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Topic: Is the swine flu spreading?
willing2's photo
Tue 04/28/09 05:10 PM
Like was posted on another thread. Media hype. More folks die per year with regular flus. It's just the season and Mexico, being as they are, didn't stock up on preventions.
It still hasn't caught up with the alleged 7,000 people killed in Juarez.

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 04/28/09 06:37 PM
Mexico is also a slime pit of a nation. They live predominately in squalor and are ripe for a nice little bug to mop an ass load of them off the earth. Face it, this is not like the Bubonic plague and if that hit Mexico they would be screwed sixteen ways to Sunday.

Think the border situation is bad now imagine if a disease really were wiping them out? People would flat out be killing border hoppers to keep the infection from spreading to us and the Border Patrol would be out gunned by scared citizens.

the media sucks because they have to sensationalize everything unnecessarily just like Global Warming which is a total crock of SH*T.

metalwing's photo
Tue 04/28/09 07:00 PM
Yeah, it is just the flu. I would rather have the flu than a cold. You feel like crap for a couple and days then you are back to normal. This is not a bioweapon. It can kill a weakened person but so can a common cold. The mexican version seems to be a little nasty.

Global warming is real. If you don't see it, you haven't lived long enough to watch things change.

Winx's photo
Tue 04/28/09 07:20 PM

Yeah, it is just the flu. I would rather have the flu than a cold. You feel like crap for a couple and days then you are back to normal. This is not a bioweapon. It can kill a weakened person but so can a common cold. The mexican version seems to be a little nasty.

Global warming is real. If you don't see it, you haven't lived long enough to watch things change.


Metalwing,

The big problem with influenza is that older people can get pneumonia as a secondary infection. That's what can kill them. Just saying.

I believe global warming is real too, btw. So do the majority of scientists.

metalwing's photo
Tue 04/28/09 08:04 PM


Yeah, it is just the flu. I would rather have the flu than a cold. You feel like crap for a couple and days then you are back to normal. This is not a bioweapon. It can kill a weakened person but so can a common cold. The mexican version seems to be a little nasty.

Global warming is real. If you don't see it, you haven't lived long enough to watch things change.


Metalwing,

The big problem with influenza is that older people can get pneumonia as a secondary infection. That's what can kill them. Just saying.

I believe global warming is real too, btw. So do the majority of scientists.


Good point Winx. I was just trying to point out the void between the common flu and a bioweapon. The media does tend to hype. The Mexican Swine Flu appears to be a more deadly strain than what is in the US and may turn out to be a big problem. The odd thing about this flu is that it does not tend to target the elderly. I'll see if I can locate that source for a post.
Thanks.

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 04/28/09 08:13 PM

Mexico is also a slime pit of a nation. They live predominately in squalor and are ripe for a nice little bug to mop an ass load of them off the earth. Face it, this is not like the Bubonic plague and if that hit Mexico they would be screwed sixteen ways to Sunday.

Think the border situation is bad now imagine if a disease really were wiping them out? People would flat out be killing border hoppers to keep the infection from spreading to us and the Border Patrol would be out gunned by scared citizens.

the media sucks because they have to sensationalize everything unnecessarily just like Global Warming which is a total crock of SH*T.
spock The people deserve to die because they are born into poverty?spock

metalwing's photo
Tue 04/28/09 08:21 PM
Here is a version of the data I found which stated that the young and elderly were not targeted. Various sources say the same thing and just as many mention the opposite.



Quote:
Originally Posted by japonica View Post
"the reason the healthy 20-40 group tended to perish was the reaction of their immune system to the virus... something about cytokine storm."


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/51913.php

Quote:
"Young healthy adults, in the prime of their lives in the morning, drowning in their own inflammation by noon, grossly discolored by sunset, were dead at midnight... An overwhelming immune response to the influenza virus - white blood cells releasing large amounts of inflammatory agents called cytokines and chemokines into the lungs of the doomed - resulted in millions of deaths in 1918."
The article has interesting information on how vitamin D prevents the flu. I am taking 5,000 IU right now just in case. I'm not really worried.
Last edited by Sileree; 04-26-2009 at 11:47 PM. Reason: typos

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From what I gather the healthier you are, the more danger you are in if this type of strain infects. The deaths appear to be caused by the strength of the immune response, i.e., there is so much inflammation of the lung tissue that you can't transfer oxygen anymore.

(Winx, this does not negate anything you said.)
Vitamin D anyone?
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nogames39's photo
Tue 04/28/09 09:45 PM
Vitamin D

Winx's photo
Tue 04/28/09 10:29 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 04/28/09 10:30 PM
Metalwing,

I think that this is the big mystery about the swine flu. Why is that age group getting it and not the very young and the elderly? Now you're showing that the Spanish Flu did the same thing. The usual influenza cases don't do that.

That's an interesting article. Thank you.



AndyBgood's photo
Tue 04/28/09 11:05 PM
The earth has ALWAYS gone through changes in the weather. Geologically speaking the last 10K years the earth has enjoyed the most stable weather it ever has. Once upon a time it was nothing but a massive desert. Others a massive Popsicle. Don't forget the last real bad ice age was just before our written history and that is not very long. What, may be 10 K years or so?

Face it, we are going to see several species die out in our life times such as Polar Bears, Pandas, and Tigers for starters. At least Polar bears and tigers are somewhat adaptive but the Panda is flat out screwed. They are the least adaptive. With geological activity on the rise it is little wonder that the climate is warming. Industry does not exactly help but then again it is adapting. There are also the doom theorists who predict crap and utter nonsense like in the movie 10.0 and the Day After. Those theories are utter piles of manure rich in methane! The fact is that vulcanism produces more green house gas then all of our industries globally.

Global warming and cooling are both parts of the natural order. We are not the only ones tipping the balance. People need to get a grip on the reality of it. We are over populating and that is that. Soon nature is going to hit the reset switch if we can not get a grip on ourselves.

I remember back in 1978 it was December and it was over 100 degrees F for a week straight in Los Angeles. Back then it was Indian Summer. Now it is "FREAK OUT AND RUN FOR THE HILLS! FOSSIL FUELS ARE KILLING US!!!" Once upon a time there was no polar ice caps. This is part of a greater cycle we do not see yet. Once upon a time Siberia was not frozen. Now it is thawing out.

Now let us look at the whole drought issue. Let us take the State of California for example. Once upon a time we built Aqueducts to feed the cities and agriculture but at the time there was only a few million people at best expected to use the system. Now it is far longer than the builders expected the system to work and now there is several times more people than the system was designed for depending on water delivery. The media gets all whipped up and starts crying "WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER BECAUSE WE ARE IN A DROUGHT!" Stone cold CRAP! We are out of water because between people and agriculture we are using up faster than we an get it. That is a shot of REAL for you folks. The city of New York is diverting an entire RIVER to feed their water needs because of their population. Between Los Angeles, San Diego, and the San Joaquine valley we suck the Colorado river DRY before it hits Mexico.

I can sum it up in two words, HUMAN OVERPOPULATION!


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Thomas3474's photo
Tue 04/28/09 11:07 PM
Bad time to be a Aethist.

no photo
Wed 04/29/09 04:19 AM

Bad time to be a Aethist.
God will keep you from getting it?rofl Please explain that to the kids who have caught it and died...We all know what kinda of sinners they are!!!

Winx's photo
Wed 04/29/09 05:28 AM


Bad time to be a Aethist.
God will keep you from getting it?rofl Please explain that to the kids who have caught it and died...We all know what kinda of sinners they are!!!


An American 22 mth. old baby in TX died from it.

franshade's photo
Wed 04/29/09 05:41 AM
frown just read about it Winx

Winx's photo
Wed 04/29/09 06:30 AM

frown just read about it Winx


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metalwing's photo
Wed 04/29/09 08:26 AM

The earth has ALWAYS gone through changes in the weather. Geologically speaking the last 10K years the earth has enjoyed the most stable weather it ever has. Once upon a time it was nothing but a massive desert. Others a massive Popsicle. Don't forget the last real bad ice age was just before our written history and that is not very long. What, may be 10 K years or so?

The last ice age is probably what made us who we are today. The last ten thousand years of stable weather is what has allowed us to civilize. The reason for the ten thousand year span of stable weather is a "heat engine" powered by warm equatorial water causing the Gulf Stream to flow North. The arctic ice melts and falls to the bottom of the ocean and flows South to balance the equation. If the arctic melt has insufficient flow to balance the Gulf Stream, the flow stops, the heat engine stops, the Gulf Stream stops, and stable weather stops. Yes the movies made like "the Day After" are junk but look and the actual scientific data the goofy writers were getting their data from.

Face it, we are going to see several species die out in our life times such as Polar Bears, Pandas, and Tigers for starters. At least Polar bears and tigers are somewhat adaptive but the Panda is flat out screwed. They are the least adaptive. With geological activity on the rise it is little wonder that the climate is warming. Industry does not exactly help but then again it is adapting. There are also the doom theorists who predict crap and utter nonsense like in the movie 10.0 and the Day After. Those theories are utter piles of manure rich in methane! The fact is that vulcanism produces more green house gas then all of our industries globally.

We are not looking at a few species dying. We have already seen thousands die and are looking at thousands more. The rise in carbon dioxide is directly related to the rise in industry, especially since 1900. There is no volcanic explanation for this trend. The rise in global temperature is directly related to the rise in Carbon Dioxide.

Global warming and cooling are both parts of the natural order. We are not the only ones tipping the balance. People need to get a grip on the reality of it. We are over populating and that is that. Soon nature is going to hit the reset switch if we can not get a grip on ourselves.

You are basically correct except that we ARE the ones tipping the balance and it is because of overpopulation.

I remember back in 1978 it was December and it was over 100 degrees F for a week straight in Los Angeles. Back then it was Indian Summer. Now it is "FREAK OUT AND RUN FOR THE HILLS! FOSSIL FUELS ARE KILLING US!!!" Once upon a time there was no polar ice caps. This is part of a greater cycle we do not see yet. Once upon a time Siberia was not frozen. Now it is thawing out.

Now let us look at the whole drought issue. Let us take the State of California for example. Once upon a time we built Aqueducts to feed the cities and agriculture but at the time there was only a few million people at best expected to use the system. Now it is far longer than the builders expected the system to work and now there is several times more people than the system was designed for depending on water delivery. The media gets all whipped up and starts crying "WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER BECAUSE WE ARE IN A DROUGHT!" Stone cold CRAP! We are out of water because between people and agriculture we are using up faster than we an get it. That is a shot of REAL for you folks. The city of New York is diverting an entire RIVER to feed their water needs because of their population. Between Los Angeles, San Diego, and the San Joaquine valley we suck the Colorado river DRY before it hits Mexico.

You are mostly right here also. However, a lack of rainfall has played an important part as well as the lack of snow in the areas around the Rockies. If you look farther East from California you will see the large lakes in New Mexico which have serious problems with lack of water over the last ten years or so but are in low population areas. California also has a problem with Selenium poisoning of the cropland due to the evaporative use of high mineral content groundwater.

I can sum it up in two words, HUMAN OVERPOPULATION!

Human overpopulation is the big problem. It is so big that it is causing the weather to change and affect global ecosystems.
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