Topic: Immigration Law. Let's Follow the Example of Mexico
wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:54 PM
And children of illegal immigrants aren't allowed to be excluded from Public Schools.


A 1982 decision of the U.S. Supreme Court prohibits the state of Texas and other states from denying educational services to those who are in this country illegally.

If the illegals aren't paying for their kids to go to school, guess who is...

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:56 PM
Modern legislation has introduced great changes. Reform has followed two distinct lines of thought: the need to stem illegal immigration, and the desire to make the law more fair for legal immigrants. Congress tackled the first issue in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) (Pub. L. No. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, codified as amended in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). The IRCA toughened criminal sanctions for employers who hire illegal aliens, denied these aliens federally funded welfare benefits, and legitimized some aliens through an amnesty program. Related legislation, the Immigration Marriage Fraud Amendments of 1986, 8 U.S.C.A. § 1101 note et seq., cracked down on the popular illegal practice of marrying to obtain citizenship. Fairness issues helped influence the second major reform, the Immigration Act of 1990, Pub. L. No. 101-649, 104 Stat. 4978 (codified in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). Thoroughly revamping the INA, the 1990 act allocated visas more evenly among foreign nations, eliminated archaic rules, and increased the level of worldwide immigration by 35 percent, to an annual level of 675,000. Congress slightly modified the 1990 act with the Technical

http://www.answers.com/topic/alien

Here is one that lists a whole lot of laws and definitions but I am not going to go through them all. Too much work for something I already know I am right about. You will have to search it out yourself.

I know the laws. I used to work the laws.


Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:58 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Thu 03/26/09 10:58 PM

And children of illegal immigrants aren't allowed to be excluded from Public Schools.


A 1982 decision of the U.S. Supreme Court prohibits the state of Texas and other states from denying educational services to those who are in this country illegally.

If the illegals aren't paying for their kids to go to school, guess who is...


We have always been free with education. People from other countries come here and go to school too on our dime, college. So that is policy.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:59 PM

Modern legislation has introduced great changes. Reform has followed two distinct lines of thought: the need to stem illegal immigration, and the desire to make the law more fair for legal immigrants. Congress tackled the first issue in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) (Pub. L. No. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, codified as amended in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). The IRCA toughened criminal sanctions for employers who hire illegal aliens, denied these aliens federally funded welfare benefits, and legitimized some aliens through an amnesty program. Related legislation, the Immigration Marriage Fraud Amendments of 1986, 8 U.S.C.A. § 1101 note et seq., cracked down on the popular illegal practice of marrying to obtain citizenship. Fairness issues helped influence the second major reform, the Immigration Act of 1990, Pub. L. No. 101-649, 104 Stat. 4978 (codified in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). Thoroughly revamping the INA, the 1990 act allocated visas more evenly among foreign nations, eliminated archaic rules, and increased the level of worldwide immigration by 35 percent, to an annual level of 675,000. Congress slightly modified the 1990 act with the Technical

http://www.answers.com/topic/alien

Here is one that lists a whole lot of laws and definitions but I am not going to go through them all. Too much work for something I already know I am right about. You will have to search it out yourself.

I know the laws. I used to work the laws.



That's not a government site. whoa

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:00 PM
I wanted to say that

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:01 PM


Modern legislation has introduced great changes. Reform has followed two distinct lines of thought: the need to stem illegal immigration, and the desire to make the law more fair for legal immigrants. Congress tackled the first issue in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) (Pub. L. No. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, codified as amended in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). The IRCA toughened criminal sanctions for employers who hire illegal aliens, denied these aliens federally funded welfare benefits, and legitimized some aliens through an amnesty program. Related legislation, the Immigration Marriage Fraud Amendments of 1986, 8 U.S.C.A. § 1101 note et seq., cracked down on the popular illegal practice of marrying to obtain citizenship. Fairness issues helped influence the second major reform, the Immigration Act of 1990, Pub. L. No. 101-649, 104 Stat. 4978 (codified in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). Thoroughly revamping the INA, the 1990 act allocated visas more evenly among foreign nations, eliminated archaic rules, and increased the level of worldwide immigration by 35 percent, to an annual level of 675,000. Congress slightly modified the 1990 act with the Technical

http://www.answers.com/topic/alien

Here is one that lists a whole lot of laws and definitions but I am not going to go through them all. Too much work for something I already know I am right about. You will have to search it out yourself.

I know the laws. I used to work the laws.



That's not a government site. whoa


Oh well best I am going to do. I know I am right and you are not so your loss not mine.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:01 PM


And children of illegal immigrants aren't allowed to be excluded from Public Schools.


A 1982 decision of the U.S. Supreme Court prohibits the state of Texas and other states from denying educational services to those who are in this country illegally.

If the illegals aren't paying for their kids to go to school, guess who is...


We have always been free with education. People from other countries come here and go to school too on our dime, college. So that is policy.


Yeah but a minute ago you said they weren't benefiting from any tax money. Which is it?

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:02 PM



Modern legislation has introduced great changes. Reform has followed two distinct lines of thought: the need to stem illegal immigration, and the desire to make the law more fair for legal immigrants. Congress tackled the first issue in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) (Pub. L. No. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, codified as amended in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). The IRCA toughened criminal sanctions for employers who hire illegal aliens, denied these aliens federally funded welfare benefits, and legitimized some aliens through an amnesty program. Related legislation, the Immigration Marriage Fraud Amendments of 1986, 8 U.S.C.A. § 1101 note et seq., cracked down on the popular illegal practice of marrying to obtain citizenship. Fairness issues helped influence the second major reform, the Immigration Act of 1990, Pub. L. No. 101-649, 104 Stat. 4978 (codified in scattered sections of the U.S.C.A.). Thoroughly revamping the INA, the 1990 act allocated visas more evenly among foreign nations, eliminated archaic rules, and increased the level of worldwide immigration by 35 percent, to an annual level of 675,000. Congress slightly modified the 1990 act with the Technical

http://www.answers.com/topic/alien

Here is one that lists a whole lot of laws and definitions but I am not going to go through them all. Too much work for something I already know I am right about. You will have to search it out yourself.

I know the laws. I used to work the laws.



That's not a government site. whoa


Oh well best I am going to do. I know I am right and you are not so your loss not mine.


Of course you are right. You always are. whoa

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:03 PM
They do receive healthcare from hospitals. but even common sense will tell you this much....they get paid very little with money sent to families...correct? how do they afford the hospital bills? how does the hospital collect? most can collect from the driver's license provided as well as the information given....with this they can go against your credit, sue, send collection notices, etc. how does this happen if someone doesn't have ID? or not here legally?

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:04 PM
Edited by wiley on Thu 03/26/09 11:05 PM

They do receive healthcare from hospitals. but even common sense will tell you this much....they get paid very little with money sent to families...correct? how do they afford the hospital bills? how does the hospital collect? most can collect from the driver's license provided as well as the information given....with this they can go against your credit, sue, send collection notices, etc. how does this happen if someone doesn't have ID? or not here legally?


Fake ID. Happens all the time. Or they just fill out the hospital forms with fraudulent information.

What can they do though? It's illegal for them to turn them away.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:07 PM


They do receive healthcare from hospitals. but even common sense will tell you this much....they get paid very little with money sent to families...correct? how do they afford the hospital bills? how does the hospital collect? most can collect from the driver's license provided as well as the information given....with this they can go against your credit, sue, send collection notices, etc. how does this happen if someone doesn't have ID? or not here legally?


Fake ID. Happens all the time. Or they just fill out the hospital forms with fraudulent information.

What can they do though? It's illegal for them to turn them away.


yep. you are right

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:09 PM
now I realize this is from 2006...but makes you wonder how much it is now?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp


wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:15 PM


The largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women, hospital figures show. Contrary to popular belief here, their care is not paid for through local taxes. Under a 2002 amendment to federal regulations, the births are covered by federal taxes through Medicaid because their children automatically become American citizens.

These cases are not affected by new regulations that went into effect on July 1 [2006] requiring Medicaid patients to provide proof of citizenship, Texas health officials said. They said they believed that only small numbers of illegal immigrants had received other Medicaid benefits.


So much for no Medicaid.




Winx's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:46 PM



The largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women, hospital figures show. Contrary to popular belief here, their care is not paid for through local taxes. Under a 2002 amendment to federal regulations, the births are covered by federal taxes through Medicaid because their children automatically become American citizens.

These cases are not affected by new regulations that went into effect on July 1 [2006] requiring Medicaid patients to provide proof of citizenship, Texas health officials said. They said they believed that only small numbers of illegal immigrants had received other Medicaid benefits.


So much for no Medicaid.





No Medicaid in my state.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:49 PM
Edited by wiley on Thu 03/26/09 11:49 PM




The largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women, hospital figures show. Contrary to popular belief here, their care is not paid for through local taxes. Under a 2002 amendment to federal regulations, the births are covered by federal taxes through Medicaid because their children automatically become American citizens.

These cases are not affected by new regulations that went into effect on July 1 [2006] requiring Medicaid patients to provide proof of citizenship, Texas health officials said. They said they believed that only small numbers of illegal immigrants had received other Medicaid benefits.


So much for no Medicaid.







No Medicaid in my state.


Sure. But to be fair, are you in a border state? Different rules apply.

Winx's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:55 PM





The largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women, hospital figures show. Contrary to popular belief here, their care is not paid for through local taxes. Under a 2002 amendment to federal regulations, the births are covered by federal taxes through Medicaid because their children automatically become American citizens.

These cases are not affected by new regulations that went into effect on July 1 [2006] requiring Medicaid patients to provide proof of citizenship, Texas health officials said. They said they believed that only small numbers of illegal immigrants had received other Medicaid benefits.


So much for no Medicaid.




No Medicaid in my state.


Sure. But to be fair, are you in a border state? Different rules apply.


Missouri.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 11:57 PM






The largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women, hospital figures show. Contrary to popular belief here, their care is not paid for through local taxes. Under a 2002 amendment to federal regulations, the births are covered by federal taxes through Medicaid because their children automatically become American citizens.

These cases are not affected by new regulations that went into effect on July 1 [2006] requiring Medicaid patients to provide proof of citizenship, Texas health officials said. They said they believed that only small numbers of illegal immigrants had received other Medicaid benefits.


So much for no Medicaid.




No Medicaid in my state.


Sure. But to be fair, are you in a border state? Different rules apply.


Missouri.


Right. So that's a no then.

mariposakc's photo
Fri 03/27/09 12:00 AM
More accurately, the Federal law states that public education K-12 not be denied any student regardless of status. This law does not include higher education.

We all benefit when students, documented or undocumented who are educated. Like it or not...I would rather pay for their education then foot the bill for them to sit in prisons.

I have no problem with discussion about rehauling our antiquated immigration laws and the enforcement of said laws. However, I do have a problem when the discussion is focused on one population. I find it interesting that this topic was never so much discussed until the 2000 census came out stating the Hispanic population as the majority minority and predicted that in 25 years the Hispanic population would be the majority population.




And children of illegal immigrants aren't allowed to be excluded from Public Schools.


A 1982 decision of the U.S. Supreme Court prohibits the state of Texas and other states from denying educational services to those who are in this country illegally.

If the illegals aren't paying for their kids to go to school, guess who is...

wiley's photo
Fri 03/27/09 12:02 AM
Edited by wiley on Fri 03/27/09 12:03 AM

More accurately, the Federal law states that public education K-12 not be denied any student regardless of status. This law does not include higher education.

We all benefit when students, documented or undocumented who are educated. Like it or not...I would rather pay for their education then foot the bill for them to sit in prisons.

I have no problem with discussion about rehauling our antiquated immigration laws and the enforcement of said laws. However, I do have a problem when the discussion is focused on one population. I find it interesting that this topic was never so much discussed until the 2000 census came out stating the Hispanic population as the majority minority and predicted that in 25 years the Hispanic population would be the majority population.




And children of illegal immigrants aren't allowed to be excluded from Public Schools.


A 1982 decision of the U.S. Supreme Court prohibits the state of Texas and other states from denying educational services to those who are in this country illegally.

If the illegals aren't paying for their kids to go to school, guess who is...



Makes sense though. A lot easier to cross the border by land than by sea/air. And the problem isn't their getting an education. The problem is the lack of enforcement of our immigration laws and the apparent willingness of our own government to let it continue to slide.

The Hispanic population isn't the only one to benefit from this, but they are the majority.

willing2's photo
Sat 03/28/09 05:11 PM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 03/28/09 05:15 PM
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