How much of it do you remember.

Sights?
Sounds?
Feelings/emotions?
Messages?
Where you givin a task?
Or did you ask for one?
Did you choose to come back or where you sent back?

no NDE...OBE yes...

Isn;t there a thread sorta like this somewhere? Hmmmmm. I may be losing
my mind.
Kat

yes, i have.

I'm sorry for my ignorance
what does NDE mean?

Near Death Experience = NDE
Out of Body Experience = OBE

you know what's crazy? when a human almost dies, the brain releases
something called dimethyltriptamine, (DMT). Then you have that NDE.
what's crazy, is that when we sleep, once we enter REM sleep, our brain
releases DMT also. DMT is released for ONLY those 2 reasons. Ever wonder
how you sleep for 9 hours yet only remember 10 minutes of your dreams?
Sometimes people say they remember everything, yet that doesn't mean
they play out a 9 hour dream episode right? The brain blocks all of that
out, so that our ego can carry on normally, since it won't be able to
comprehend whatever it sees while in that state.

If you take DMT while you're awake, you see what your brain won't let
you remember while you sleep, also, you have an experience that closely
matches what people call a NDE.
scientists were conducting studies on this at one point...the experience
can be explained very vividly, but I'd rather not make this a huge post.
long story short, they believed it gave humans the ability to
communicate with higher beings. Studies were stopped because the
government believed it was hazardous to ethical values on life, and
would cause commotion and damage to religion. So it became illegal.

Something that is naturally produced in our bodies became illegal? Stuff
we're not meant to see. If you wanna know anymore, feel free to msg me,
but i'd rather not post it cuz usually people either hate hearing it, or
think im nuts lol...but I can say I've been there, and I know what I saw
and what happened.

Ahalo, I've had an NDE and I can tell you, it was NOTHING chemically
produced by the brain.

****

This happened a very very long time ago, so I'll have to rely on a
somewhat fuzzy memory.

Sights?

The main thing was an extremely EXTREMELY bright, bright
bright..brilliant..white light. The amazing thing is, I could "look"
directly at it without squinting. Bright lights (even not so bright
ones) really bother my eyes.

Sounds?

I don't recall any audible noise at all.


Feelings/emotions?

At first I was a little bit ...I wouldn't exactly say "frightened."
Maybe a little. More like curious to be going through an experience I
had never gone through. Somewhat confused. That was quickly replaced by
the thought that, "Oh, wow, I get it. I'm DYING!" And I remember
thinking it was kinda "neat" (I guess because I never figured it'd be
like that.)

The confusion was quickly replaced with the most overwhelming sense of
tranquility you can imagine. Words are not sufficient to describe it.

Messages?

I was told to tell Elvis to get his ass out of the Burger King in
Kalamazoo, MI, and come home.

Okay, no I wasn't. That was just a little NDE humor.

Where you givin a task?

No, not that I recall.

Or did you ask for one?

No.

Did you choose to come back or where you sent back?

I was given a choice. I was given a chance to look back and see what was
on earth...I had a 2 y/o daughter at the time. She needed me. I didn't
want to leave, but I knew I'd be back "soon enough."

The most profound thing I think was the fact that I felt like I had form
and substance..definitely no "dream," no "meditative-like state." I did
not feel the same feelings like I do now as a living human being.

Couldn't feel muscle, couldn't feel joints move, couldn't feel any
pain..none of that..

but i felt like I was "something." In fact, I looked down at "myself"
(like at my hand, I think?) and saw there was "nothing" there. Yet I
"felt" all the same.

Okay, bring out the butterfly nets if you must but that's how it was.
But I can tell you...it was as real an experience as any I've ever had.

Thing is, anyone who hasn't gone through it is in no position to explain
it away or dispute it...are they?

hehehe

Nope...

Ahalo, I too have read quite a bit about these experiments. They were
brought about, if I recall, by a woman doctor.

According to those I've read that have studied NDE, there are basically
two types, one is the heaven and one is hell. Both pretty much are
described almost exactly the same by everyone who was interviewed, this
is what led to the idea that there must be something physiological that
occurs. Can't say I ever found out why there was suddenly a lack of
information. Let me know how you discovered why the studies were
halted.

By the way there are a good number of people who have no recollection of
any sensual phenomena in a NDE, and there are others who have a vivid
OBE only with not heaven or hell experience.

jeanc hw do you know it was not chemically induced? As for bright lights
affecting your eyes while you look at them awake, of course you are
looking at them physically with your eyes but in your dreams you are not
using your physical(flesh) eyes to look at these bright lights.

I'm not bashing anyones religion or anything. But I did see a white
light, it was more like a tunnel though. From far away it just looked
like bright white light, but while in that state I got closer and in my
experience, it was a corridor that lead to a room. I talked to people
who have had NDE, which I haven't had one. I described what I saw, and
they kinda tripped out because They said it was so similar to what
happened to them. The exception, is that I went into the corridor which
leads to the white room, it gets even crazier after that.

But here's the link, and why I believe the science behind what I'm
saying. I haven't had a NDE, but with the facts stated of when DMT is
released in the body, the facts speak for themselves in my opinion. So
it would be asked, "why did you see what a person that almost died
seen?" How is it possible? DMT is released right before you die, while
you're awake and alive. Since I had that in my body while I was awake,
It made my body think I was about to die, because thats the only reason
when that chemical is supposed to be in the body while awake.
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here is what really seen if anyones curious, its cool to think its crap
though, I don't mind others opinions.

Basically, it felt like I entered my own mind. What I saw, were brain
waves, and arties...like looking inside of a living humans body
basically, witnessing it first person view. The exception, is that there
was no blood or anything like that, no tissue. Everything was made out
of light energy. It was really really crazy, and I was meandering around
in that state. Until finally I got to the center of where ever I was at.
There was this being sitting cross legged, completely made out of light.
He looked really strange...although he was completely made out of light,
he still had eyes, that were huge, in my experience.

When I first was in there I was scared crapless. Once I got to that
being, it looked into my eyes, and all of a sudden I calmed down
dramatically. It then pointed it's hand in a direction, and this hole
opened up, and a really really bright white light was shining through
it. Right after that, I began to move towards that light, I didn't make
myself move towards it, it was like I didn't have a choice. I felt fine
though, I kept progressing towards it to find that it was a corridor
leading to a room, so to speak.

So then I entered the room, and the outside shut me in. In front of me
was a huge object...it looked like a huge red flower spinning...like a
flower made out of many shapes or something...its hard to explain...but
at best, it loox like a flower. It had a deep black hole in the center.
My body kept drifting towards it, and I felt ok. Until finally, my body
reached that center black hole, and I merged with whatever the heck that
thing was. Right that instant, I didn't remember my name, had no memory,
everything about me was gone...it didn't even feel like i existed
anymore, I didn't feel human. It felt really good, perfectly fine,
somehow it felt like I was supposed to feel that way. Then all of a
sudden, somehow I got pushed out of that hole and away from the flower.
Right after that...I was scared out of my mind, I was terrified of that
thing, it felt like the most worst thing possible just happened to me.

Right after that, I came out of that state. That whole experience felt
like 30 minutes or even longer. I looked at the clock, and realized 3
minutes passed.

They ended studies on it, and considered it a drug...to me they made
that up so people will believe its a hallucinogen, and what you're
seeing is false, and its the equivalent of taking crack or somethin like
that. crack is an abnormality that enters the body, the body isn't meant
to have a preset reaction to deal with it, and its not meant to be in
the body in the first place (unless im mistaken...). DMT, naturally
occurs, we have it in our body every night even. If you believe its the
same as taking crack, thats basically like saying we're drugged up when
we sleep everynight, and dream stuff only because the dosage hasn't
kicked in heavy enough to knock us out so we won't remember it.

Studies were halted for the reasons I stated before. Some scientist
called this "the spirit molecule". There are people who believe spirits
are nothing but a myth, how can something be in us, that isn't connected
to our brain?..people will say so many things to say that the spirit
doesn't exist. Would you say that energy can be a form of a spirit
though? I believe that, therefore I think that we do have a
spirit...that and also when I see research or studies on phenomenon like
ghost, or the likes...it seems to me like they say ghosts create an
energy field around them, sometimes it's even so dense that you can feel
it.

This is just my opinion on everything though, sry its a huge post...in
the end, the possibilities of life and death are endless. Not everyone
interprets things the same way.

jeanc how do you know it was not chemically induced? As for bright
lights affecting your eyes while you look at them awake, of course you
are looking at them physically with your eyes but in your dreams you are
not using your physical(flesh) eyes to look at these bright lights."

I wasn't using my "physical eyes" in this instance either. I wasn't
DREAMING, I was UNCONSCIOUS. Explain to me how a person who isn't
conscious has the capability of remembering events.

I would urge "nonbelievers" to research this with an open mind, instead
of just jumping to conclusions of trying to dismiss it as a "chemical
experience."

As I said, unless a person has gone through it before, the best they can
do is speculate on it and/or try to dismiss it.

I can assure you, it was no "hallucination." There's nothing I can say
that can explain how I know that, so either you'll just have to accept
it, or not accept it.

But I was the one who went through it, so I think I'm really the only
one (versus those who haven't been, I mean) who is in a position to
determine whether or not the experience was "real."

Even though there are some similarities in experiences (which to me is
evidence of truthfulness of the events), there are profound, individual
differences, too.

"But I did see a white light, it was more like a tunnel though."

Yes, I forgot to mention the tunnel. That was the feeling I got right
after I realized I was dying. And the light was far away, but got
closer.

I don't remember a room, per se, in the sense of a real room, but that I
went from one place to another, I guess. I couldn't "physically" see
anything..nothing but that brilliant light.

"I talked to people who have had NDE, which I haven't had one."

??? Explain that statement please.

"I described what I saw, and they kinda tripped out because They said it
was so similar to what happened to them. The exception, is that I went
into the corridor which
leads to the white room, it gets even crazier after that.

But here's the link, and why I believe the science behind what I'm
saying. I haven't had a NDE..."

I'm confused..if you haven't had an NDE, then why do you keep referring
to your describing what you saw? Did I miss something?

"...but with the facts stated of when DMT is released in the body, the
facts speak for themselves in my opinion."

How can the "facts" "speak for themselves," if you've never experienced
it? Hmmm...

"So it would be asked, "why did you see what a person that almost died
seen?" How is it possible? DMT is released right before you die, while
you're awake and alive. Since I had that in my body while I was awake,
It made my body think I was about to die, because thats the only reason
when that chemical is supposed to be in the body while awake."

I'd say having a SIMILAR experience is not tantamount to having the SAME
experience.

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here is what really seen if anyones curious, its cool to think its crap
though, I don't mind others opinions.

"Basically, it felt like I entered my own mind. What I saw, were brain
waves, and arties...like looking inside of a living humans body ..."

I guess I must not have read all the way through..what caused you to see
this? What was going on at the time?

I don't recall anyone having an NDE that stated they saw anything
similar.

"...basically, witnessing it first person view. The exception, is that
there was no blood or anything like that, no tissue. Everything was made
out of light energy. It was really really crazy, and I was meandering
around in that state. Until finally I got to the center of where ever I
was at."


"There was this being sitting cross legged, completely made out of
light. He looked really strange...although he was completely made out of
light, he still had eyes, that were huge, in my experience."

Okay.

"When I first was in there I was scared crapless. Once I got to that
being, it looked into my eyes, and all of a sudden I calmed down
dramatically. It then pointed it's hand in a direction, and this hole
opened up, and a really really bright white light was shining through
it."

I'm still curious as to how you came to this state of being. You claim
you've never had an NDE, yet...???? What was happening during this
experience?

Right after that, I began to move towards that light, I didn't make
myself move towards it, it was like I didn't have a choice. I felt fine
though, I kept progressing towards it to find that it was a corridor ...

So far, sounds relatively similar to what I experienced.

"...leading to a room, so to speak."

Yeah, sort of.

"So then I entered the room, and the outside shut me in. In front of me
was a huge object...it looked like a huge red flower spinning...like a
flower made out of many shapes or something...

I didn't see anything like that.

"its hard to explain...

sure is!

"...at best, it loox like a flower. It had a deep black hole in the
center.

My body kept drifting towards it, and I felt ok. Until finally, my body
reached that center black hole, and I merged with whatever the heck that
thing was. Right that instant, I didn't remember my name, had no memory,
everything about me was gone...it didn't even feel like i existed
anymore, I didn't feel human. It felt really good, perfectly fine,
somehow it felt like I was supposed to feel that way. Then all of a
sudden, somehow I got pushed out of that hole and away from the flower."

Okay.

"Right after that...I was scared out of my mind, I was terrified of that
thing, it felt like the most worst thing possible just happened to me."

That sounds somewhat similar to experiences of people who aren't
religious or spiritual or who don't believe in God. I mean, just from
the research I have done. Experiences describing fear and terror and all
of that.

"Right after that, I came out of that state. That whole experience felt
like 30 minutes or even longer. I looked at the clock, and realized 3
minutes passed."

They ended studies on it, and considered it a drug...to me they made
that up so people will believe its a hallucinogen, and what you're
seeing is false, and its the equivalent of taking crack or somethin like
that."

My experience was NOTHING like what you experience smoking crack.

"Crack is an abnormality that enters the body, the body isn't meant to
have a preset reaction to deal with it, and its not meant to be in the
body in the first place (unless im mistaken...). DMT, naturally occurs,
we have it in our body every night even. If you believe its the same as
taking crack, thats basically like saying we're drugged up when we sleep
everynight, and dream stuff only because the dosage hasn't
kicked in heavy enough to knock us out so we won't remember it."

All that may well be, but I know that my experience wasn't like that.
Granted, I imagine those or similar chemical changes were taking place,
but I don't think that accounts for the spiritual experience at all.

Studies were halted for the reasons I stated before. Some scientist
called this "the spirit molecule".

So I guess you were a part of this study? Forgive me ..I guess I didn't
read your post thoroughly, cuz I don't remember you saying you were.

"There are people who believe spirits are nothing but a myth, how can
something be in us, that isn't connected to our brain?..people will say
so many things to say that the spirit
doesn't exist."

I'd say I'd have to disagree with them.

"Would you say that energy can be a form of a spirit, though?"

Yes!

"I believe that, therefore I think that we do have a
spirit...that and also when I see research or studies on phenomenon like
ghost, or the likes...it seems to me like they say ghosts create an
energy field around them, sometimes it's even so dense that you can feel
it."

Yep.

"This is just my opinion on everything though, sry its a huge post...in
the end, the possibilities of life and death are endless. Not everyone
interprets things the same way."

So true. I believe in God so I believe science and God are interwoven. I
think it's impossible to separate the two.

I know that as a human being I'm much more than just a bunch of
molecules and chemicals thrown together.

Sheila wrote:
“Thing is, anyone who hasn't gone through it is in no position to
explain it away or dispute it...are they?”

I can’t imagine anyone attempting to deny you your experience.

What amazes me is how quick you are to deny them theirs.

OBE and a few visits from relative saying goodbye including my mother.
It was very powerful and i am so blessed with those
visits.

I have had a NDE...I remember nothing, and the hours leading up to the
accident that caused this are also forgotten.Completely unconscious for
fourteen days...I believe? What is far more interesting for me,in my
case, is the resulting changes in my dreams.

Funny thing is that I remember having many dreams, and very vivid ones
at that, prior to this experience. I used to look forward to them at
night...some were of a "releasing nature". Many were repeated over and
over on different occasions...
That all stopped after the accident...although, I know that I still
dream, very seldom do I remember them. Even more intriguing is the
nature of some dreams that ARE remembered... those said dreams have
provided an accurate focus to a particular issue in my life, even if I
was unaware of the need to focus on this issue prior to the dream...This
has not led me to believe that my dreams "come true", no, no...
moreover, that certain truthes have been revealed by them... These
dreams have merely put a possibly hurtful situation into a conscious
state of perspective...

It perplexes me even more so because I have not always had doubt about
these revelations prior to dreaming them.So its not like I have asked
for answers. Therefore at times, the dreams have astounded my senses,
much by surprise.It has taken years and years to accept them for what
they are , because they go against any previous lessons taught as a
child.

Ok...now I can sit back and wonder...who is laughing? I can take it, I
do not blame you...I would have probably chuckled myself, before I knew.

my personal experience...i was fourteen, and had a teensy little meth
problem...i decided i didn't quite like living that way.

well, i took a bottle of pills and laid down to sleep...awoke completely
out of it, world spinning, mom dragging me to the hospital, lights
flashing. my body temp was 78 degrees...yep, 78. i was pretty much
toast. anyhow...i remember all the activated charcoal, the needles, the
bright lights...and then i passed back out and coded. my heart stopped
three times that night...

i remember a voice. a sense of peace...no lights, but feeling as if i
were suspended...and that damned voice, telling me it wasn't my time
yet. i argued, you see...said i WANTED to be dead. that i couldn't
handle my addiction...couldn't handle life, period. i quit, that was
that. i was told not to worry about it...

when i awoke, they ran more blood tests, all that good stuff. there was
no presence of any drug in my body...no meth, no marijuana, nada. i had
no dts...i was completely clean for the first time in over two years.

NDE means you almost died right? I didn't almost die, I just had DMT in
my body while I was awake. So because that was in my body, my body
reacted as if it thought I were dying, so it produced an NDE. Because as
I stated before, DMT is released in the body for ONLY 2 reasons. one is
during REM sleep, and you remember none of what happens to you. 2nd is
RIGHT BEFORE YOU DIE, you become unconscious and have a NDE. The reason
why there was study on DMT, is because they noticed when it is released
in the body, with the exception that no one can record it in there sleep
if they don't remember it, but if you have a NDE, some people can record
it, you remember more if you quickly write what you seen if possible to
do so. They wondered if you experience what you're experiencing because
that chemical is being produced. So they wanted to see if they were
linked. It's a fact that its released during NDE. which is why I say the
facts speak for themselves.

I spoke to people who had NDE, to see if what I saw might have been
similar to what they did, and it was simlar from what they told me.

The people I talked to said what they remember the most was the white
light, They were revived shortly after that. If they hadn't been, I'm
sure the experience would have lasted longer, and who knows if they
would have even lived had the experience completed.

The facts speak for themselves I said right? You have an NDE when you're
unconscious right? Well did you think I was saying I was walking around
in the physical world when I said I seen all that stuff? Of course not,
I was unconscious because of the DMT. Plus. I got the DMT from
indigenous people a friend knew. We were just told to get as peace of
mind as we can and be in separate rooms. Funny thing is, 2 people in
separate rooms, seen the same thing, at the same time, without being
told prior to the experience what we might see. Other people who've
tried this say that throughout the whole experience, the same thing
happens, but there is a point in the experience where they think about
all the things that are going wrong in there life, and become aware that
they need to be changed, and do something about them.

The only major difference there seems to be from people who have done
that experiment, is the being in the center. I explained what I seen as
something that looked somewhat human, but it had very large eyes. My
friend said it was a being that appeared to be human also. Afterwards
though, we got so curious and interested in wth happened, we looked it
up online. Found the studies on it...some scientist say they seen beings
that resembled reptiles which they called reptilian huminoids, others
say they appeared to be demons etc..

We also found that they studied animals as well to see if they also have
that chemical released in them. In humans, it is produced in the pineal
gland. In other species, the pineal gland is called "the partial eye",
or "third eye". They call it that because it functions much like an eye,
also it has a cornea, rod and cone.

Ever after all of this though, I spent a long time trying to figure out
what I seen, why I seen it, making connections, etc. I can't simply look
at DMT as a drug and say "yea man, crazy trip, you get ****ed up on that
**** and see crazy ****". I can't because it naturally occurs in our
bodies. What gets me the most...is that humans only use 10% of their
brains total output capacity. We can study books for years, but even the
smartest most brilliant human beings will reach 1 4th or less. So what
are we truly capable of? It's become obvious that it has more to do with
than book knowledge themselves.

Creativesoul describes his experience...from what you say, it makes me
even think more about our true capabilities. Supposedly there are people
who can see unearthly beings, people who can read into the future, etc.
Some people do say that they dream of things that either end up
happening later, or buff out a very important event in the persons life
that the person isn't aware of. Some people may chuckle, but those are
the people who are scared to question certain things in life.

My opinion might be stupid to lots of people, but I never cared what
they thought of it in the first place. I believe that humans possess
incredible capabilities. Somehow I believe there is probably a key that
can unlock them, but perhaps we're not meant to ever find that key. Good
and Bad things are possible.

Inevitably, we are an existence, and I believe one of our main goals and
priorities is to carry on our existence. If everyone deeply dwelled in
thought about all of this, found certain things out etc, more than
likely it would rob them of living a life viewed as "simple and easy".

u guys can laugh, as long as you're laughing with me not at me =]

I had an out of body experience once while awake (well maybe a couple),
But...I think it was the acid.

But really....I had something happen to me once. NDE, or OBE, I don't
really know which it was.

Kat