Topic: Norm Stamper on Marijuana
yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/30/09 05:10 PM
I come to my conclusions about it from research AND from users or ex users.

Winx's photo
Mon 03/30/09 05:34 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 03/30/09 05:35 PM

I think it's funny how all of the non-smokers are so against marijuana reform laws. In all honesty...nobody can judge the cause and effect of a drug unless they've tried it first hand. You can't just assume it's evil from what you hear on the news and from what other opposed non smokers tell you. Contrary to what most people believe, marijuana users are not "bad" people. They don't slow down society, they aren't a problem for employers, they don't steal, rape, murder, etc... 99.9% of the smokers I know sit on the couch and watch tv or play video games while stoned. While the alcoholic next door is beating his wife and kids. I have NEVER seen anyone want to be violent from smoking weed. I see it all the time from drinking alcohol.

It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal choice and freedom.


I'm not gay, but I'm all for gay rights (another war on personal choice and freedom).


Did you miss sumpin? I am an ex pot smoker. Over twenty years dude. I have just a little insight on this subject.

Oh and winx..it wasn't nothing about his color. It was because so many think a brother "black" smokes pot nonstop. If a brother doesn't want it there...so on and so on. Get it?

Kat

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Winx's photo
Mon 03/30/09 05:36 PM

Ok. My bad. I edited it to "most" instead of "all".

There are some rare cases where weed caused someone to get into harder drugs and mess up their life...but it mainly starts with the "legal" gateway drugs (tobacco and alcohol).


Maybe you need to change it to "alot".:wink:

Winx's photo
Mon 03/30/09 05:37 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 03/30/09 05:37 PM


Ok. My bad. I edited it to "most" instead of "all".

There are some rare cases where weed caused someone to get into harder drugs and mess up their life...but it mainly starts with the "legal" gateway drugs (tobacco and alcohol).


Maybe you need to change it to "alot".:wink:

If it's so rare, why are the NA rooms so full these days?




no photo
Mon 03/30/09 05:38 PM
I don't really believe in the "gateway drug" concept

I think if you are a person who is gonna be inclined to do some kind of drugs then you'll try ALL drugs

some start out by sniffing glue or gas

some start out with marijuana


Winx's photo
Mon 03/30/09 05:40 PM
Edited by Winx on Mon 03/30/09 05:41 PM

I don't really believe in the "gateway drug" concept

I think if you are a person who is gonna be inclined to do some kind of drugs then you'll try ALL drugs

some start out by sniffing glue or gas

some start out with marijuana




You're right. Everybody started with their own thing. But..99.9% of the people that I have come in contact with while working in drug rehab, known in NA, and personal friends have done pot before the hard stuff. I do know a few that didn't go further.


warmachine's photo
Mon 03/30/09 06:08 PM

I don't really believe in the "gateway drug" concept

I think if you are a person who is gonna be inclined to do some kind of drugs then you'll try ALL drugs

some start out by sniffing glue or gas

some start out with marijuana




I would add that all the lies about weed cause some of this so called gateway crap. If a kid who has faced all kinds of indoctrination about marijuana smokes some, giggles for awhile, gets hungry and takes a nap, instead of seeing all the horrible things that he's been shown will happen if he smokes it, I would speculate that the kid is going to wonder what else he's been lied to about.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/30/09 06:10 PM
some of it has to do with the person's body as well.

Filmfreek's photo
Mon 03/30/09 06:11 PM



Ok. My bad. I edited it to "most" instead of "all".

There are some rare cases where weed caused someone to get into harder drugs and mess up their life...but it mainly starts with the "legal" gateway drugs (tobacco and alcohol).


Maybe you need to change it to "alot".:wink:

If it's so rare, why are the NA rooms so full these days?




Ok...next time you're in a NA meeting ask 5 different people what was the first drug they ever tried. Remind them first that TOBACCO and ALCOHOL are also drugs...("legal" drugs, but still very addictive and deadly). If they say tobacco and or alcohol caused them to start smoking pot or whatever harder drugs...then there ya go.


I was a HUGE pothead in high school, and one of the reasons I tried it was because I was experimenting with cigarettes and alcohol. Most of the people I was in rehab with said the exact same thing.

warmachine's photo
Mon 03/30/09 06:39 PM




Ok. My bad. I edited it to "most" instead of "all".

There are some rare cases where weed caused someone to get into harder drugs and mess up their life...but it mainly starts with the "legal" gateway drugs (tobacco and alcohol).


Maybe you need to change it to "alot".:wink:

If it's so rare, why are the NA rooms so full these days?




Ok...next time you're in a NA meeting ask 5 different people what was the first drug they ever tried. Remind them first that TOBACCO and ALCOHOL are also drugs...("legal" drugs, but still very addictive and deadly). If they say tobacco and or alcohol caused them to start smoking pot or whatever harder drugs...then there ya go.


I was a HUGE pothead in high school, and one of the reasons I tried it was because I was experimenting with cigarettes and alcohol. Most of the people I was in rehab with said the exact same thing.


Thank you! Great response.

warmachine's photo
Mon 03/30/09 06:40 PM
Then there's this:

'Because': America's new justification for prohibition?

Huh.

Asked 'Why' Obama feels marijuana should remain illegal (and thus largest piece of gold in the cartels' pockets), White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs answered with the equivalent of, 'Because.'

Watch the video:

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/03/because-americas-new-justification-for-prohibition/


One member of the press corps, however, brought up the fact that marijuana legalization is a serious subject to many people, particularly with Mexico right now, and when Gibbs didn't really respond, the reporter asked him to explain "Why?" "Why he feels that way about legalizing marijuana?"

Here was Gibbs' response:

"Uh, he, he does not think that, uh, uh, that that is uh, uh, [pause] he opposes it, he doesn't think that that's the, the right plan for America."

Apparently that is the new U.S. Government position on why marijuana should be illegal.

Wow.

It's fascinating that he couldn't come up with anything other than the equivalent of... "because."
Author Pete Guither adds:

[...] be sure to go read Allan Erickson's article at the Salem-News.com. President Used Marijuana but Mocks & Dismisses Legalization. Nice job, Allan! For those here from that article, here is the link to the Peter McWilliams story.
Seconded. You should check out Guither's drug policy work as well.

-- Stephen C. Webster


Foliel's photo
Mon 03/30/09 07:10 PM
I have never smoked pot and never will. I learned everything i needed to know from watching what pot did to my mother for the first 7 years of my life. She finally managed to fully kick the habit when I was 8. She used to smoke pot all the time, as well as cigarettes and drink alcohol. Thanks to the use of alcohol and pot her ex bf is in jail for the attempted murder of my mother, when he decided that she could fly and threw her out of a second story window. Broke her back, she now has a metal plate in her back and will be in a wheel chair for the rest of her life.

So as far as pot goes...thanks but no thanks.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/30/09 07:13 PM

I have never smoked pot and never will. I learned everything i needed to know from watching what pot did to my mother for the first 7 years of my life. She finally managed to fully kick the habit when I was 8. She used to smoke pot all the time, as well as cigarettes and drink alcohol. Thanks to the use of alcohol and pot her ex bf is in jail for the attempted murder of my mother, when he decided that she could fly and threw her out of a second story window. Broke her back, she now has a metal plate in her back and will be in a wheel chair for the rest of her life.

So as far as pot goes...thanks but no thanks.


flowers

Foliel's photo
Mon 03/30/09 07:14 PM


I have never smoked pot and never will. I learned everything i needed to know from watching what pot did to my mother for the first 7 years of my life. She finally managed to fully kick the habit when I was 8. She used to smoke pot all the time, as well as cigarettes and drink alcohol. Thanks to the use of alcohol and pot her ex bf is in jail for the attempted murder of my mother, when he decided that she could fly and threw her out of a second story window. Broke her back, she now has a metal plate in her back and will be in a wheel chair for the rest of her life.

So as far as pot goes...thanks but no thanks.


flowers


thank you :D

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/30/09 07:18 PM
i know from persoanl experience that pot (just like alcohol, etc) can cause different reactions in people

no photo
Mon 03/30/09 07:19 PM
marijuana is the heathen devil drug and anyone who smokes it is doomed to everlasting hell

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/30/09 07:20 PM
laugh

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Mon 03/30/09 07:29 PM
seems like some people smoke pot. but they would never think to force anyone else to smoke it

some people don't smoke pot but they think they should be able to stop everyone else from smoking it

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Mon 03/30/09 07:58 PM
I believe that legalization and APPLICATION of Medicinal Marijuana is a great step in proving and disproving most common myths. Lets face it Smoking Pot is medicinally helpful to patients in need. I have seen this personally. The last thing my friend wanted to do was turn to smoking marijuana to help the constant vomiting, severe lack of appetite, going from 125 to 103...but she had no other option. Today she is 100% better BECAUSE of smoking.

I believe like anything else, marijuana feasibly could be a gateway drug to something worse. I also know of someone else that will most likely gateway from marijuana, simply because I can see escapism from his problems.

Just like tobacco and alcohol or any drug (prescription or non) there is always going to be someone to misuse and abuse. But the benefits far outweigh the bad.

I challenge anyone to go look for statistics regarding Criminal Activities commited under the influence of Marijuana. Not including activities being charged with possesion, smoking, growing, or dealing.... (If marijuana were legal would not be issue)

I would really like to see this. I looked and had a difficult time finding anything.

scttrbrain's photo
Mon 03/30/09 08:00 PM
Ohhhhh nooooo they would never begin to think of forcing anyone to smoke pot, they will just nag at you and tell you how good it is and wont harm you. 'Ere just take a toke...c'mon cough..it is harmless...cough cough...the peer pressure of it all will pull you in.

I was in NA for years. I took meetings out of town to other states. I spoke and listened to speakers tell their stories. I have taken meetings into rehabs. I have taken meeting into prisons (before I got the felony) I have heard many tales of how they got started and where pot took them. No! No legalization of pot for community use.

I have to live with what my kids have told me about how they hated me smoking pot. They were embarrassed and shamed. I was told they alsways knew. They rememeber being scared.

After I woke up from my frenzy of euphoric sensation Tetrahydrocanibinols, I began to see and know my idiocy. It took me many years to understand what was wrong with it. It took me out of my real conscience into that abnormal fairytale land of cannibus.

Kat