Topic: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist
adj4u's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:02 AM
why is it no one minds that our military are to swear allegiance to the united nations rather than the people that pay them

i understand the need to be able to go into a volatile situation and get it under control

but to have them swear to this statement is totally wrong


"""""45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”"""""

adj4u's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:10 AM
Exceptional Profile of Courage: The United Nations vs. American Liberty


Back Cover copy
Congressman Ron Paul (R) Texas: "An emerging global government is how the UN views itself. They readily admit their goal is to impose a comprehensive set of laws on all of us laws that supercede sovereign national governments. To do this, the UN needs a global military, a global police force, international courts, officers around the globe, and many highly-paid international bureaucrats. The UN is absolutely serious about imposing a global tax."
"LaVerkin, Utah, fired a shot heard around the world blazing a trail for others to follow.
Congress got a wake up call." Daniel New

"At a time when government seems too big to understand, it is nice to see a private citizen do the extensive research on a topic that raises some interesting questions of how we are governed. It behooves all of us to become better informed." Marilyn Curtis White, MA. Hurricane High School, U.S. History, American Government & Law

..............................

WHOEVER, OWING ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES AND HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMMISSION OF ANY TREASON against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of Misprision of Treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years or both. – THE UNITED NATIONS LOYALTY OATH I SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO EXERCISE IN ALL LOYALTY, DISCRETION AND CONSCIENCE, THE FUNCTIONS ENTRUSTED TO ME AS A MEMBER OF INTERNATIONAL SERVICE OF THE UNITED NATIONS; TO DISCHARGE THOSE FUNCTIONS AND REGULATE WITH THE INTEREST OF THE UNITED NATIONS ONLY IN VIEW, AND NOT TO SEEK OR ACCEPT INSTRUCTIONS IN REGARD TO THE PERFORMANCE OF MY DUTY, FROM ANY GOVERNMENT OR AUTHORITY EXTERNAL TO THE ORGANIZATION.

The above oath is evidence that all those who have affiliations with the United Nations, whether or not also employed in the service of the United States Government, whenever there is a conflict, must always place their loyalty to the United Nations above the loyalty to the United States. I HAVE AN UNCLASSIFIED copy of the Questionnaire – PEACEKEEPING and U.N. OPERATIONAL CONTROL. A Study of Their Effect on Unit Cohesion. NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL, Monterey, CA, March, 1995.

http://www.amazon.fr/Exceptional-Profile-Courage-Nations-American/dp/product-description/1888106646

-------------------------------------------------

looks interesting

hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:11 AM

why is it no one minds that our military are to swear allegiance to the united nations rather than the people that pay them

i understand the need to be able to go into a volatile situation and get it under control

but to have them swear to this statement is totally wrong


"""""45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”"""""


Never served under UN command!

That would be the blue-helmet guys.

I, (Fanta46), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


That was me!



adj4u's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:13 AM
Edited by adj4u on Sat 05/02/09 09:14 AM


why is it no one minds that our military are to swear allegiance to the united nations rather than the people that pay them

i understand the need to be able to go into a volatile situation and get it under control

but to have them swear to this statement is totally wrong


"""""45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”"""""


Never served under UN command!

That would be the blue-helmet guys.

I, (Fanta46), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


That was me!





that is cool fanta drinker

but there seems to be those that are """required""" to

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:31 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 05/02/09 09:41 AM



why is it no one minds that our military are to swear allegiance to the united nations rather than the people that pay them

i understand the need to be able to go into a volatile situation and get it under control

but to have them swear to this statement is totally wrong


"""""45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”"""""


Never served under UN command!

That would be the blue-helmet guys.

I, (Fanta46), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


That was me!





that is cool fanta drinker

but there seems to be those that are """required""" to


It's illegal to place US Military under foreign command.
They may serve on a UN mission, but are always under American Command.
Although I think Clinton and Bush allowed it even though their was a big stink over it!
To do what all the CL claim would not be met with a willingness by our military leaders or the troops, let alone the public.

These tactics to smear Obama with false accusations by conspiracy right-wing groups are exaggerated beyond a reasonable acceptance by more than a very small minority of Americans!

They're ridiculous!

no photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:34 AM





U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.




Very good post Willing2

Some recent actions by the anti gun lobby supported by Obama is to attempt to ban all rifles that take clips and ban all existing ammunition with similar legislation. There is a very strong movement to move guns laws towards those of England, Canada, and Australia, which are very restrictive. The laws haven't worked either. Criminals that want guns are still able to get them and always will.

The scary part of your post is the movement by the government to remove the ability of the people to defend itself against government.


You cant seriously believe that Right wing blogg diatribe!
laugh laugh laugh laugh

Come-on willing time to reveal your source and link your post!

It's all over the net.
If you had really been Military, you would have remembered the questionnaire about killing Americans and pledging loyalty to the UN Forces.

ummmm nope. I don't remember anything like that

Winx's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:43 AM
Edited by Winx on Sat 05/02/09 10:10 AM
My ex was in active Army for 4 years and then in the National Guard for 18 years. He said, "The question on that test is a hypothetical question on a psychological test to see how stable the soldier is. It's one of many unusual questions in a 3 to 4 hour test. He has had training for riot control but NEVER for going into people's homes and taking their weapons."




Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 09:44 AM

Come-on willing time to reveal your source and link your post!

It's all over the net.
If you had really been Military, you would have remembered the questionnaire about killing Americans and pledging loyalty to the UN Forces.

ummmm nope. I don't remember anything like that


Dont you love it? laugh laugh laugh laugh

Monier's photo
Sat 05/02/09 10:01 AM


It's all over the net.
If you had really been Military, you would have remembered the questionnaire about killing Americans and pledging loyalty to the UN Forces.



Is this something new or for people deployed in hot spots overseas? I never saw any type of questionaire during my service on any topic at all. The military is not a democracy. There are statements you must sign based on your actions or inactions such as taking the Anthrax vaccine, but no type of BS 'what if' questionaire.

I've had riot and invasion training as well. When you take the oath to protect the homeland from all enemies foreign and domestic, you don't need to sign a paper later on to bind you to it again. If a threat is named by the government and troops are sent in, rest assured they will do their jobs professionally. If there is any question of breaking the law, the troops are also trained not to obey what they feel is an unlawful order.

What is the debate here? Too much web surfing I bet

Monier's photo
Sat 05/02/09 10:02 AM
another thing. No firing on defenseless citizens. That's a crock. All kinds of non lethal toys will be brought along.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 10:11 AM





U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.




Very good post Willing2

Some recent actions by the anti gun lobby supported by Obama is to attempt to ban all rifles that take clips and ban all existing ammunition with similar legislation. There is a very strong movement to move guns laws towards those of England, Canada, and Australia, which are very restrictive. The laws haven't worked either. Criminals that want guns are still able to get them and always will.

The scary part of your post is the movement by the government to remove the ability of the people to defend itself against government.


You cant seriously believe that Right wing blogg diatribe!
laugh laugh laugh laugh

Come-on willing time to reveal your source and link your post!

It's all over the net.
If you had really been Military, you would have remembered the questionnaire about killing Americans and pledging loyalty to the UN Forces.



So it appears willing that you are the only vet here who has taken such an oath!

If,.
You ever were really in the military???noway

willing2's photo
Sat 05/02/09 11:30 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 05/02/09 11:32 AM
It was distributed in 1994 on. After my time.

The following survey questions, except for the last one, were not reprinted in the July 11 New American article. They were forwarded by the magazine to the New Jersey Conservative PAC (NJCPAC, 2 Thornton Lane, Piscataway NJ 08854-5044 ph/fx:908-463-0797), which also reports that preliminary fact-finding at the base indicates that the “surveys came through the chain of command.” The questions are reproduced here with NJCPAC’s permission.

NJCPAC asks that anyone who knows of other administrations of this or similar COMBAT ARMS SURVEY(s) pls contact them or Congressmen Bob Dornan (ph:202-225-2965) or Duncan Miller (ph:202-225-5672 fx:202-225-0235).
COMBAT ARMS SURVEY
This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regards to nontraditional missions. All of your responses are confidential. Write your answers directly on the questionnaire form. In Part II, place an “X” in the space provided for your response.

1. Part I. Demographics What Service are you in?
2. What is your pay grade? (e.g. E-?, O-?)
3. What is your MOS code and description?
4. What is your highest level of education in years?
5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield?
6. How many months did you serve in Somalia?
7. What state or country did you primarily reside in during childhood?

Part II. Attitudes Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used within the United States for any of the following missions?
8. Drug enforcement
(___) (___) (___) (___) (___)
Strongly Agree agree No opinion Strongly disagree Disagree
9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes) [transcriber's note: questions #9 through #46 all provide the same range of response options as shown in question #8, above. The response options have been omitted from the remaining questions for brevity.]
10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)
11. Environmental disaster clean-up
12. Substitute teachers in public schools
13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping, environmental clean-up, road repair, animal control)
14. Federal and State prison guards
15. National emergency police force
16. Advisors to S.W.A.T units, the FBI, or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (B.A.T.F.)
17. Border patrol (e.g. prevention of illegal aliens into U.S. territory.) Do you feel that U.S. combat troops under U.S. command should be used in other countries for any of the following United Nations missions?
18. Drug enforcement
19. Disaster relief (hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
20. Environmental disaster clean-up
21. Peace keeping
22. Nation building/reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.)
23. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing) Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the United Nations for any of the following missions?
24. Drug enforcement
25. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)
26. Environmental disaster clean-up
27. Peace keeping
28. Nation building (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.
29. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing)
30. Police Action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, but serving under non-U.S. officers) Consider the following statements:
31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these exercises under U.S. command and control.
32. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises.
33. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops should serve under U.N. command and control during these exercises.
34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions as long as the U.S. has full command and control.
35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under United Nations command and control.
36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and noncommissioned officers (NCOs) at battalion and company levels while performing U.N. missions.
37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team. (e.g. fire team, squad, platoon)
38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company commander.
39. I feel the President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary General.
40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier.
41. I feel my unit’s combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing humanitarian missions for the United Nations.
42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the command and control of the United Nations.
43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. commander.
44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to give the U.N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace.
45. I would swear to the following code: “I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.”
46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.


nogames39's photo
Sat 05/02/09 11:35 AM

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.


Screw the constitution. Only governments have a right to bear arms.

Welcome to the tyranny.

no photo
Sat 05/02/09 11:54 AM
I remember taking the oath, but something about obeying the orders of the State Governor were added because we were National Guard.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 01:47 PM
All you have is a Right wing conspiracy blogg willing.
That's why you wont post a link!

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 05/02/09 01:53 PM
yep...i'm lost

willing2's photo
Sat 05/02/09 02:01 PM

yep...i'm lost


Boils down to, Support our 2nd Amendment and not allow BHO to disarm us.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 02:01 PM

yep...i'm lost


laugh laugh laugh

I think Bush makes this chit up in all the spare time he has since leaving office!

He's bored!
laugh laugh

Fanta46's photo
Sat 05/02/09 02:05 PM


yep...i'm lost


Boils down to, Support our 2nd Amendment and not allow BHO to disarm us.


You contradict your self wildman.

Just a min ago you said,

It was distributed in 1994 on.

BHO wasnt President then!!noway noway slaphead


willing2's photo
Sat 05/02/09 02:10 PM



yep...i'm lost


Boils down to, Support our 2nd Amendment and not allow BHO to disarm us.


You contradict your self wildman.

Just a min ago you said,

It was distributed in 1994 on.

BHO wasnt President then!!noway noway slaphead




Who has the power to effect the Patriot Act?
Support our 2nd Amendment.
I do, do you?