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Topic: Immigration Law. Let's Follow the Example of Mexico
willing2's photo
Wed 03/25/09 10:44 AM
In Mexico, an American can work and own a business, with special permission. They are forbidden to do work that a Mexican can do. They won't displace a worker to accommodate an American

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
# Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
# Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
# Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
# The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
# Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
# A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
# A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
# Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
# Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
# Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
# Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
# Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
# "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
# Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
# Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
# A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
# Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)



no photo
Wed 03/25/09 11:09 AM
Interesting--I would suggest you send a copy to our President and to Biil O'Reilly on Fox News.frustrated

Smiggers's photo
Wed 03/25/09 11:31 AM
we have the very same laws. The problem is ya gotta find em and catch em.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 03/25/09 12:24 PM
We ain't mexico...

We are the United States of America.

Potentionally the greatest nation the world has yet seen.

Why would you want to be like mexico?

How many times in the past has the mexican government been changed by revolution of the criminals into the seats of government.


willing2's photo
Wed 03/25/09 12:29 PM

Interesting--I would suggest you send a copy to our President and to Biil O'Reilly on Fox News.frustrated

O'reilly has already done it. Showed the difference.

willing2's photo
Wed 03/25/09 12:33 PM

We ain't mexico...

We are the United States of America.

Potentionally the greatest nation the world has yet seen.

Why would you want to be like mexico?

How many times in the past has the mexican government been changed by revolution of the criminals into the seats of government.



Mexico has a modern Immigration Law. They actually enforce it also.
It would be following a good example.
Besides, we can't seem to keep criminals out of office.
Who or what do you stand to lose or gain by flooding our country with Illegals?

willing2's photo
Wed 03/25/09 12:37 PM

we have the very same laws. The problem is ya gotta find em and catch em.

It's folks like Obama and his puppets who want open borders.
The problem is, Obama and his crew are tying the hands of DHS.
Pelosi, "Enforcing Immigration Law is Un-American."
The Feds know where the majority are working and living.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 03/25/09 12:47 PM
I haven't researched this yet...but going on the OP...I find it ironic that Mexico has these immigration laws but their people come over here and some don't think the US should have the same laws. Many come here legally and get visas if they don't want to get citizenship and to allow others to not do this...is a slap in the face in a way to those that do it the right way IMO

willing2's photo
Thu 03/26/09 08:07 AM
I just have to say. If you're going to defend, protect, harbor, house, and hire the Illegal, you really have no reason to complain about how poor the economy is. I would also see there would be no compassion for the out-of-work and out-of-home American.
The Illegal is part of the economic problem.

scttrbrain's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:01 AM
There are illegals that have been here for over twenty years. They work, pay in taxes...but cannot take advantage of taxes paid in. SSI, FICA, MEDICARE,Yes they pay taxes off their income, groceries,purchases of all kinds. Just as we do.

I wonder where all that tax money is? Where is all that social security that they have paid in? Just sitting in some paperwork somewhere?

Kat

no photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:02 AM

We ain't mexico...

We are the United States of America.

Potentionally the greatest nation the world has yet seen.

Why would you want to be like mexico?

How many times in the past has the mexican government been changed by revolution of the criminals into the seats of government.




every election year

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 07:55 PM

There are illegals that have been here for over twenty years. They work, pay in taxes...but cannot take advantage of taxes paid in. SSI, FICA, MEDICARE,Yes they pay taxes off their income, groceries,purchases of all kinds. Just as we do.

I wonder where all that tax money is? Where is all that social security that they have paid in? Just sitting in some paperwork somewhere?

Kat


ok...maybe someone can explain this to me. This is an honest question....how can they pay into taxes with their incomes if they aren't legally here? such as SSI, FICA and Medicare

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 07:56 PM

There are illegals that have been here for over twenty years. They work, pay in taxes...but cannot take advantage of taxes paid in.


Bull. The illegals take more in tax money than they put in. Look at California. The medical industry is going broke due to the illegal population running to the emergency room every time they come down with the sniffles.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 07:58 PM
Edited by wiley on Thu 03/26/09 08:02 PM


There are illegals that have been here for over twenty years. They work, pay in taxes...but cannot take advantage of taxes paid in. SSI, FICA, MEDICARE,Yes they pay taxes off their income, groceries,purchases of all kinds. Just as we do.

I wonder where all that tax money is? Where is all that social security that they have paid in? Just sitting in some paperwork somewhere?

Kat


ok...maybe someone can explain this to me. This is an honest question....how can they pay into taxes with their incomes if they aren't legally here? such as SSI, FICA and Medicare


I assume she's referring to the illegals with fake SSNs who have automatic payroll deductions. Problem is:

#1 : They have a job that someone who is here legally should have.

#2 : They are ineligible for services that use tax money and take advantage of those services despite being here illegally via loopholes in our laws.

#3 : They are not reporting their income to the IRS so "they" are not paying taxes. Their employer is.

And even if they do pay their taxes, so what? They can go back to the back of the line and wait their turn like everyone else -- IF we decide they can come back. Or should we just do away with immigration entirely and let anyone and everyone who wants to come here do so?


yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 08:00 PM
ty wiley. I though that might be the case but wasn't sure if something changed or not

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 08:01 PM

We ain't mexico...

We are the United States of America.

Potentionally the greatest nation the world has yet seen.

Why would you want to be like mexico?

How many times in the past has the mexican government been changed by revolution of the criminals into the seats of government.




How right you are!!!!

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 08:07 PM


There are illegals that have been here for over twenty years. They work, pay in taxes...but cannot take advantage of taxes paid in.


Bull. The illegals take more in tax money than they put in. Look at California. The medical industry is going broke due to the illegal population running to the emergency room every time they come down with the sniffles.


Add to that the majority of income that the illegals make is going back to Mexico, not staying here in this country. I'm sure that helps our economy tons. [/sarcasm] Of course, that doesn't figure in to the "they're not hurting anybody" line of fallacy that is projected by supporters of illegal immigration.

willing2's photo
Thu 03/26/09 08:07 PM


We ain't mexico...

We are the United States of America.

Potentionally the greatest nation the world has yet seen.

Why would you want to be like mexico?

How many times in the past has the mexican government been changed by revolution of the criminals into the seats of government.





We're probably more like Mexico than you think. How many crooks have been elected here? I'd venture to say at least 90% are owned, bought out, sold us out.

Mexico Immigration Policy is simple and exact. Break the Law, pay the consequences. It would be wonderful to have this example applied here.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 08:08 PM
Edited by wiley on Thu 03/26/09 08:09 PM


We ain't mexico...

We are the United States of America.

Potentionally the greatest nation the world has yet seen.

Why would you want to be like mexico?

How many times in the past has the mexican government been changed by revolution of the criminals into the seats of government.





We're probably more like Mexico than you think. How many crooks have been elected here? I'd venture to say at least 90% are owned, bought out, sold us out.

Mexico Immigration Policy is simple and exact. Break the Law, pay the consequences. It would be wonderful to have this example applied here.


We already have existing laws in place. Problem is, we don't enforce them. We just write new laws that we don't bother enforcing either.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 08:13 PM



There are illegals that have been here for over twenty years. They work, pay in taxes...but cannot take advantage of taxes paid in.


Bull. The illegals take more in tax money than they put in. Look at California. The medical industry is going broke due to the illegal population running to the emergency room every time they come down with the sniffles.


Add to that the majority of income that the illegals make is going back to Mexico, not staying here in this country. I'm sure that helps our economy tons. [/sarcasm] Of course, that doesn't figure in to the "they're not hurting anybody" line of fallacy that is projected by supporters of illegal immigration.


Okay again I will reiterate this. Illegals who go to the hospital get billed just like we do. There are illegals who pay their bills so stop generalizing them as ner-do-wells.

The amount of illegals with fake SS# is not as wide spread as people who hate them would like for everyone else to think.

The problem with illegals is the employers who hire them here. If that problem was addressed we would not have an illegal problem at all.

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