Topic: Immigration Law. Let's Follow the Example of Mexico
Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 09:51 PM


Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


Very few and they are not nationally funded. They are only funded by local charities. So not tax payer funded. Can't complain about that.

Winx's photo
Thu 03/26/09 09:51 PM


Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


My mother worked for the company that is in charge of WIC, heat grants, electric grants, and Head Start for our city.

The illegals are not able to receive anything from WIC, heat grants, electric grants, or Head Start.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 09:52 PM








Just some of the Federal programs: http://www.educationmoney.com/immigration_refugees.html

Note the ones that bar discrimination due to citizenship status or country of origin. Nowhere does it say that these programs are strictly limited to citizens.




Go into TANF eligibility in the government sites. Go into Foodstamp eligibility in the government sites. Go into Medicaid eligibility in the government sites and you will find that they are only for citizens.


And what do any of those programs have to do with any of the programs listed from the link I provided? Nothing. whoa


Refugees are not illegally here so that is not valid either.


And if refugees were the only ones eligible for the programs, your point would be...


Refugees are legally here. We take them in and give them citizenship. They are legally here so they cannot be counted as part of the "illegal" problem.


Uh huh. And like I said, if they were the only ones eligible for the programs... But you're still hung up on refugees.

Here's a tip: "Entrants" aren't refugees.

Here's another: It doesn't say they have to be on welfare to qualify. The funds are for areas with high welfare utilization. If welfare utilization is high in a state, "entrants" are eligible for the funds regardless of whether they are actually on welfare or not.


Isn't that funny how you can interpret so much from so little. Nice try but not correct.


Right. They pay their taxes. They pay their bills. With no assistance and crap paying jobs. I keep forgetting. whoa

Winx's photo
Thu 03/26/09 09:53 PM



Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


Very few and they are not nationally funded. They are only funded by local charities. So not tax payer funded. Can't complain about that.


I see that in my city. There's a Catholic church that helps them here. It's a Hispanic church now. There's also a Hispanic health clinic run by Hispanic people.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 09:56 PM



Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


My mother worked for the company that is in charge of WIC, heat grants, electric grants, and Head Start for our city.

The illegals are not able to receive anything from WIC, heat grants, electric grants, or Head Start.


Who's talking about WIC? whoa

Most of these programs fall under DHHS.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:01 PM
http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:06 PM

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html


Well that doesn't mesh with the pro illegal immigration crowd so wait for the "biased" and "inaccurate" accusations that should be forthcoming.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:07 PM
Edited by wiley on Thu 03/26/09 10:07 PM



Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


Very few and they are not nationally funded. They are only funded by local charities. So not tax payer funded. Can't complain about that.


Right. Except for all those State programs out there too. Like California. Oh right, you want to ignore those. I forget. Never mind that those state programs are funded with Federal tax money. Oops again.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:09 PM


http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html


Well that doesn't mesh with the pro illegal immigration crowd so wait for the "biased" and "inaccurate" accusations that should be forthcoming.


drinker

Winx's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:12 PM
Edited by Winx on Thu 03/26/09 10:15 PM




Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


My mother worked for the company that is in charge of WIC, heat grants, electric grants, and Head Start for our city.

The illegals are not able to receive anything from WIC, heat grants, electric grants, or Head Start.


Who's talking about WIC? whoa

Most of these programs fall under DHHS.


I'm naming some things that they don't receive. WIC doesn't fall under Family Services here. My mom's company does WIC.

They don't receive state health care here either.


wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:14 PM





Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


My mother worked for the company that is in charge of WIC, heat grants, electric grants, and Head Start for our city.

The illegals are not able to receive anything from WIC, heat grants, electric grants, or Head Start.


Who's talking about WIC? whoa

Most of these programs fall under DHHS.


I'm naming some things that they don't receive. WIC doesn't fall under Family Services here. My mom's company does WIC.


So what? They're eligible for other programs. Have been for quite some time now.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:16 PM




Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


Very few and they are not nationally funded. They are only funded by local charities. So not tax payer funded. Can't complain about that.


Right. Except for all those State programs out there too. Like California. Oh right, you want to ignore those. I forget. Never mind that those state programs are funded with Federal tax money. Oops again.


The federal government allows no money for illegals so if the state is choosing to do it, it is not with federal money. The feds have not allowed illegals to receive anything from them for a long long time now. Foodstamps is almost all federal, welfare is at least half federal funded and Medicaid is about 40 percent federal funded.

I worked for the welfare department so I do know these things. I also know that most states do not have a way of tracking illegals. That is why there is all the misinformation out there.

Winx's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:17 PM
Edited by Winx on Thu 03/26/09 10:18 PM
What programs?

They can't receive State Health Insurance, TANF, food stamps, heat grants, electric grants, WIC, and Head Start.

What other programs are you thinking that they receive?


wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:18 PM

The federal government allows no money for illegals


You're assuming that the Federal programs that the states are drawing the money from for their programs have these requirements. Not all of them do.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:23 PM






Missouri TANF requirements:

General Program Requirements
In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of Missouri, either pregnant or responsible for a child under 19 years of age, a US national, citizen, legal alien, or permanent resident, have low or very low income, and be either under-employed (working for very low wages), unemployed or about to become unemployed.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_category&_nfls=false&bid=1668&mode=report

Illegals do NOT receive welfare.




Why do they need welfare? They have their own programs. whoa


My mother worked for the company that is in charge of WIC, heat grants, electric grants, and Head Start for our city.

The illegals are not able to receive anything from WIC, heat grants, electric grants, or Head Start.


Who's talking about WIC? whoa

Most of these programs fall under DHHS.


I'm naming some things that they don't receive. WIC doesn't fall under Family Services here. My mom's company does WIC.


So what? They're eligible for other programs. Have been for quite some time now.


No they are not. It is all lies. Made up to incite anger in others.

TJN's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:24 PM
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=5411

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:25 PM


The federal government allows no money for illegals


You're assuming that the Federal programs that the states are drawing the money from for their programs have these requirements. Not all of them do.


They have no choice, the money is not earmarked, alloted for illegals so if they do not put into their laws they cannot get the funding.

wiley's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:27 PM
Edited by wiley on Thu 03/26/09 10:29 PM

What programs?

They can't receive State Health Insurance, TANF, food stamps, heat grants, electric grants, WIC, and Head Start.

What other programs are you thinking that they receive?




It varies by state, but these are some of the bigger ones.

1. Old Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance (OASDI)

This is America's largest social security program, providing basic retirement income and protection against disability or covered workers and their survivors. Federally administered, OASDI is financed by payroll taxes on workers and their employers; in 1993 it paid out $302 billion in retirement and disability benefits.3 In addition, payroll tax finances basic health insurance (Medicare) for covered persons who are 65 or older, at a cost of $143 billion in 1993.

Participation in OASDI and the accompanying Medicare is mandatory for virtually all persons authorised to work in the United States. Because they are not eligible to work, illegal aliens have, since 1972, theoretically, not been able to enrol for this form of social security. However, many who have concealed their illegality now receive benefits in the U.S. or in their countries of origin. Estimates of total OASDI outlays for immigrants in 1993 range from $1.3 billion to $18.9 billion.4

2. Free public education from kindergarten through high school

All resident school-age immigrants, regardless of their immigration status, are entitled to free public education under a 1982 Supreme Court decision. Non-im- migrant aliens may also use the public schools in some circumstances. Total public outlays for public education in 1993 were $253.8 billion, 90 per cent of which came from state and local taxes. Estimates of the cost of educating immigrant children in 1993 range from $13.0 billion to $18.0 billion.

3. Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC)

This program is financed by Washington and the states; it provides $16 billion a year in cash welfare payments for the families of needy dependent children. Legal immigrants (including refugees and asylees) are eligible for AFDC, though sponsored legal immigrants are subject to a deeming' requirement which is a form of means testing. Under deeming', if a sponsored immigrant applies for AFDC, the income and resources of the sponsor are deemed' to be available for the immigrant's support for five years. The non-enforceability of affidavits of support and the limited use by state administrators of the deeming' provision have weakened cost controls. (Refugees and asylees are not subject to any deeming test.)


5. Medicaid

Medicaid is a $108 billion a year program of medical assistance for low-income persons who are aged, blind or disabled, or for members of families with needy dependent children. People eligible for AFDC and SSI are normally also entitled to Medicaid. The program is means-tested for all, but deeming' is not applied to immigrants. Legal immigrants and PRUCOL aliens are eligible for Medicaid. Illegal aliens receive only emergency medical care, including assistance for pregnancy. Costs of Medicaid for immigrants in 1993 ranged from an estimated $8.2 billion to $9.1 billion.


8. Housing assistance

Federal housing assistance, comprising public housing, rent supplements, and subsidised housing for low-income families, cost $21.8 billion in 1993. Legal and PRUCOL aliens are eligible. In principle, illegal aliens and non-immigrants are barred. But the Department of Housing and Urban Development has been blocked from implementing this ban since 1980. Estimates of federal housing assistance to immigrants in 1993 run from $940 million to $1.8 billion.

9. Earned Income Tax Credit

The Federal Earned Income Tax Credit scheme uses the income tax system to distribute grants of up to $3000 a year to low-income working families with children. Until 1994, anyone who worked, filed a tax return and met family and income requirements, was eligible. Illegal aliens and non-immigrants are now ineligible, though systems for screening them out are lacking. Grants under this program totalled $16.5 billion in 1993. The share distributed to immigrants was estimated at $1.8 billion.

Other sizeable federal and state assistance programs open to legal immigrants and PRUCOL aliens are: public higher education and student loans; general relief (a state welfare program); and an array of health and family services provided by county and city governments. In many states and communities, no attempt is made to exclude illegal aliens from public universities and from local health and family services. The cost of providing these programs to immigrants was estimated at $13.2 billion in 1992.

Winx's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:27 PM
Edited by Winx on Thu 03/26/09 10:40 PM
Oops.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 03/26/09 10:28 PM


Not a government site.