Topic: 2012 cataclysmic changes from a polar shift
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Tue 04/14/09 02:52 PM


I love this wild imaginative stuff, really makes me wonder who falls for this crap.

Let me ask a few questions here, maybe someone will give me a great big laugh and try to answer them.

1) why would gravity be affected AT ALL by a change in magnetic north? I mean it moves around already without gravity being effected at all. There is no physics to support the EM field generated by earth having any e/affect on earth's gravity well.

2) why would the axis of the earth be effected by the magnetic field changing orientation? Magnetic north is already NOT the same as true north now is it? Hmm wonder why that is? Maybe you should do some self education to help yourself better battle these wild claims. Do you realize how much force would be needed to spin the earth over? Where would this force come from? The object exerting a magnetic field is not moved by that magnetic field unless another field comes close, they must enteract to have an effect on the objects . . . so please explain this . . .

3) why 2012? Because the Myan's knew something we don't? Because every year when our calenders end it means the end of the world or do we just start a new one?


PS solar activity has declined , and stabilized over the last 10 years . . . . so your data is even WRONG.

Man this stuff is just too easy to bat down sometimes.




the problem with the poles shifting is that the proverbial "they" think it will be a gradual process and that there will be scattered failures of the magnetic field across the planet (sort of like a hole in the ozone) and that the deadly cosmic rays will will able to hit the earth without being guided to the poles by the field

No where in that entire article he posted did it mention anything remotely scientific.

Cosmic rays, emm perhaps. Our atmosphere does most of the heavy lifting of absorbing this energy.

Still, nothing doomsday relating to pole changes. Nothing to see here, move along.

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David. When I read junk. Yes my motive is always to bat it down. But don't put the chart before the horse. It was junk first, then batted down second.

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Wed 04/15/09 08:46 PM
laugh drinker laugh

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Wed 04/15/09 11:41 PM

The following link is a interview with Brent Miller regarding a potential polar shift in 2012. Would our government inform the general public?***************************************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzlCha41FqI
Coming Polar Shift - 2012

________________________________________________________________ Actually, I've heard of this phenomenon happening Every 3-4 millions of years -- give or take a few centuries! (Why else would the dinosaurs have disappeared? After all, a meteor could create quite a devastating calamity of the local scale, but not Global!)
I just never thought I would be so "lucky" to live through another end of the world... (pending the confirmation, of course * * *)

And, from the comments posted, I can see a lot of people sharing my disappointment... (unfortunately, hiding one’s head under the wing, like an ostrich -- disbelieving the inevitable -- would not change anything...)

Nevertheless, scientists aren't always capable of predicting the weather precisely -- not to mention such a global catastrophe! Therefore, there's no reason in warning the public before the precise date & time is known for sure. Otherwise, the total chaos might (and probably will) ensue! Can you imagine what will happen, if all the means of communication would transmit an announcement: PEOPLE, BRACE YOURSELF (AND REMAIN CALM, PLEEEEEASE): IN 3 DAYS THERE’S GONNA BE A GLOBAL DESTRUCTION! ! !

Undoubtedly, a fleet of space shutles will be dispached -- preserving the best of Humanity's... And, in time, everything will repeat all over again! ! !


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Thu 04/16/09 12:05 AM
Well... what IS scientific fact is that the Earth is not only on a tilted rotation, but a wobbly one as well. In fact, several geologists have theorized that our increasingly unstable weather is due to the increasingly wobbly rotation, which could (at least theoretically) explain what is "global warming" AND the pole-shifting theory.

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Thu 04/16/09 12:22 AM

Well... what IS scientific fact is that the Earth is not only on a tilted rotation, but a wobbly one as well. In fact, several geologists have theorized that our increasingly unstable weather is due to the increasingly wobbly rotation, which could (at least theoretically) explain what is "global warming" AND the pole-shifting theory.

maybe when there's chrismas in july the cubs will win the series.

ah, who am i kidding? they'll never win the series.



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Thu 04/16/09 12:53 AM
The magnetic poles have changed many times and the earth has wobbled just a bit in 4 billion years. If you want to argue about gravity, time, mass, or energy in the universe then disprove Einstein's theory of relativity. Good luck. Seems tough.
Thanks for making me think people!

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Thu 04/16/09 04:32 PM
A wobble will not create global warming, or cooling. It will create seasonal change . . . that does not = global avg temp change.

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Thu 04/16/09 04:39 PM



I love this wild imaginative stuff, really makes me wonder who falls for this crap.

Let me ask a few questions here, maybe someone will give me a great big laugh and try to answer them.

1) why would gravity be affected AT ALL by a change in magnetic north? I mean it moves around already without gravity being effected at all. There is no physics to support the EM field generated by earth having any e/affect on earth's gravity well.

2) why would the axis of the earth be effected by the magnetic field changing orientation? Magnetic north is already NOT the same as true north now is it? Hmm wonder why that is? Maybe you should do some self education to help yourself better battle these wild claims. Do you realize how much force would be needed to spin the earth over? Where would this force come from? The object exerting a magnetic field is not moved by that magnetic field unless another field comes close, they must enteract to have an effect on the objects . . . so please explain this . . .

3) why 2012? Because the Myan's knew something we don't? Because every year when our calenders end it means the end of the world or do we just start a new one?


PS solar activity has declined , and stabilized over the last 10 years . . . . so your data is even WRONG.

Man this stuff is just too easy to bat down sometimes.




the problem with the poles shifting is that the proverbial "they" think it will be a gradual process and that there will be scattered failures of the magnetic field across the planet (sort of like a hole in the ozone) and that the deadly cosmic rays will will able to hit the earth without being guided to the poles by the field

No where in that entire article he posted did it mention anything remotely scientific.

Cosmic rays, emm perhaps. Our atmosphere does most of the heavy lifting of absorbing this energy.

Still, nothing doomsday relating to pole changes. Nothing to see here, move along.

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David. When I read junk. Yes my motive is always to bat it down. But don't put the chart before the horse. It was junk first, then batted down second.


drinker rofl

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Thu 04/16/09 06:10 PM

A wobble will not create global warming, or cooling. It will create seasonal change . . . that does not = global avg temp change.


Unless that "wobble" gets more and more pronounced- it could result in more extreme seasonal changes as well as unusual weather patterns as well. Some astronomers have theorized that this is happening as we speak. Some even theorize that the planetary wobble could be severe enough to result in the Earth doing what some call a "flip", which has ALSO happened before as well.

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Thu 04/16/09 07:31 PM

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm

From Nasa – Solar storm warning expected between 2010 – 2012.
The last one was 1958 – but we didn’t have the technology or the dependence on it at that time, for us to take much notice. Not that there weren’t signs, and who knows, it might have been a phenomenal maximum event that put an end to the dino’s. ?? It is certain, however, that a maximum event would affect almost all our communications, including airport towers, tower to plane and vice versa communications and internet. It’s possible there could even be incredible amounts of crime – consider the security systems that are on-line or need satellite to function. Once again consider hospitals, how “connected” are hospitals and their patients to the kind of technology that might be interrupted by a solar storm of any magnitude?

I guess that’s about as much concern as I can muster for any particular prophecy or fate filled over exaggerations of the next dooms day event. I guess if there's a concern, at least on my part, I wonder if our systematic destruction of our environment will put an end to humanity before any natural disaster would.


OTHER STUFF OF INTEREST: About that Mayan calendar!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/04/15/2217547.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience

Very interesting article – explains the Mayan calendar and how the whole concept of the year 2012 as “end date” arose. If you like your fantasies, don't read it. It's really rather simple and most people ignore it, as prophacy is so much more dramatic.


http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html
Here’s the NOAA space weather prediction center. Lots of boring information here, but so far there is no activity indicating the beginning of the expected solar maximum. But add the link to your favorites and check it every few months. IF YOU WANT!

You know until the internet happened the year 2012 was significant only to those scientists studying the Mayan ruins, and the few of us who happen to read about weird stuff like that – the problem is, if there’s science fiction to write and money to be made and if the religious fundamentalists can find ONE MORE CHANCE to gather in the sheep on the basis of a dooms day event - it will be done.

As for me – if I could afford it, I might consider investing in a storage unit and finding some old electric heart lung machines. If my Aunt and Mom are still around they may need one. Technology: Is there such a thing as being too dependent? Look at the fossil fuel situation. Too much of a good thing really can be bad.


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Thu 04/16/09 08:24 PM
Full length film regarding 2012 with interesting scientific information.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-280609650060040722

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Thu 04/16/09 08:38 PM
yea man.....

lot's of junk out there...

too bad it's all gonna come true, lol...

one's human's junk, is what another build it's lifeboat for the future out of, lol...

not one word of this thread will not come true in one way or another, oh ye of such miniscule belief, in anything more than just what two eye's single eye's see, and deem as the pulse of the entire cosmos, lol...

hell yea, what a great and sad party it shall indeed be, all at the same time.

what a floating party rama it shall be indeed.

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Fri 04/17/09 10:36 PM


Anything could happen. Or not.

Just get a bag of popcorn and watch the show, ~~~if there is a show.

If there is no show, Just go about your normal business.

:tongue:


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Sun 04/19/09 08:36 AM
A fascinating interview from Engineer / Scientist Greg Braden about fractal time, the secret of 2012, and a new world age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pvPeBQOYM

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Sun 04/19/09 10:18 AM

yea man.....

lot's of junk out there...

too bad it's all gonna come true, lol...

one's human's junk, is what another build it's lifeboat for the future out of, lol...

not one word of this thread will not come true in one way or another, oh ye of such miniscule belief, in anything more than just what two eye's single eye's see, and deem as the pulse of the entire cosmos, lol...

hell yea, what a great and sad party it shall indeed be, all at the same time.

what a floating party rama it shall be indeed.


Hello again everybody. This post and JB's remind me SO much of "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" by Douglas Adams.

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Sun 04/19/09 11:01 AM
This concerns me as well... deeply...



























Smaller M&Ms do not promote economic growth; requiring less chocolate will impact all of us.

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Sun 04/19/09 11:27 AM

..unlike the scare of 2000,this one has scientific backing.pay attention people..educate yourself a little and realize 2012 is no joke ,planet alignments,polar cap changes tectonic plate shifting,volcanoes erupting.magnetic poles shift and not to mention for 3 days the earth will stand still ..this is the REAL deal..you can make jokes about it but this IS going to happen ..what the outcome will be ...time will tell..you have been warned..

..normally i would be the last to jump on ...but this one i have to give credence to ..with the polar ice caps melting,influx in earth quakes and volcanic activity..the signs are right in front of you whether you choose to ignore it is up to you...this is unlike anything else you have heard about the possible end to life as we know it...NASA 2012 calculations...


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Sun 04/19/09 02:42 PM

This concerns me as well... deeply...



























Smaller M&Ms do not promote economic growth; requiring less chocolate will impact all of us.


HELL YEA, IT RIGHTFULLY SHOULD!!!

had you not heard, all the m&m's are the brains, and all the chocolate melts off!!!???

of course, that simply being all the "candy coating" all the nuts that think itself wiser, and smarter, and better, lol???

had oyu not heard, all the saying fo the whole universe from the beginning of time???

a time hath come when all the material possessions the universe begin to remove, leaving naked nut's running to and fro in the streets at night, wanting and trying to take and provide for self, because there is no electricity, since the sun herself shall turn it off, and anything outside, thatrun in the streets as monger's, and have not compassion on, or despise, will make the "energy" of the "hater", or depiser outside in the streets, come straight to one's own door, as the ENERGY OF DISTAIN, attract the "crazy nut's" right to one's own threshhold???

it is the universe herself, purifying all "self interest alone as king of self" from the planet, and all things walk thru, once this is dropped as inferior intelligence ways???

just a time of finding out WHO self really is, IF THERE WAS NO LAW, OR CONSEQUENCE, FOR ANYTING???

you know, like everybody say's, if there was ONE DAY, AND NO ONE WAS WATCHING, OR NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW BUT YOU AND THE OTHER DONE UNTO, WHAT WOULD YOU DO???

would one rape a women if NO ONE WOULD KNOW???

THOSE THAT REFRAIN FOR SUCH REASONS, SHALL FEEL INTENSE UNIVERSAL HEAT???

had you not heard about all these things foretold by ALL THE RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD AS ONE???

oh yea, one would only know that if it heard all other voices down thru time as having equal intelligence to the "self one eye"???

the universe will disolve all reality, into only two choices???

wanna know what they are???

unconditional love for self, OR, unconditional love for other's???

thats not so bad, JUST "ONE THING" FOR THE GODS OF THE UNIVERSE TO ASK, TO PASS INTO EQUAL BLISS FOR ALL THAT REIGN THE NEW EARTH???

THAT'S NOT SO BAD REALLY???

just can't take from anything else for self, WITHOUT CONSIDERING IT'S EFFECT ON OTHER'S AS THE GREATEST GUIDE OF GOOD???

of course, wouldn't want some rapist, or child molester, or something greedy, or something only looking out for number 1 alone, TO GET OR HAVE POWER TO CREATE ANYTHING IT WISH, LOL???

such would reek havoc on many other's, and cares nothing for all as equal valuable things???

no expectation of anything GOOD FROM ANYTHING ELSE, no taking from other's mentallity, get in the door, some called it the gate, some other's the portal, some other's the vortex, some other's the eden, some other's lost atlantis, some other's heaven on earth, some other's, ok, you get the picture, lol???

so, ALL THINGS, either bring evil energy to it's door by the "laws of attraction of the unniverse, that nothing can refrain with "natural physical power", or it give up the childish ways of greed, and temper tantrums, when it does not get what it thinks it should have, or deserve, or get the American dream, as it was only a short dream, not a sustainable source for infinite living, which is what all the universe move into???

anything that wants in???

no problem, just REALLY gotta not like seeing such within self, and admit it is true self, and not want such ****, then, NO PROBLEM, COME ON IN, BUT, NOTHING CAN FAKE AN ANGEL, as angel's can feel ALL ENERGY, OR SPIRIT, EVEN FROM ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD???

AN ANGEL CAN FEEL "DECIETFUL" INTENT, OR SELF INTEREST INTENT, OR HARMING INTENT, WITHOUT ANY REALM BARRIERS???

CAN ALSO MORPH INTO ANY FORM, IN AN INSTANT, ALL FOR GOOD PURPOSE AND CREATION, BUT STILL THE SAME, NO "BAD GUYS" GET IT OR TOUCH IT, LOL???

did you not know, this was also what was called as the return of "jesus"???

just ultimate equal justice for all as most want, with ultimate power to back it up, but it use it not to reek any havoc, as the "self wanter's" reek all this itself, and all destroy EACH OTHER???

damn man, it all right in front of ALL IN ALL WORDS SPOKEN, IN EVERY SONG BEING SUNG, UN ALL THE MOVIES, IN ALL RELIGIONS, IN ALL THINGS, EVEN IN THE ANIMALS, AS EVEN THESE WILL EACH DAY BECOME MORE MANIC, AND TURN ON THEIR OWNERS, ANY OWNER WHO IS ARROGANT, AND SEEK TO CONTROL FOR SELF PRIDE REASONS???

of course, again, only those that believe in only TWO EYE'S AS THE PULSE OF THE ENTIRE COSMOS LIFE CYCLE SYSTEMS OPERATION AND METHOD'S, will not know all in advance, LOL???

and, since no pride gets in the door, all that has passed over already, will be the opposite in demeanor as what "religion" think is "god or goodness or angels"???

it is such a diobolical plan, but at the same time, one that DIVINTY NEVER LIFT ONE FINGER, TO STOP ANY BAD, BAD JUST WIPE ITSELF OUT, by not hearing other's as equal, lol???

seems like a perfect "free will" way for all things to be create itself into greater good knowing and peace, which is but higher intelligence???

it is all about, the universe making PEOPLE TRUST EACH OTHER???

HEARING EACH OTHER???

MAKING ALL THINGS SEE ALL THINGS AS EQUALS???

what oneself is, is what it "think", and to deny any thought of the brain, as NOT SELF, will only make it become MORE SELF, to get self to finally say, OK, I AM ****ING SELF CENTERED AND GREEDY, AND ONLY THINK ABOUT MYSELF ALL DAY, LOL???

PLEASE MAKE ME NOT LIKE THIS???

THEN SELF DOES JUST THAT, BY REMINDING SELF EACH TIME IT IS THAT WAY???

PRETTY SIMPLE???

A CHILD CAN GET IT???

THEY WILL GET IT FIRST IN FACT???

THIS IS WHAT THEY SEE IN THE ADULTS, AND DESPISE AS HYPOCRICY???

not a bad thing at all, as destiny herself control the "process" for all as soverign being's???

if you hear not these words as real, that changes not one thought of you, as anything less, or ignorant, as each human has "infinite" perfect planning in control of itself???

your greater self, walking right beside you, each it's own angel, controlling the maximum each thing can do or create, but, at the same time, each thing has to admit itself is soley responsible for all response from all other living things???

diobolical indeed???

a paradox of the brain for sure???

each only speak what itself see and know as real, and each just decide what itself most believe and want, and who it want to have compassion or no compassion on, who to be with, and who to not be with???

such things do not indicate any other as inferior, or less, or ignorant, each just on a destined journey, and IF two honest agenda's an wants match, then so be it, and all such are joined together slowly, and incrementally as each day progress into "future beyond the wildest imagination"???

except of course, those that have already heard all voices as equal, these then can see and have been already prepared to help other's thru, these caring not about anything of this present realm, except the well being and saftey of all other's???

don't worry, anyone with true desire and seeing itself as blind, and as a poor begger needing help, shall have it in an instant, but not one ounce of false self pride, or aggorance, or thinking other's are less, gets in the gate's of saftey???

ONE THING MOST, THINKING ANOTHER AS LESS, WILL DESTROY SELF MORE AND QUICKER EACH DAY, AND DECEIT OF ANY NATURE, CANNOT AND SHALL NOT MAKE IT THRU???

nothing that does not take care of other's, before one take and stuff one's own mouth, because it REALLY CARES FOR OTHER'S MORE, NOT JUST FOR A COOKIE OR GOOD THING TO COME FOR SELF, DOES NOT FIND TOTAL DESPAIR, AS THIS IS ONLY WHAT IT IS BRING TO ITSELF, AS EACH THING IS CREATING ALL THAT COMES TO SELF, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN???

just what higher intelligence, and all the universe, create to prepare for a time of all peace on earth???

of course, that is for those choose the higher intelligence choice, seeing only lower life cycle, as animals and man beast, destroy other things to save itself in time's of trouble???

those that see self only thought about itself from sun up until sun down, and only about how self could get what it wanted, shall certainly be the FIRST IN, lol...

which of course makes total sense, the only first evil in the entrie universe, is all things thinking something else should GIVE IT SOMEHTING, ANYTHING, OR MAKE IT'S HAPPINESS, LOL???

delusion???

illusion???

unsanity???

the hearer in the NEW REALM, always decide, not the speaker???

whoa as what was unsane, become as sane, and what think other's are unsane, become as unsane itself???


peace out man


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Sun 04/19/09 03:26 PM


..unlike the scare of 2000,this one has scientific backing.pay attention people..educate yourself a little and realize 2012 is no joke ,planet alignments,polar cap changes tectonic plate shifting,volcanoes erupting.magnetic poles shift and not to mention for 3 days the earth will stand still ..this is the REAL deal..you can make jokes about it but this IS going to happen ..what the outcome will be ...time will tell..you have been warned..

..normally i would be the last to jump on ...but this one i have to give credence to ..with the polar ice caps melting,influx in earth quakes and volcanic activity..the signs are right in front of you whether you choose to ignore it is up to you...this is unlike anything else you have heard about the possible end to life as we know it...NASA 2012 calculations...




I'm not one for Doomsday roof crying, but this maybe very serious.
Things have been put into motion very quietly by various governments regarding this issue. (New World Order craziness)
Some of the major effects globally maybe felt before 2012.

Don't forget your sunscreen, shades, and survival kits. We're in for ONE HELL OF A ROUGH RIDE.

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Tue 04/21/09 03:10 PM


..unlike the scare of 2000,this one has scientific backing.pay attention people..educate yourself a little and realize 2012 is no joke ,planet alignments,polar cap changes tectonic plate shifting,volcanoes erupting.magnetic poles shift and not to mention for 3 days the earth will stand still ..this is the REAL deal..you can make jokes about it but this IS going to happen ..what the outcome will be ...time will tell..you have been warned..

..normally i would be the last to jump on ...but this one i have to give credence to ..with the polar ice caps melting,influx in earth quakes and volcanic activity..the signs are right in front of you whether you choose to ignore it is up to you...this is unlike anything else you have heard about the possible end to life as we know it...NASA 2012 calculations...


Yea I dont think so.

If there is actual science backing this up, then you shouldn't have any problem linking the related research paper.