Exactly!

The method for this evaluation is good sound reason, which is always based upon that which can be demonstrated to exist.

There exists a huge difference betwen reasons that sound good and good sound reason.

It also depends upon the group who is doing the agreeing.

One group might agree that something is a fact when another group disagrees. So what an outsider has to face is to what authority will he align his beliefs.

You sound like one of those people who have just been 'saved'.

Based on what you've been posting I can see how this philosophy has had a dramatic affect on your life. And I can understand that.

But now you're basically assuming that I was as confused as you were before you realized that you were in control of your own life.

I've always been in control of my own life so there's no news there.

I think you just don't understand the concepts that JB has been supporting in the past. Her concepts conflict with the free will of others because she has demanded that everything that happens to us, we attract. Of course, she keeps going back and forth on that one. One day confessing that we don't control everything, and then the next day demanding that we do. I have no clue where she stands on that issue today.

In any case, I'm glad for you if you've found something that works for you.

I'm all for positive thinking and constructive intent.

You can't go wrong living in that mindset, that's for sure. :bidsmile:

Owl back that up any day!

"Where there's a will there's a way!"

That's always been my life's moto!

Positive thinking is GOOD!

I think the problem we're having here is truly one of semantics.

Jeanniebean is thinking of "philosophy" as nothing more than a mindset. (i.e. a way to view life)

Where Bushidobillyclub, CreativeSoul, and myself, are all viewing the subject of philosophy as it is studied in colleges. (i.e. rational thinking that is debated for the sake of discovering truth)

So we are attempting to debated it in this intellectual way.

Whilst you guys are trying to sell it more like a spiritual religious philosophy (a view of how to live life). A motivational mindset.

So it truly just comes down to totally different perseptives on "philosophy".

As a motivational philosophy I'm all for it!

But in the sense of professional philosophy as a description of reality it contains huge problems.

So we're not even in the same ballpark, much less playing the same game.

So it's just a clash of perspective.

A reasonable one will believe that which has been demonstrated by/with good sound reason... objectively! An unreasonable one will believe despite having been exposed to clear evidence to the contrary, subsequently placing confidence in a proposition/assertion which exists without reasonable/logical grounding.

It is not a matter of right or wrong, per se. It is a matter of what constitutes as reason to believe a proposition. If one holds no confidence in science, in spite of the overwhelming objective evidence which supports it, then one must believe in that which goes unsupported. Science does not.

In my view, it is a matter of being reasonable or unreasonable.

I agree.

What works for me may not work for others. I understand that. It is difficult to describe in words the things I believe in and why. You would have to know every intimate detail of my life to understand that.

I have often adjusted my attitude and belief, and even changed my core belief system when I could no longer abide it or make any sense of it.

It is all point of view. My point of view comes from the core of what I call self. My self. (What ever that is.) I know how to adjust my life and my point of view to take me from a point of fear to a point of Joy. The bottom line is what brings you joy? What brings you love? How do you love others? That is the bottom line. Happiness and joy about being alive and about living. I have found my joy. That is what matters to me.

My joy is within my being. I have found myself living in a reality that seems to be constructed like a dream of the mind. Curious. Very curious. It seems so real.... LOL. Perhaps we will call it real then and not concern ourselves with how it came to be that we are here, playing in this wonderful landscape which is very much like a fantasy Island.

It is difficult to know why we believe certain things. One one of my desires has always been simply to be understood.

In order to accomplish that, I have to be honest. Honest with myself first, then honest with others about how I feel, what I believe and if possible, why I believe it.

My hope has always been to find like minds, because like attracts like. (Law of Attraction) No one likes to be completely "alone."

And yet we seem to be alone in that respect because we, none of us, can agree on everything.

I will just say this one thing that I feel and I will hope that someone feels it with me.

I feel love. I feel a deep abiding joy.

Along with that, I feel the deepest sorrow when I see and feel the suffering of others. This poem that is in my profile expresses it best.




(Ace of Cups) DIVINE LOVE


Open heart

by Jeanniebean
8/26/2008

Forgiveness is for giving
and it will set you free

Forgive yourself and others
Be who you want to be

Put the past behind you
Look at this new day

Lay down your sword my brother
For love has come this way.

A shining light has risen
Its beauty you can't miss

The breath of life is given
In love's first precious kiss.

How can I say I'm sorry
for any act done less

less than the greatest love
and joy and happiness

I can't reach the depth
of my joy and sorrow

with words I must confess
here is my love, now and tomorrow.





************************************

"Open Heart" is very beautiful writing. Thank you for sharing this!

Billy, where do you get off:


I'm sure your confusing this forum with the Calculus course. In here, NOBODY OWES YOU (or anybody else) ANYTHING!!! Its a free expression of personal beliefs and opinions... You are free skipping over the post which you disagree with! BUT DEMANDING THE PROOF -- LOL -- where do you get off? ? ? * * * * * * * * * *

____________________________ A SAYING:
Reasonable people try to fit the World...
Unreasonable ones persist in attempting to fit the World to themselves...
THEREFORE,
THE PROGRESS DEPENDS UPON THE UNREASONABLE PEOPLE!!! * * * * * * * *
=========================*========================

"As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he."

"Give and it shall be given...."

"What you do unto others shall be done unto you"

"We reap what we sow"

"If we know that He hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we

have the petitions that we desired of him."

((((((JeannieBean)))))

The Law of Attraction Works

(although I am sure , like anything else out there, you are

gonna find things written about the law of attraction ...

that may be blown waaayyy out in left field ) .....

but in learning about the law of attraction

and making it work ,

let's not forget .....

that no law of attraction..or any other law out there


can fill that empty Void in every man's soul...

planted there by God Himself.....

so man would eventually seek God...and come to know

Him.

Too.

And Not just settle fro the law of attraction.


KNOWING GOD can bring fulfillment and blessings

and goodness ....into our lives too.


More than any law of attraction can.


God Already Wants to Give us Good things in Life ...

a Life of Prosperity and Blessings.... more than we want .

God Wants to Give Us Life....and a Life More Abundant.

But He also gives Peace and Fulfillment for our Souls ...

and gives New Life to Our Spirit.


In Getting to Know about the Law of Attraction...

Continue Getting to Know God.

Too.

...Your Beautiful Soul Shines thru Your Poem, Jeannie...

________________INTIMATE FRIENDSHIP_______________(2006)

___ . We're getting close much too fast
___ . And disregarding limits and restriction...
___ . But, contrary to my initial conviction,
___ . I fear loosing you in depths of lust!!!

___ . I cherrish sweet togetherness we share,
___ . Yet, I'm not ready for a major plunge...
___ . Don't tempt me, darling, I don't dare
___ . To burn the bridges of retreat behind!

___ . This tender intimacy mixed with friendship
___ . Is all that I can share (now)...
___ . But even that, my charm, is more than you can handle
___ . Until your heavens cleared off the "stormy clouds"! (divorce)

___ . Oh, I wish we could just leave the world behind,
___ . Take all worries out of our minds,
___ . Spread our wings and fly so far away...
___ . (Well, I guess, you know, dear, what I mean to say!)

. . . . . . . . . . . P.S.
___ . Don't give me reasons to impress you
___ . And don't impress me, darling, please.
___ . Don't let me kiss you and carress you
___ . For I don't know where will all that lead...

" If you don't like the results in your life, you need to change your thoughts."

Ok...that statment above only works, if one wants to change

the results in

his/her life...but not everyone wants to.

It would mean having to take responsibility for one's life...

and no longer putting the blame on others.


And of course,I am talking about people, who ARE capable

of making

decisions for their lives....

and have their mental capacities fully developed already.


However, I do NOT believe any of the law of attraction , applies

to innocent children ....

who are not yet capable of making mature and sound decisions

for their lives yet....

simply because their thinking and decision making ability is

not fully developed yet.

Therefore they are NOT responsible for what happens to them.

In ANY way.

To tell a child otherwise, would be very destructive for that child .

Point being....even the law of attraction can become

misunderstood and misapplied..if one is not careful !!!

The same goes for misunderstanding and misapplying scriptures

in ones life too ..


The same goes for anything else in life.


Btw..

Norman Vincent Peal..."The Power of Positive Thinking" is another Good book to read.

If the book is even still around, that is...

Although I have barely had time to read but just a

few posts here in this thread so far,

I just had to say something here:


I notice that Jeannie has a heart to SHARE this info on the law

of attraction ... WITH OTHERS.....

and not just keep it all to herself !!!


Despite our differences in spiritual beliefs,

I have great love, respect and admiration for Jeannie !!!


Anyone that knows here on here, can clearly see that Jeannie


is a loving, caring, good natured, kind hearted, joyful,good,


genuine , positive, even tempered ,

and very special and beautifuL young lady !!! .


Now if I could just get her saved!!!



Keep Sharing from the heart as you do here, Jeannie....

and

Stay That Special Person That You Are ,Always!!!

God Bless You Always, Jeannie !!!

Children put out thoughts and vibrations just the same as adults do. Most in the form of feeling. Their thinking is just as capable of creating and attracting experiences as anyone else. Thoughts are not dependent on the use of language, in fact, original thought has no language at all. It is feeling and images.

Humans are thinking centers. The vibrations they put forth are there regardless of their age. Thinking centers put out vibrations. Like vibrations attract like vibrations. That is the Law of Attraction.

Fear attracts fear, love attracts love. This is just the vibration. These are vibrations at the basic level.

What love vibrations and fear vibrations create in the way of experiences can be many different things depending on the individuals involved.

The argument that 'innocent children' are not responsible is a powerful and emotional argument because we certainly do not hold children responsible for anything. But that does not change anything about the Law of attraction and vibration. Like vibrations still attract like vibrations. This does not mean that a child is 'to blame' for anything. That is what seems to bother a lot of people. They attribute vibrational attraction with placing 'blame' or with 'being responsible.' Only humans do this. Animals don't do this.

It does not place blame. There is no judgment. It just is.

No, you don't attempt to tell a child about this, because they cannot understand these things. Even most adults can't understand the law of attraction, so I would not expect a child to understand it. What you do with a child, as with anyone, is just put out your own vibrations of love towards that person or child. You can never go wrong if you just love.

Love is always felt, and it is seldom understood logically.

M.S.

If you truly understood that God IS LOVE, you would realize that I am already saved.

Ok.....

You said children are NOT RESPONSIBLE for anything.


Just like the bible also doesn't hold children

accountable yet.....until a certain age.


But I also seriously do NOT believe that an innocent child

attracts harm to himself or herself....either!!!!

For instance, an innocent child that is brutally raped,

did NOT attract that rape !!!

Or..a baby in the womb that is aborted....did NOT attract

the abortion!!!

That is where the LOA is misunderstood and misrepresented...

and gets misconscrued...and gets taken wayyy out into left

field....just like some people do with scriptures !!!

We look at it differently.

But I am not gonna a worry about it.

Cause God ain't done with either one of us.