I cannot prove this to you...cuz we never got caught. But there was plenty of illegal activities while entoxicated on pot. Wrecks, thefts, vandalizing,fights. Go to a few meetings where the people are not there trying to escape jail. You will not get too many truths from them, but from others with nothing to gain....you will hear all kinds of horror stories.

Kat

You may find the information in here:

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/pdf/economic_costs98.pdf

I'm for medicinal marijuana myself. I've seen it help cancer and AIDS patients.

I cannot prove this to you...cuz we never got caught. But there was plenty of illegal activities while entoxicated on pot. Wrecks, thefts, vandalizing,fights. Go to a few meetings where the people are not there trying to escape jail. You will not get too many truths from them, but from others with nothing to gain....you will hear all kinds of horror stories.

Kat


OK but please statistics? I am truly curious

Testicular cancer is at a 70 percent increase among pot smokers? Young men have risen in the ranks of testicular cancer among tokers.

My own adopted son just went through this. He is in his twenties. His Dr asked him if he was a pot smoker. He told him it was proving to be a tenant to that kind of cancer.

Kat

Wow! But what about this.......anyone?

"statistics regarding Criminal Activities commited under the influence of Marijuana. Not including activities being charged with possesion, smoking, growing, or dealing.... (If marijuana were legal would not be issue)

I would really like to see this. I looked and had a difficult time finding anything."

equalism.

the respect and sight and demand that each adult is a sovergin "free will" individual.

it is the only foundation for any equal, balance, freedom, and free will of any society.

each adult human being has the soverign right and freedom to decide what itself wish to do with it's own body, as long as it does not force or violate the free will of another's control over it's own body.

the very essence of morality is based and founded upon equalism in and for all things.

nothing can force the free will of another, unless the free will of another has been violated or taken, and this alone laws are based upon to preserve.

no belief has the right to violate or dictate another's "free will", which is contained within all religious writings as a "god" given gift to each human born.

likewise, religious teachings as well prolcaim all as "free moral agents", directing with all inference and implication that no other human, has the right to try to control another's moral compass to suite itself.

for a non drug user, to try force another to "not use drugs", is the same in all logic and essence, of a drug user trying to force a religious one to use drugs.

it is only but sheer tyranny imposed against another's free will.

it is totally disrepectful, arrogant, intrusive, abusive, controlling, manipulative, violative, and dictaterous thinking, and any drug user that try to force a non drug user to use drugs, would be guilty of all the same as well.

such things violated and perpetrated against other's of equal status, first break down the respect and dignity of a civiliztion as a whole.

the very desire to effect this control over another human, show most a serious disregard for other's as equal entities to self???

such thinking is never able to enter the mind, unless superioristic thinking is at work in every way, and done so for a long period of time, will promote anything to believe it is good to attempt to subvert and control another's free will.

such thinking can and should not be condoned or dismissed, as this thinking in itself, if it is in check and dealt with, allow the compounding of this thinking to disasterous proportions, now all to often, bring individual's to be capable of disasterous grievence against other's.

prison's are overflowing with violent crimminal offenders, who first entertained such violations of equalism in logic, which would not have become so redily so, within any society that embraced and enforced and taught such equaliy with all vibrance and due dilligence.

the teaching of "individual soverign free will", for each in youth, instill equality, and drastically reduce the ability of the mind to first believe, it may control any other human being for self interest.

the lack of sight of "equal soverign people", is what some see in present leadership, and indeed, if this thinking is not checked in anything, and all things, it can grow to dictaterous proportion's easily, and rightfully so, anything that recognize it, see what needs to be recognized, to protect the freedoms and rights of all people's alike as equal.

not maintaining equalism perpetuate's the danger of always finding in favor of self, and lead to the favor of certain social, economic and belief group's, and perpetuate the very subversion of all as equal, which was and is the root premise of the founding of this nation, and that which the father's of government seen was crucial for any free country.

ALL atrocities, ALL genocide, ALL human sufferage, EVER perpetrated, on any peoples, in ALL human history, came first from leaving "equalism of all", so indeed, IT IS IMPORTANT, and the greatest patriotism that all patriotism, which is the love and protection of "equal freedom", is founded upon.

the very cosmos and universe and all of nature, is itself based upon balance, all things working with equalism to sustain and provide all life, and the balance within all human power structure's, business, education, behaviour, and laws, must be equalism, as there is no other equal footing or foundation possible, if there exist more than ONE human being.

laws cannot be based on "moral or religious interpretations", in any regard to any personal rights, if there exist more than ONE.

this in itself the means laws are based upon the protection and preservation of "soverign free will" of each and all, and that this be their sole purpose alone in any free society.

anything more is suppression and digression.

anything but equalism, in all ways, subvert all intelligence of human learning, by cutting off any advancive reasoning, created by equal logical deduction capabilities and processes of the human brain, and subvert the study and learning of all cause and effect, of all things and individual actions, and without this, there can be no fostering or perpetuation of any progressive, learning, brilliant, moral as equal, growing, aspiring, good willing, kind, caring, peaceful, and forward advancing peoples.

all economic problems that currently exist, were first caused by leaving total equalism, and due to it not being applied to all business and power processes, and has led to the very breakdown of the total economic systems, and nothing can be returned to stable, or secured, until the very inception of what eroded the foundations of present systems is corrected, and sovergin equal principles are reinstated within all power structure's and business, or failure is emminint, and it only be a question of when.

anything but equalism, is the very root creation of all corruption, bigotry, racism, violence, class hate, hate crime, malice, greed, dishonesty, anger, and all other contemptuous things of human nature, which but subvert the natural god or universe or birth right, of each human being, to persue the persuit of happiness.

peace

I think some of what has been posted is from personal experiences or what people have seen. at least for me that is lol.

I know (just like with many things) people have different reactions to things. for some it just relaxes them, but for others it's not that way

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090326/hl_nm/us_pot_road_1


After alcohol, cannabis is the mind-altering substance most often found in the urine or blood of drivers after a crash, the researchers note in the journal Accident Analysis and Prevention. Studies have shown that people's driving skills are impaired within the first hour after smoking pot, they add. And it's also possible, according to Richer and Bergeron, that people who get behind the wheel after smoking marijuana are also by nature more likely to be dangerous drivers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090330/hl_nm/us_pot_psychosis;_ylt=AkmK20gnVPtotubEb8FO3zXVJRIF


NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Among individuals who appear to be "mentally well," heavy use of marijuana may predispose them to develop schizoprehenia and other "psychoses," new research suggests.

Among 92 patients, ages 18 to 65 years, who suffered a first episode of functional psychotic illness, more than half said they smoked marijuana daily or nearly every day and most of these individuals (66 percent) had no pre-existing signs of abnormal neurological development that would put them at risk for psychosis.

They had no family history of psychosis; they had been doing well academically; they had a group of friends and as such were not socially isolated; and they had good muscle coordination, Dr. Miguel Ruiz-Veguilla, of the Institute of Neurosciences of the University of Granada, Spain, and co-investigators explain in the latest issue of the journal Schizophrenia Research.

The remaining 43 percent of the study subjects with a first psychotic episode did have signs of abnormal neurological development that increased their risk of psychosis, such as a family history of psychosis and trouble in the social and academic worlds.

I think it's safe to say pot smoking is just as bad as cigarettes espcially since it is unfiltered.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090330/ap_on_go_ot/tobacco_tax_5


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says cigarette smoking results in an estimated 443,000 premature deaths each year, and costs the economy $193 billion in health care expenses and lost time from work. Smoking is a major contributor to heart disease, cancer and lung disease.

And the paragraph after...

"To investigate, Richer and Bergeron looked at 83 men ranging in age from 17 to 49, of whom 30 admitted to being pot smokers. Among these individuals, 80 percent . Thirty-five percent of all the study participants had been involved in at least one car crash in the past 3 years".
Thank you for the information. Quite informative. Yet I do find it intrigueing that they say "said they had driven under the influence of marijuana in the past 12 months" but "involved in at least one car crash in the past 3 years". Makes me wonder about whether their car crash was related to use.

Interesting as well. Here is the last couple of paragraphs of same study...

"This study, Veguilla further explained in comments to Reuters Health, suggests that patients with poor social and academic adjustment before the onset of illness "do not need an environmental factor in order to develop psychosis."

While people with good social and academic adjustment before the onset of psychosis illness - defined as have more than five friends; good academic function; good motor coordination and sensory integration; and no family history of psychosis -- need a strong environmental factor, such as smoking cannabis every day, to develop psychosis."

There's information on here:

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

Pot does slow a person's reflexes for driving.


KayaksJuliet, when I worked at the VA drug rehab, there were a few people in there for pot.

I might agree on this one BUT comparison isnt feasible without statistical proof. Especially with the amount of focus marijuana has gotten.

I know asking for statistics on this and my original question:

"statistics regarding Criminal Activities commited under the influence of Marijuana. Not including activities being charged with possesion, smoking, growing, or dealing.... (If marijuana were legal would not be issue)

I would really like to see this. I looked and had a difficult time finding anything."

...is frustrating to say the least. But for me it is equally frustrating that I still cannot find any statistics about criminal activities committed just under the influence of marijuana. And that alone makes me go hmmmmmmmmm. I understand their are people we know, whether it be in groups or personal experience that have used and have gotten into car accidents, become gateway users, etc. But what kind of proportion? Where are the statistics? How different is it then alcohol or tobacco for that matter? These people who were in car accidents or other issues, where they not drug and alcohol tested after...at least in some cases???

I think some of what has been posted is from personal experiences or what people have seen. at least for me that is lol.

I know (just like with many things) people have different reactions to things. for some it just relaxes them, but for others it's not that way

Thank you Winx

And I found this as well which was helpful for understanding of Thomas3474 reply . The last few sentences was interesting as well.

Effects on the Lungs
Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increases the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

hmmmmm i didn't know that either

Hey Rose you seem good at research (previous posts in forums)can you find anything on my original question?

I just got up....bad flu so I haven't really checked. from what I know of the subject is from my brother in law (self proclaimed pot head) and what I have witnessed in others and myself. I just know (like other drugs) that some can handle pot as a relaxant but not all people can. depending on the body, it can cause things like hallucinations, paranoia, muscle tension etc.

Sorry to here that you are sick . Feel better soon. I look forward to hearing anything you can find on statistics for criminal activities committed under the influence of marijuana.