I was wondering if anybody remembered Kent State. Good to know some folks do. As far as outgunning the strom troopers, yeah right, good luck with that. The military does not take an oath to support the U.N. Right wing gun nuts drive me nuts. And before you ask; yes I have been in the military, yes I do own a weapon or two.

Ahh this is the thread I was looking for.

I have had some discussions regarding this thread with a person I know who is currently serving. I cannot identify him for obvious reasons. However here is a copy of one of our communications.

Original Message YOU sent on 5/13/2009 8:59:31 AM

Here is part of a post that many seem to be referring to. Some posters are saying that soldiers now serving are being trained to disarm US citizens and are secretly being sworn to be loyal to the UN.

No. 45 in this list is frequently referred to by folks who feel there is a one world government conspiracy afoot. The earliest date these surveys were circulated mentioned in these posts is 1994.

The following survey questions, except for the last one, were not reprinted in the July 11 New American article. They were forwarded by the magazine to the New Jersey Conservative PAC (NJCPAC, 2 Thornton Lane, Piscataway NJ 08854-5044 ph/fx:908-463-0797), which also reports that preliminary fact-finding at the base indicates that the “surveys came through the chain of command.” The questions are reproduced here with NJCPAC’s permission.

NJCPAC asks that anyone who knows of other administrations of this or similar COMBAT ARMS SURVEY(s) pls contact them or Congressmen Bob Dornan (ph:202-225-2965) or Duncan Miller (ph:202-225-5672 fx:202-225-0235).
COMBAT ARMS SURVEY
This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regards to nontraditional missions. All of your responses are confidential. Write your answers directly on the questionnaire form. In Part II, place an “X” in the space provided for your response.

1. Part I. Demographics What Service are you in?
2. What is your pay grade? (e.g. E-?, O-?)
3. What is your MOS code and description?
4. What is your highest level of education in years?
5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield?
6. How many months did you serve in Somalia?
7. What state or country did you primarily reside in during childhood?

Part II. Attitudes Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used within the United States for any of the following missions?
8. Drug enforcement
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly Agree agree No opinion Strongly disagree Disagree
9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes) [transcriber's note: questions #9 through #46 all provide the same range of response options as shown in question #8, above. The response options have been omitted from the remaining questions for brevity.]
10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)
11. Environmental disaster clean-up
12. Substitute teachers in public schools
13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping, environmental clean-up, road repair, animal control)
14. Federal and State prison guards
15. National emergency police force
16. Advisors to S.W.A.T units, the FBI, or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (B.A.T.F.)
17. Border patrol (e.g. prevention of illegal aliens into U.S. territory.) Do you feel that U.S. combat troops under U.S. command should be used in other countries for any of the following United Nations missions?
18. Drug enforcement
19. Disaster relief (hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
20. Environmental disaster clean-up
21. Peace keeping
22. Nation building/reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.)
23. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing) Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the United Nations for any of the following missions?
24. Drug enforcement
25. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
26. Environmental disaster clean-up
27. Peace keeping
28. Nation building (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.
29. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing)
30. Police Action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, but serving under non-U.S. officers) Consider the following statements:
31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these exercises under U.S. command and control.
32. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises.
33. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops should serve under U.N. command and control during these exercises.
34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions as long as the U.S. has full command and control.
35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under United Nations command and control.
36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and noncommissioned officers (NCOs) at battalion and company levels while performing U.N. missions.
37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team. (e.g. fire team, squad, platoon)
38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company commander.
39. I feel the President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary General.
40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier.
41. I feel my unit’s combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing humanitarian missions for the United Nations.
42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the command and control of the United Nations.
43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. commander.
44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to give the U.N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace.
45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”
46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.
Edited by willing2 on Sat 05/02/09 11:32 AM

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First of all a survey is a questionnaire to gain information, period! It is not intended to and does not set policy for any organization.

In regards to #45. Someone wants to know if they would swear to such an oath. It does not mean there is such an oath. Here is the oath that I took when I was commissioned as an officer in the U.S. Army. Enlisted soldiers take a similar oath when they are enlisted into the Army.

"I, _________, having been appointed as an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; so help me God."

#45 seems to be an adaptation of the "Code of Conduct for Members of the United States Armed Forces" which was created after the Korean War to give service members guidelines that they could follow even if they had been captured and no longer under their US chain of command.

#1 in the Code states, "I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense."

#6 in the Code states, "I will never forget that I am an American fighting man, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America."

In regards to #36. When under a "unified command," which means there is a mix of forces from a variety of nations, US forces are employed as tactical UNITS, not individuals. US forces are typically deployed overseas at a level not below a brigade combat team and normally complete US command exists at no less than Corps or division. This means NO US company or battalion would be under a UN commander, that was not a US officer. This has been the position of the United States since the introduction of US forces to the European Theater in WWI.

I hope this clears some things up.

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