Topic: Norm Stamper on Marijuana
wiley's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:10 AM





like i said...it is just like alcohol...some can handle it...some can't and neither are good in large amounts. my sister and I have tried it for pain before because of our blood disease (which is often misdiagnosed). she hallucinated and got paranoid...my muscles tensed so bad i couldn't move for a time. the neighbor kid went crazy when he started smoking ALOT (pretty much all day long) and he stalked my niece. she had to change her number and finally moved in with her grandmother. this is why i said it's something people have observed...not all in statistics.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/Marijuana3.html

is another site as well. I believe IF they make it legal...it needs to have the same laws as alcohol


Nope. Never be legal. Too high a potential for law suits. Just look at all the hoops for the legal drugs the manufacturers have to jump through prior to marketing.


That's a good point. I never thought about that. There's the FDA to go through.


Yes and you're talking about a substance without a measurable dose whose effects vary greatly by strain. Conceivably, there would be absolutely no way to regulate it. At least with alcohol you have blood-alcohol content at a certain percentage. With marijuana it's all or nothing.


And...if it does have to go through that scrutiny (most likely will), can you imagine how much it would cost to purchase then?


I don't know that the cost of it would be any different. But malpractice and general health insurance rates would probably skyrocket.

Winx's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:12 AM
I think it would go up in price. Somebody has to pay for all that scrutiny. I see it every time I have to pay for a prescription.

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Tue 03/31/09 09:12 AM
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Nope. Never be legal. Too high a potential for law suits. Just look at all the hoops for the legal drugs the manufacturers have to jump through prior to marketing.


That's a good point. I never thought about that. There's the FDA to go through.


Yes and you're talking about a substance without a measurable dose whose effects vary greatly by strain. Conceivably, there would be absolutely no way to regulate it. At least with alcohol you have blood-alcohol content at a certain percentage. With marijuana it's all or nothing.


I have to disagree on this. Please keep in mind they do have synthetic pot sold in a pill already out there. So if legal they could find a way. And btw, I feel the pill is much more dangerous than smoking. The pill, you never know when it will take effect, for how long, and you are on a constant high 24/7 if taken as recommended. Try driving and living that way. Smoking you can control somewhat by timing (medicinally) and usually can bring the effects down by something as simple as eating.

wiley's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:13 AM


I have to disagree on this. Please keep in mind they do have synthetic pot sold in a pill already out there.


Not even close to the same thing. The synthetic is man-made under man-made controls. The natural stuff (that there is talk of legalizing) is no such beast.

Winx's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:14 AM
Is the pill time-released?

wiley's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:16 AM

The pill, you never know when it will take effect, for how long,


You get that with any drug. Many factors affect pharmacokinetics including weight, age, disease, other medications, etc. etc. No substance on Earth affects two people exactly the same way or even the same person the same exact way every time it is administered.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:19 AM
that's what i've been saying...see??? no one listens to me...where's my poll? grumble

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Tue 03/31/09 09:21 AM



I have to disagree on this. Please keep in mind they do have synthetic pot sold in a pill already out there.


Not even close to the same thing. The synthetic is man-made under man-made controls. The natural stuff (that there is talk of legalizing) is no such beast.


My point is legalizing it and going under FDA scrutiny. They will to have testing of it all that is LEGAL. Yes, synthetic is man-made with man-made controls but they did testing to get it to strength. Just like they would if it were legal.


****WINX**** Not really time released. Basically like any drug depends on what is in your stomach...etc. But with that being said smoking it allows better control.

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Tue 03/31/09 09:25 AM




I have to disagree on this. Please keep in mind they do have synthetic pot sold in a pill already out there.


Not even close to the same thing. The synthetic is man-made under man-made controls. The natural stuff (that there is talk of legalizing) is no such beast.


My point is legalizing it and going under FDA scrutiny. They will to have testing of it all that is LEGAL. Yes, synthetic is man-made with man-made controls but they did testing to get it to strength. Just like they would if it were legal.


****WINX**** Not really time released. Basically like any drug depends on what is in your stomach...etc. But with that being said smoking it allows better control.


And then what? Keep every possible strain they haven't tested illegal until they do? How on Earth are they going to enforce that?

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Tue 03/31/09 09:28 AM





I have to disagree on this. Please keep in mind they do have synthetic pot sold in a pill already out there.


Not even close to the same thing. The synthetic is man-made under man-made controls. The natural stuff (that there is talk of legalizing) is no such beast.


My point is legalizing it and going under FDA scrutiny. They will to have testing of it all that is LEGAL. Yes, synthetic is man-made with man-made controls but they did testing to get it to strength. Just like they would if it were legal.


****WINX**** Not really time released. Basically like any drug depends on what is in your stomach...etc. But with that being said smoking it allows better control.


And then what? Keep every possible strain they haven't tested illegal until they do? How on Earth are they going to enforce that?


Probably the same way we approached the legalization of alcohol when prohibation existed. Which btw how many stileries do you see around....Seriously?

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:30 AM
the one difference i see with alcohol prohibition is that alcohol was legal and wide spread and socially acceptable...then it was taken away abruptly. so makes me wonder if the pot issue would be handled the same or not

wiley's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:32 AM






I have to disagree on this. Please keep in mind they do have synthetic pot sold in a pill already out there.


Not even close to the same thing. The synthetic is man-made under man-made controls. The natural stuff (that there is talk of legalizing) is no such beast.


My point is legalizing it and going under FDA scrutiny. They will to have testing of it all that is LEGAL. Yes, synthetic is man-made with man-made controls but they did testing to get it to strength. Just like they would if it were legal.


****WINX**** Not really time released. Basically like any drug depends on what is in your stomach...etc. But with that being said smoking it allows better control.


And then what? Keep every possible strain they haven't tested illegal until they do? How on Earth are they going to enforce that?


Probably the same way we approached the legalization of alcohol when prohibation existed. Which btw how many stileries do you see around....Seriously?


Bad example. I live in Oregon. We are the micro brew capital of the world.

wiley's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:33 AM

the one difference i see with alcohol prohibition is that alcohol was legal and wide spread and socially acceptable...then it was taken away abruptly. so makes me wonder if the pot issue would be handled the same or not


Doubtful. Personally, I feel that marijuana is much less harmful than alcohol, but that doesn't make it any easier to regulate it, IMO.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:36 AM
what I'm trying to say is alcohol prohibition is the opposite. it was legal...then illegal. pot is illegaql and wants to be legal

wiley's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:37 AM

what I'm trying to say is alcohol prohibition is the opposite. it was legal...then illegal. pot is illegaql and wants to be legal


I got that. That's why I'm doubtful it would be handled the same way.

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:38 AM


what I'm trying to say is alcohol prohibition is the opposite. it was legal...then illegal. pot is illegaql and wants to be legal


I got that. That's why I'm doubtful it would be handled the same way.


laugh ok...don't forget i'm sick and not thinking straight...but i still have to get ready for work here soon

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Tue 03/31/09 09:44 AM
Great views!! Not sure I agree but food for thought.


Again, please anyone....

"I challenge anyone to go look for statistics regarding Criminal Activities commited under the influence of Marijuana. Not including activities being charged with possesion, smoking, growing, or dealing.... (If marijuana were legal would not be issue)

I would really like to see this. I looked and had a difficult time finding anything. "

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:47 AM
good question

wiley's photo
Tue 03/31/09 09:49 AM

Great views!! Not sure I agree but food for thought.


Again, please anyone....

"I challenge anyone to go look for statistics regarding Criminal Activities commited under the influence of Marijuana. Not including activities being charged with possesion, smoking, growing, or dealing.... (If marijuana were legal would not be issue)

I would really like to see this. I looked and had a difficult time finding anything. "



I suppose it would be difficult to find anything under "under the influence of Marijuana" since there is no specific charge for that. Everything is put under "under the influence of intoxicants" which includes any intoxicant. Whether it is alcohol or marijuana or heroin or what have you...

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that being under the influence of any intoxicant while operating a motor vehicle is a crime though.

Filmfreek's photo
Tue 03/31/09 10:11 AM
Edited by Filmfreek on Tue 03/31/09 10:13 AM

Great views!! Not sure I agree but food for thought.


Again, please anyone....

"I challenge anyone to go look for statistics regarding Criminal Activities commited under the influence of Marijuana. Not including activities being charged with possesion, smoking, growing, or dealing.... (If marijuana were legal would not be issue)

I would really like to see this. I looked and had a difficult time finding anything. "



Good luck with that KJ.laugh


Have you personally ever seen someone sit down, smoke a joint, and wanna go cause trouble. I certainly never have. And I've been around potheads most of my life. Where are all of these evil stoners that are sitting around smoking and afterwards coming up with ideas to deliberately break the law. I would really like to know. I can find loads of statistics for people robbing, stealing, fighting, etc...under the influence of alcohol, cocaine, heroin, PCP, etc...

99.9% of marijuana users I know are very peaceful when high. They don't even THINK about committing any crimes. It's too much effort. It's easier to just sit on the couch and watch cartoons.laugh

Seriously though...look at police reports for domestic disturbances. How many of them are alcohol related compared to marijuana related? Like I said in an earlier post. You have a guy sitting in his living room minding his own business tokin a doobie, while the drunk next door is beating his wife and kids. Guess which guy is being arrested first. Yep...the dude that isn't hurting anyone, minding his own business, in the privacy of his own home. Sad.frown

And, as far as the weed smoke on the lungs being an issue. They have many other ways to get high other than smoking. The most popular being cooked or baked in foods, and a vaporizer machine which eliminates all of the harmful tars and chemicals from the smoke.