I'm trying to figure out some way to use the Law Of Attraction to stop the draconians.

Hiroshima was neither an accident or a coincidence.

Unthinkable.

Ridiculous.

Ignorant.

Disturbed.

Insane.

For anyone to even think that one of those children are responsible in any way for their own fate in that matter.

The Law of Attraction is bull****!!!

Why?

Just ignore them.

You feel that way becaus you do not hold to a higher spiritual order.

In fact, I can give you a very specific and current example of why the "Law of Attraction" cannot possible be true in my life.

Recently I wrote a totally silly love song for a woman on these very forums. The love song was written in a language that was foreign to me and I wrote the song entirely for fun and to brighten up someone's day. Hopefully to brighten up everyone's day who might hear the song.

Ok so my intent and feelings are totally loving, caring, and joyous with every intent of brightening up the world.

So what happens?

Someone close to me accuses me of hitting on another woman. All of a sudden I'm being accused of being a lowdown unscrupulous cad who just randomly hits on women and can't be trusted to be true to anyone.

Where did that come from?

Where's your "Law of Attraction" in this?

I put out a totally innocent playful intent to just brighten up everyone's world, and all of a sudden I find myself being accused of mean hateful hurtful and unscrupulous intent. Something that is totally untrue and was never the basis of my intent. It came entirely out of the blue from my point of view. I did not generate distrust or anything close to that. Yet this is the feedback that I'm 'attracting'.

So why would I be attracting feedback from the universe that is in complete disharmony with my original intent, feelings and purpose.

I should be getting back lighthearted laughter and positive uplifting feelings. Instead I find myself on the completely defense of totally false accusation that have absolutely nothing to do with the original vibrations that I put out into the universe.

Now how do you explain that?

How can it be that when we put out great feelings of well-intent and happiness, we get back ugly mean-hearted accusations of being a scum-bucket?

How does that fit in with your so-called "Law of Attraction"?

What did I do to deserve such horrific feedback from a gesture that was meant to be lighthearted loving fun?

Where's the Law of Attraction in that?

I should be getting back what I put out according to you. But clearly that's not the reality of what's actually happening. I put out great lighthearted positive vibes, and I get back horrific negative vibes that accuse me of being a dishonest scum-bucket. And I never did a dishonest act in the whole thing. I never made a false claim nor did anything to deceive or hide anything from anyone.

I don't see how there can be any such thing as any 'Law of Attraction' at work in this universe.

I just don't see the evidence for it. I see precisely the OPPOSITE actually happening in my life.

And that's NOT an affirmation, that's just an observation of what's ACTUALLY happening.



NO WAY!

You are absolutely wrong about this!

In the particualr case that I described above I was totally expecting that the response to my song would be laughter and joy.

I was totally taken completely off guard and by total surprise that this would be turned into something negative and that I would be accused of mean and hurtful behavior.

How could that have been an affirmation?

I was expecting JOY!

If I had any affirmations at all they were quite POSITIVE!

The FACT is that reality did not MATCH my affirmations!

You can't claim that what actually happens is an affirmation.

That's water over the damn!

When I report what actually unfolded in history you can't claim that this is an affirmation. It not! It's just a report of what actually unfolded historically!

You can't deny what has already happened and pass it off as an affirmation that's total bull sh*t.

If there is a Law of Attraction at play in this universe, I just don't see the evidence for it.

Moreover it SHOULDN'T REQUIRE my BELIEF.

It's either the way the universe works or it's not!

The universe either works on a "Law of Attraction" or it doesn't.

If I do good things with good intent I should attract the same.

If I put out Good Vibes and Good Thoughts, I should attract the same.

That's the very basis of how you claim the Law of Attraction works.

Yet no matter who good my thoughts and vibes are, I keep getting back negative crap.

How do you explain that without insinuating that I'm a liar?

It seems to me that your only recourse is to claim that I'm either lying or I have no clue what I'm actually doing.

I find both of those accusations highly offensive to be quite honest about it. You need to claim that I'm either dishonest or a completely idiot in order to save your Law of Attraction from being false.

That's a pretty pathetic way to have to support a philosophy don't you think?

You need to explain to me how it can be that I can put out good thoughts, good actions, with a totally pure heart, and in return get back bad thoughts, bad actions, and be acused of having an evil heart.

Where's the Law of Attraction in that?

And I even EXPECTED to get good thoughts, actions, and love back!

So don't give me this lame affirmation excuse!

I was expecting good vibes in return!

The bad vibes and bad thoughts caught me totally by surprise!

It could not have possibly been caused by bad affirmations on my part.

Were you really?? Yet your core believe systems states:

I can be in the greatest of spirits and and the most giving and forgiving mindset, yet very few people around me exhibit these same attributes and mannerims.

This is your affirmation. You still believe it. Until this core belief is changed, you will continue to manifest these types of experiences.

Your experiences will mount up over and over to reinforce your core belief. You will prove it to yourself over and over, that you are a victim and that the Law of Attraction does not work. This is what you believe.

It only proves that you will attract experiences that match your vibration and core beliefs.

(You have a strong momentum going in your core beliefs. This has to change gradually. You cannot convince yourself of something that you do not believe.)

If someone reacts to your good intentions in a negative way, that is them, not you. You should not let it effect you in a negative way.

You have no need to defend yourself against accusations that are not true. Truth is truth.

Just keep on generating divine love and good feelings. Do not allow others to change your vibrations or bring you down.

The statement (paragraph) above has a ring of sadness in it, and I will tell you why. Between the lines it suggests that people are living dark and gloomy lives.

It assumes that people need their day "brightened up." This implies you believe their day is gloomy and dark.

It also assumes that you believe that your song will do the job. This implies that by writing and performing the song, it did "brighten up" your gloomy day.

This illustrates that you felt your day as gloomy and dark, and you imagine someone else's day is also gloomy and dark or that gloomy and dark days are the norm.

So the happy little story above has already projected the beginning of a gloomy story... which it was.

(p.s. Also the term "hopefully" denotes that hope is needed but that the effort might fail. Therein is your expectation that failure is possible and your good intentions may be met with something negative or just be ineffective.---Which is in line with your core beliefs. )

There is energy in words and stories. This energy speaks volumes about the feeling behind the words and stories.

Well there you have it.

Your own confession that we are not responsible for attracting everything that comes our way.

You keep trying to hide behind this concept of affirmations but those are always being addressed to HISTORICAL TRUTHS.

If I say that this has always been the case in the past, that is NOT and affirmation that it will continue to alway hold true in the future. It's just an observation of the real world.

In fact, if I look back over my life and see that the Law of Attraction could not possibly have been working in the past, then WHY on Earth should I start to believe that the Law of Attraction will miraculously start working for me today?

You're just denying history and truth.

Where do you get the Law of Attraction from if you can't get it from OBSERVING the actual historical behavior of the universe?

The bottom line is that we do not attract the things that come to us, and you have even confirmed this when you said:



If I'm not responsible for the way other people react to me, then I'm not ATTRACTING their behavior, NOR their Actions.

It seems to me that this just unequivically shoots your "Law of Attraction" down.

It can't be true. We do not attract the reactions of others. And therefore we do not attract their actions. And therefore it would be senseless to claim that some mysterious law of attraction is in effect.

In what way?

Clearly, by your own admission above we do not attract the behavior or actions of others.

What's left to attract?

In fact, by your own admission above your Law of Attraction cannot possible apply to how we interact with other people.

So what exactly are the limitations of the Law of Attraction.

You used to claim that it would attract like-minded PEOPLE into our lives. But now that seems to be water over the dam.

Just how feeble is this Law of Attraction and what does it apply to if not our intereactions with other humans?

You are not responsible for what other people do or say or feel. You do not attract their behavior. You do not create their reality. You only create your own.

That you involved yourself with their reaction and took it personal is your own choosing.

You are not responsible for their reaction or for their beliefs.

You are only responsible for engaging in and participating in their little drama. That became the experience that you created.

You willingly engaged in their drama, making it YOUR experience. Why? Because you hoped for something different. Yet your core believe system states that these things happen all the time, have happened in the past... and will probably continue to happen in the future.

This you yourself have stated and believe. This drama you have chosen and willingly participated in instead of realizing that you do not control or create or attract other people's behavior.

Detach yourself from that and be who your are, with your good intentions and don't participate in their little drama's.

This whole post has to be the saddest post you've posted in a long time.

You say:



So what are you saying here?

That eveyone who tries do nice things for other people believes that their day is gloomy and dark?

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel beyond belief. Clearly you're at the end of your rope grasping for excuses to try to support a theory that cannot be supported in legitimate ways.

The truth is that our intentions and moods and actions only affect the world around us in varing degrees. Some people will react positively to positive intentions, moods and actions, and other peopole WON'T.

Thus there can be no such thing as a "Law of Attraction" because it isn't a constant that can be depended upon.

It simply doesn't exist.

Some times are good intentions, moods and actions will be recognized and responded to accordingly, and sometimes they WON'T.

There is no such thing as a "Law of Attraction" that DEMANDS that like intentions, moods, and actions, will always bring for the SAME.

That's just a fallacy. Not such absolute LAW exists.

The world is random.

Sometimes you get back what you put out, and sometimes you don't.

Period.

There is no such thing as a LAW of attraction that demands that you get back precisely what you put out.

It just doesn't exist.

Boy how I WISH such a law DID EXIST! My life would be far different from the way that it in in THIS universe where no such law is in effect.

Thank you!

That's all I needed to hear.

There is no such thing as a "Law of Attraction" regarding the behavior, moods, or actions of other people.

Gotcha!

~~~

Edited to add: When I said, "Gotcha", I simply meant, "I understand".

If you believed that people's lives were bright and cheerful, you would not feel that you needed to "brighten them up." Therefor you must basically believe that people's lives are gloomy and dark.

Abra, I don't mind if you don't believe in the law of attraction.

It is not my intention to convince anyone of anything. I make these posts on the premise that the law of attraction is true.

As I have said before, when and if you ever read the books I recommend, we can discuss the particulars in detail.

But you won't do that. So be it. So it is.

That is your choice.

That you willingly became involved in their drama and made it your own experience, that was the experience YOU created.

The thing to do is ignore their negative reactions, (as I ignore yours) and continue to do that which your good intentions and divine love leads you to do.

I have watched video presentations on the Law of Attraction, and I have read something published about it on the Internet. So I'm not totally clueless about it.

Besides, it doesn't matter who makes these statments. Like CreativeSoul pointed out I'm not about to accept the idea that eveyone at Hiroshima attracted the that catastropy to themselves.

You speak about discussing details and we've been through that one many times before in previous threads.

In order to believe that we attract everything that happens to us we'd have to believe that huge numbers of people just happen to be attracting the same events into their life at a partiular time, like in the case of the World Trade Centers, or Hiroshima, or even the Holocaust.

I just find that a bit difficult to swallow.

Then add to this that I don't personally feel that my life has unfolded based on my own personal moods, feelings, hopes and dreams.

I just see no 'evidence' to back up the claims of the Law of Attraction.

I've been marriage-minded and a family-oriented my entire life, yet I never attracted a marriage-minded family-oriented partner into my life.

So if the Law of Attraction doesn't work in this way, then in what way does it supposely work?

I think that's a valid question. And I have yet to see a reasonable answer.

All I keep hearing is that I'm sending out the wrong affirmations which I disagree is the case.

To me this sounds precisely like when the Christians say to me, "Well you just didn't ask Jesus with enough sincerety".

Baloney.

That's simply not true.

You're basically claiming the same thing. I just didn't believe hard enough that things would come to be.

MOREOVER! I would argue that such an argument does nothing for a concept of a "Law of Attraction!". Such a concept should be called the "Law of FAITH".

Because you truly aren't arguing that we attract like things dut to like thoughts, moods, and actions, but now you are attempting to claim that we attract them through AFFIRMATIONS!

So which is it?

Do we attract like things by like vibrations?

Or do we change our future by placing FAITH in DREAMS?

You seem to be trying to assert two entirely different philosophies here.

One time you assert that like vibrations attract one another.

The next moment your's claiming that faith and affirmation is the dirving force.

Just sounds like a bunch of jumping around grabbing at straws to me.

I think clearly how we APPLY ourselve in life will have an affect on how things will unfold. But there's no need to invoke any special laws for that one. That's already an accepted principle. And it's also accepted that sometimes things don't work out due to factors beyond our control.

It seems that you want to somehow deny that latter truth.

And if you don't deny it. Then why bother with some so-called Law of Attraction when you're really just acknowleging that sometimes we can make things work out and sometime we can't.

Most people already know that without appealing to any special law above and beyond the normal everyday struggles.

The problem with this hypothesis is the current method of testing to see if an affirmation was done correctly, or if you REALLY meant what you thought about was whether it came true . . . .

If it doesn't come true then you just didn't do it right, if it does then BAM proof.

The law of attraction is self fulfilling.

ie it cannot be tested until you can identify proper mental affirmations without it being based on the fulfillment of the desire.

This is just like any other woo woo BS. Its shrouded in confirmation bias.

Abra pretty much spelled it out in the first two pages. Nothing more needs to be said.

I do precisely that!

I know that I've done nothing wrong and there is no reason for me to feel negative. And so I don't feel negative.

But just the same I observe that my actions, feelings, emotions and moods, did not attract to me the same in return.

I'm just observing that I don't see any evidence for this so-called Law of Attraction.

I'm not complaining about it. I'm simply reporting that I see no evidence for it and that I'm actually observing the opposite affect.

It's a totally unbiased and non-emotional observation.

I just don't see any evidence that my actions, thoughts and moods attract the same back to me with any kind of consistency.

Sometimes they seem to, sometimes they clearly don't.

And I would say that this occurs totally at random at best.

So why should I believe in a "Law of Attraction" when all I see around me is randomness?

I'm just saying that I see no evidence for it.

That's all I'm saying. And I've tried to be really happy and positive in situations where other people were being negative and *****y and what I've discovered is that in most cases those people will continue to be negative and *****y.

Again, that's not an affirmation. It's a historical observation of actual events.

And how is it any different from religious claims?

If you pray and your prayers come true PRAISE GOD!

If you pray and your prayers don't come true, then either you weren't sincere enough, or God just didn't want to grant that particular prayer.

How is that any different from rolling dice and just saying, "Every time a 7 comes up is was God's WILL! Any other number is the work of the devil!"

Yeah right.