Past moments are memories and "information." They exist, but only in the mind matrix as memory.

The future too, is like a dream of things to come. A probability. a path not yet chosen. It does not have actual existence either except in the mind.

These do exist, but they exist only within the mind.

But I believe that time travel is possible.

How is that possible you might ask.

Because this present reality and this present moment are also contained and exist within the mind!! Reality arises from the core of consciousness and is sustained and maintained by our attention upon what we have manifested and continue to agree upon.

The only way time travel could be possible is if the present place we are in (NOW) is the same mind substance as the past and the future.

Einstein proved that time travel was possible. The Montauk project is a story that many people believe and continue to tell stories about. It is about the use of the mind and frequency to travel through time.

If we live in a mind world that is constructed like a holographic dream matrix then time travel is indeed possible and dimensions of space-time are simply coordinates that will locate a particular event within that matrix.

All objects you see are vibratory in nature. Each thing has its own unique frequency. Everything you see is light and sound and reflection.

You cannot actually measure a quantum unit of time or space. You cannot actually measure a particle. That is because they do not exist as solid measurable matter with unchanging integrity.

The only thing that causes this dream reality to seem real is the expert construction of our senses and inner workings of the programs and laws that hold it together and make it work. It is our reality and we did a great job creating it and convincing ourselves it is real.

Hats off to us.

No, you have it all wrong.

Randomness does exist on it's own. Randomness does not arise from conscious will. It's enables conscious will.

Without randomness there would be no ability to have conscious will. It's an enabler, not the consequence of conscious will.

It's the attribute of the physical hologram that enables concious will. But it still exist entirely in its own right without conscious will.

I don't understand why you have such a phobia of randomness. I guess you just don't feel save if everything isn't under some sort of control.

However, randomness is not the same as completely happenstance and this is the part you probably aren't recognizing.

The universe truly is like dice.

When you roll a pair of dice you might think that the outcome will be random and supposedly it will be, especially in this quantum universe where randomness is permitted.

However, it's not complete chaos. The dice where previously painted with whole number representations on their faces. In fact, they were created with finite many faces.

Only certain numbers can come up. In the case of a pair of dice that would be the whole numbers from 2 thru 12. You'll never get 2.5, or 3.6, etc. You can only get the whole numbers 2 thru 12.

So you see, in this way it's both random and controlled.

Even God has no clue what numbers will come up on the cosmic dice. But in the way described above, God will never be surprised by what comes up on the dice because God knows what the possiblities are and what they are not!

You'll never roll a fractional number for example, neither will you roll a number that is beyond the scope of the dice.

In this way God gave us randomness that is controlled.

It's not chaos or total unpredicable happenstance. Everything is random only within the parameters allowed.

In fact, this is what a lot of people misunderstand about Quantum Mechanics. They think that Quantum Mechanics is saying that anything can happen and that everything is totally unpredicable.

That's false. In fact, Quantum Mechanics wouldn't even work if that were true!

Everything works within well-defined probabilities within those probabilies things are totally random but they can't produce results that are not within those probabilies.

But, no you're wrong. It does not require a conscious observer to roll the dice. The dice are being rolled all the time whether any conscious beings are observing them or not.

In fact, this is the crux of the parable of Schrodinger's Cat.

I won't go into that because it's clouded with much literature of people attempting to use Schrodinger's Cat to prove that the unvierse must be observer dependent. But in fact, Schrodinger's Cat is not saying that at all.

Schrodinger's Cat is actually a parable about superposition. But superposition does not need to be resolved by conscious observation.

In any case, as far as I can see you're just paranoid of true randomness. But that's an understandable fear. You just don't recognize that randomness is a necessary part of the game, and you somehow fear that it will steal control away from your perfectly well-defined and predicable universe.

In a very real sense you're basically demanding a compeltely deterministic universe that is determined by conscious will.

I think what you fail to recognize is that to place an element of randomness in the mix does not spoil the soup.

It's a controlled randomness. Just like tossing dice. Only certain numbers can come up. You're not going to be surprised.

But you have FORFEITED control of the outcome. This is something that you refuse to accept. For some reason you seem to need to believe that you are in absolute full control of your destiny and fate and that any random element in the universe would steal you of your power to be in full control.

I would just give you the same rules you claim as a premise to your philosophy:

1.) We are spiritual beings having human experiences.
2.) This world is a world of duality, 'good' and 'evil.'
3.) This world is one of life and death and extreme experiences.
4.) We are here because we chose to be here.
5.) We agreed to the rules of the game and the laws of this reality.
6.) We have a will of our own in which to direct our own lives.

You agreed to giving up total control before you came here.

And now that you're here you refuse to believe that you did that.



The sooner you accept that you are not in full control of everything the soon you can relax and accept that some things truly are random and beyond your control.

In fact you're into Tarot!

What is the Chariot card trying to tell you?

Give it up babe! You're just dust in the wind like the rest of us.

Knowing.....



.....just is.





Thinking....




....just isn't.

I am not paranoid of true randomness. You can babble on and on using your scientific psycho babel but that does not change one single thing. And it fails to impress me at this point. I don't think you know what you babble about.

Just like a particle does not exist, and a increment of time does not exist and zero does not exist and NOTHING does NOT EXIST,

RANDOMNESS DOES NOT EXIST.

Randomness cannot "allow" anything.

you said: "It enables conscious will."

You said "it still exist entirely in its own right without conscious will. "

That is hilarious.

NO MEASURABLE PORTION OF ANY THING CALLED RANDOMNESS CAN BE FOUND OR PROVEN TO EXIST OR HAVE ANY EFFECT ON ANYTHING.

It cannot enable anything. It cannot "allow anything." It does not exist as a thing to be able to have any effect on any other thing.

You said:



First, I NEVER HAVE CLAIMED to be in "full control of everything." EVER.

Please stop making statements and claiming that I made them.. AS YOU ALWAYS DO. You are being very misleading and it lacks honesty.

All I have ever done is state that I have taken total responsibility for my circumstances and experiences and my life in its full and detailed entirety.

The sooner you stop playing the roll of VICTIM and take full responsibility for your life and experiences the sooner you can have a little hope and faith and direction in your life.

Are you implying that my life is hopeless?

Talk about putting words in people's mouths.

You're putting hoplessness in my entire life.

Talk about being CONTROLLING!

I think you're more interested in defining my life than you are in defining your own.

I don't care what you believe to be perfectly honest about it. If it makes you happy to deny randomness that's the only truth that matters.

I'm just offering debate to keep the forums rolling along.

It's just random debate anyway.

Like Jess Lee always says, "Just Be".

That's the one constant that will always remain constant.

No measurable portion or amount of any "thing" called "randomness" can be found to exist or to have any effect on any other "thing."

If Randomness, as you say, has "no conscious will" then how on earth can you say that it "allows," exists "on its own" or "enables" anything let alone "conscious will."

How can randomness, that has no will of its own, enable a such a thing that as conscious will to do anything.

Totally careless and absurd and illogical assertions.


I assert that CONSCIOUS WILL IS RANDOMNESS.

No, but you have implied it several times.

And I have read your cards.

Just funnin ya!

Thanks for keeping the forums alive!

Hey!

That invasion of privacy!

You little clairvoyant peeping tom!

Yep. hehehehehe

All behavior can be bolied down...? Not yet!

There are many times which one has no idea what it is that they will do in a given situation until it happens. Even then, the same person, in the same scenarion on more than one occasion may act differently. The same amount of hormones can produce quite different results in action and/or thought...

What would a refutation of either claim look like?

Free will does not exist. That I will agree upon.

Randomness, does not equate to all things intangible, at least not from my perspective. To compare it to 'the olden days' is like comparing a thing with reason, purpose, and/or intent to that which exists without.

There is no comparison.

We agree that when presented with a decision, the choice may be unknown by all parties, but that is only because we are limited by our current knowledge and understanding of the chemical interactions. As our understanding of such interactions increases it will become easier predict outcomes.
I believe randomness is just a term we given to things we do not yet understand. Many things we once considered as beyond understanding have been revealed to indeed be within the grasp of science to explain. So it is my hypothesis that all randomness can be with time and study be found to be predictable and understood.

This argument requires that the chemical combinations be the cause of all action and/or thought. That has yet to have been established, and it very well may be a self-perpetuating system. There is no evidence to demand otherwise, is there?




I want to say that I understand the sentiment. There are indeed many things which were previously attributed to some transcendental cause which have been explained away by science. It does not follow that all things eventually will. It also does not mean that all chanhes are necessarily correct, just more-so than before, based upon our current knowledge.

Do you know of evidence to suggest we anything more or do you have alternative idea?



There may well always be something which science has yet to explain. Science ceases to be science if it refuses to see the possibility that new discoveries can change our current understandings.

Is it possible to act without thinking?

Without conscious thought, yes I think so.

Programed response. (But you are the one who did the programing.)

How could this line of thought be effectively established. Not that I am disagreeing, just wondering what the construct would look like. What would need to be established as preconditions, or building blocks?

I do actually disagree with the self-programming aspect, but that should be clarified, either way, in a good argument for or against the notion.

Surely instinctual actions are not programmed. What about sleep, fight or flight are those programmed responses?



Do you consider basic bodily functions to be actions?

As I type this post I do so without thinking where the letters are on the keyboard. I could not even tell you where they are or draw a diagram of where they are. My fingers (or brain) has just been "programed" to type the words as I think the words. I don't think about where the letters are.

I drive a stick shift without 'thinking' about shifting. I do it automatically. It was not that way to begin with, I had to 'learn' or program myself to do so.

We do many things unconsciously. I guess you can call that 'thought' but it seems more like unconscious thought... perhaps it is still 'thought' just unconscious.

Programming is learned responses. Things that are learned become automatic and are done without much conscious thought. Still, it is thought, so perhaps we can't say that we act without 'thinking.'

In order to simplify this area of the discussion I believe it first needs to be well defined.

Fight or flight responses are 'reptilian-based' and purely instinctual at first, and are directly linked to known chemical reactions. However, there are inherent difficulties in knowing whether or not what was purely instinctual is still as such, or whether that instinctual response has been altered in some way by using conscious thought; Such as the case through practiced self-control or a change in confidence through experience.

I personally find the 'programming' analogy to be useless... it unnecessarily invokes the need for a programmer. A programmer invokes purpose, intent, and/or reason. It also equates nature with a human.

If programming is 'learned responses' then what are ones which are not learned?