exactly what had happened when Hitler was elected.



bigsmile Hitler was in Germany and he was a right wing conservative.bigsmileYou do know that right?laugh Someof you people seem to think he was an American president.laugh

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Sat 05/02/09 08:59 AM


It's all over the net.
If you had really been Military, you would have remembered the questionnaire about killing Americans and pledging loyalty to the UN Forces.



LMAO

If you had really been Military you would know there was no such pledge in 1978!
I doubt there is now!

Still no link aye?

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:01 AM

Why wouldnt they be?


On May 4, l970 members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd

of Kent State University demonstrators, killing four and wounding

nine Kent State students. The impact of the shootings was dramatic.

The event triggered a nationwide student strike that forced hundreds

of colleges and universities to close. H. R. Haldeman, a top aide to

President Richard Nixon, suggests the shootings had a direct impact

on national politics. In The Ends of Power, Haldeman (1978) states

that the shootings at Kent State began the slide into Watergate,

eventually destroying the Nixon administration. Beyond the direct

effects of the May 4th, the shootings have certainly come to

symbolize the deep political and social divisions that so sharply

divided the country during the Vietnam War era.




Oh yeah!
Dont forget the Civil War!:wink:

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