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False gods and prohets

Can someone explain to me why it is that Christians feel like it's perfectly acceptable to tell everyone else that their Gods and Prophets are false, but whenever someone tells the Christians that the Bible is false they take conniptions and scream insult and injury?

Where does this one-way bigotry come from?

This like people who live in glass houses throwing stones. If they don't want other people telling them that their docrines are false doctrines then why do they continually insist that eveyone else's doctrines are false?

This is the problem I have with this religion. It's so unrealistically bigoted.

If people want to believe in a particular doctrine or have a 'personal walk' with their God more power to them.

But the problem with Christians is that they insist that their doctrine is the only true doctrine and anyone who refuses to believe it is an immoral person who is rejecting God.

This has been the crux of religious conflicts throughout the last few millennium.

If Christians want to publically demand that the Bible is the only word of God then they need to face the music and accept intellectual criticism of their doctrine without screaming foul, or 'bashing'.

From my point of view the Bible has some MAJOR internal problems of its own. And these are legitimate concerns.

1. The Biblical God is appeased by blood sacrifices.

There's two problems with this:

First, this is a common theme in all religious mythologies that have arisen in the Mediterranean region including Greek Mythology.

Secondly, what's divine about being appeased by blood sacrifices? There's nothing divine about that at all IMHO.

2. The Biblical God condones male-chauvinsim, slavery, the murdering of heathens in his name, and is bigoted against such things as same-gender love.

Again, these are all things that are far from divine.

3. According to the Gospels Jesus rebuked many of the nasty things that came from the God of the Old Testament.

In fact, this is precisely why so many people like Jesus, because he actually rebuked the violent crap of God of Abraham.

Yet, somehow they want to believe that he was the son (and the blood sacrifice) of that violent God of the Old Testament.

4. According to the scriptures the authors of all the gospels have Jesus clearly stating that everything he was prophesizing would come to pass before the current generation passed.

So even if we were to accept the Gospels as truth there would be absolutely no reason to believe that Jesus would be coming back 2000 years later.

In fact, the Bible has Jesus coming back a mere 3 days after he died. And according to Matthew a mulitude of saints rose up from their graves at the same time and went into the holy city to appear before the people.

Well, there you go. The raptures over. According to the story Jesus already collected the people he wanted and left. According to the story we have nothing left to conclude but that we are the descendents of the rejects.

If we are to give any trust to the words of the Gospels we have no choice but to believe this because all the Gospels clearly have Jesus saying that everything he prophesized would come to pass before the current generation passed. So if he had prophesied a rapture (which he did according to Matthew) then it would have had to have already taken place within that same generation.

So even if we were willing to accept the story as being true we'd have to reject the mordern Christian's view of the story. They have it all wrong! Their doctrine simply doesn't support the things they claim.

If we are to TRUST the words of Jesus as quoted in the gospels we MUST conclude that everything that Jesus prophesized had already come to pass within the generation of the people he was talking to.

Nothing would apply to us (a generation some 2000 years later!).

The Bible just doesn't support modern day Christianity.

That's all there is to it.

The doctrine doesn't support the religion.

I still fail to see how your belief of "false gods and prophets" somehow erases the facts that their stories were in existence long before the story of your jesus was.

misunderstanding???

ALL ARE CHLD GODS???

jesus said, "what YE have done unto the least of these, YE have done unto me???

so if jesus was god, and one's actions unto the "least" of these is as doing it unto "god", then the same bear witness again, that ALL are gods, and all done to all is doing it unto "gods"???

love thy enemey as thyself???

the same bear witness again, THAT JESUS, AS "LORD OF TRUTH", or just speaking MOST TRUTH for his time, NOT being a single "god", TRIED TO MAKE THE "TRUE ARROGANT HEARTS", that used belief to "oust" other's as NOT OF GOD, see ALL AS EQUAL???

love thy neighbor as thyself???

EQUAL AGAIN???

HOW CAN IT NOT BE EQUAL???

again, it does not say, the neighbor that "believe the same doctrine"???

and again, jesus saying, "I HAVE FELT IN ALL WAYS AS ALL MAN"???

so jesus himself, bearing witness, trying to make the "single notion", or single diety, absolete???

saying in all essence I AM A MAN???

and then again, john the revelator, in revelations, had an "angel" come to him, and john bowed, to the one who GAVE HIM ALL DATA WRITTEN IN REVELATIONS, and THAT SAME ANGEL SAID, "GET UP", I AM AS YOURSELF, OF THE BRETHREN"???

THE ONE THAT FOUGHT FOR "EQUAL"???

HUMANS???

so the angel, that john DECLARED AT FIRST, AS DIETY, AS GOD, TOLD JOHN HE WAS BUT A HUMAN, AS JOHN WAS???

SO AGAIN, BEARING WITNESS TO ALL ARE GODS???

ALL THAT EVER WAS GOOD, ALLL DOWN THRU HISTORY WAS FIGHTING FOR "EQUAL", WHICH IS LOVE???

so, it can be clearly seen, that there is not just a "few tells" of what any greater reality may be, NO MATTER HOW LONG THIS "SINGULAR NOTION" has been perpetuated, most by "entities" that wish to perpetuate a NEED FOR ITSELF AS SPIRITUAL LEADERS, AND INTERCESSORS OR DIVINE INTERPRETOR'S, BETWEEN "GOD AND MAN"???

and what again, of the saying by jesus, speaking of when "heaven on earth" was to come, as PEACE, "in that day, you shall have need of no man"???

and what of the saying, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BE WITHIN???

heaven on earth was called PEACE ON EARTH???

WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF PEACE???

EQUAL???

how can DOCTRINE BE THE WAY, WHICH COME FROM "OUTSIDE DATA", IF THE KINGDOM BE WITHIN???

if the kingdom of god be within, THEN IS THAT NOT GOD WITHIN???

so a sight of TRUE EQUALITY WITHIN???

SO IF GOD BE WITHIN, as equality within, IS THAT NOT HUMANS AS GODS???

WOULD THAT NOT EXPLAIN, ALL THE MYTHS PASSED DOWN "FROM EQUAL PEOPLE TO SELF", FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION, OF A TIME WHEN "GODS", OR ANGELS, OR ET'S, WALKED THE EARTH???

springing forth from the beginning of the last CURRENT HISTORY PERIOD???

THE END OF THE LAST PLEISTOCENE AGE???

ALL RELIGIONS TELLING OF THIS SAME THING???

just as text said the "sins of the families are passed down from generation to generation", THEN IF THERE IS "EQUAL SIGHT", RELEASED FROM "WITHIN", THEN THE "TRUTH AS WELL", HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION???

the "garden of eden", atlantis, easter island, socratee's, casey, nostrodamis, and MANY OTHER'S, ALL TELLING THE TRUTH, PASSED DOWN, OF A TIME WHEN "QUANTUM PHYSICS" WAS AS REALITY???

science and religions in reality, ALL SAYING THE SAME THING, BUT BIAS OF THE HEART, THAT SEE ONE RELIGION, ONE WAY, AS BETTER, CANNOT, AND WILL NOT, ALLOW THE MIND TO LET THE HEART RECOGNIZE IT???

IF ALL ARE BORN "INTO" SIN, SIN WAS SAID TO BE "BLINDED", BORN SPEAKING LIES???

SO NOT YET SEEING EQUAL???

so GOD or "time release pre-programming", just as "physical dna control the physical makeup, so does "dna" of the human ITSELF, HIDE THE TRUTH UNTIL TIME, SO WHO IS GUILTY, as pre-destination, or pre-planned time, say when ANYTHING IS REGISTERED TO THE HUMAN BRAIN, SINCE IT SEE TRILLIONS OF FRAMES OF DATA, AND ONLY A MICROSCOPIC AMOUNT REGISTER???

SO WE ARE TO JUST "ASSUME", THAT SELF DECIDED WITH SOME INTELLIGENCE WHAT IT BELIEVE???

the brain simply at first, BELIEVE WHAT IT HEAR FROM THE "OUTSIDE", THAT "IDENTIFY AND VALIDATE" HOW THE HEART FIRST FEEL???

SELF CENTERED???

NOT ALL HUMAN NEEDS AND WANTS AS EQUAL, BUT SELF AS MOST IMPORTANT???

a total natrual human thing, but a greater was said to come???

ANYTHING THEN, CAN BE "HATE VALIDATION", OR UNFAIRNESS VALIDATION, OR IMPURE VALIDATION, OR UNCLEAN VALIDATION TO SELF, BUT ONLY EQUAL BE THE TRUE TELL???

SO IF SELF FIND OUTSIDE DATA, THAT ALL ARE NOT EQUAL, WITH SOME VALIDATION, THEN IT FIRST THOUGHT THIS IN IT'S INCEPTION, WHICH IS WHAT IT MEANT ALL ARE BORN "FIRST INTO SIN"???

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT SELF "FIRST BELIEVED", AND JUST FOUND DATA TO BACK THAT UP???

LIKEWISE, IF THERE IS A DEFINITION TAKEN, ALL SCIENCE, ALL LOGIC, SHOW THERE "MUST" BE A "OPPOSITE DEFINITION POSSIBLE", THAT THE LOVING HEART, THAT SEE ALL AS EQUAL, HAS AVAILABLE TO ITSELF, IF IT WISHED OR FELT IN THE HEART SUCH WAS TRUE???

the heart feel, BEFORE IT READ ANY DATA, THEN THE MIND INTERPRET WHAT THE DATA MEANT???

so does anything "misunderstand"???

no, ALL THINGS UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY, what the words read MEAN TO ITSELF, filtering them thru it's own BIAS OR NO BIAS, WHICH IS BUT UNEQUAL OR EQUAL???

SO, ALL THINGS ARE READ, and heard, thru the way the heart "feel", or first believe, then "interpretions" are made accordingly???

THIS IN NO WAY MEANS THEY ARE THE MOST ACCURATE, IF SELF HAS NO KNOWING OF EVEN WHAT THE FOUNDATION OF ANY TRUTH OR GOOD OR LOVE MUST BE???

the catcher in the rye was "false doctrine", because the READER FIRST "FELT", SO BELIEVED, then made the words to spell "evil" for Lennon???

what the heart wishes, which most naturally, is to make all things suite what self first think and believe???

pretty simply human nature is it not???

the brain can prove what it WANT, WHAT IT WISH TO BELIEVE OF ITSELF AS BETTER???

the heart, or awareness, is SEPERATE???

IT IS NOT THE BRAIN???

IT ANSWER THE "COMPARATIVE SO BIASED BRAIN" WITH IT'S OWN ANSWER???

if this be so, then WHAT IS THE BAR TO MEASURE SELF AGAISNT???

god???

a interpretation of god???

how can it be founded in anything but EQUAL???

is not the very first premise, of greater good of humanity, to coincide with any greater "good of god"???

and that is supposed to be "perfect love" is it not???

what is perfect love???

equal???

is canont be some act of kindness, or "sign", or some "certain" actions, OR SOME CERTAIN WORDS, as ALL ACTIONS, all words, CAN BE "IDENTICAL", COMING FROM either EVIL OR GOOD???

a kiss can be for love or betrayal, deciet of self love, or loving another more than self???

mnurder can be to protect a loved one, or for malice, BUT BOTH LOOK THE SAME IN ACTION???

IS THAT WHY JESUS WAS NOT WHAT ALL PAINT HIM TO BE, SOME SOFT SPOKEN KIND MAN ALONE, BUT STANDING AGAINST, "UNEQUALITY", WITH ALL EMOTIONS NEEDED "DEPENDING ON THE INDIVIDUAL MET"???

a "case by case basis", as of course, each is unique, AN ONLY BEGOTTEN, AS TEXT ALSO SAY, "EACH SOUL IS WORTH A THOUSAND LANDS TO GOD", and, each are "children of the MOST HIGH", and, "each are given a measure of faith"???

who give faith but god???

faith unto what???

EQUAL???

all are equal???

to look at THE PRESENT alone, decieve, but what is the same in current time, and ALL HISTORY, AS BEING "SLOWLY LEARNED???

ALL ARE EQUAL???

IS THAT NOT THEN THE ENTIRE "LEARNING OF HUMAN MAN", OR CHILD GODS, ABLE TO BE IDENTIFIED AND SEEN IN ALL HUMAN CIVILIZAZATION???

equal, equal, equal???

god so loved the "world"???

"WORLD" SPELLS EQUAL DOES IT NOT???

does that say some are disposal, expendible, for the "evil trash man" to dispose of, as ONE DIETY HAS ALWAYS SEEN AND INTERPRETED IT???

DOES IT NOT HAVE TO, AND ALWAYS WILL, HAVE TO MAKE IT AS SUCH, TO FIT THE BELIEF, BUT THE BELIEF IS WHAT THE "HEART WISH", WHICH DID NOT FIRST SEE ALL AS EQUAL, SO READ NOT "THRU ALL AS EQUAL"???

IF ONE READ TEXT, THRU ALL AS EUQAL, THE ENTIRE MEANING IS DIFFERENT, AND SO IS ANY AND ALL OTHER RELIGIONS, ALL HEARD TOTALLY DIFFERENT, IF READ THRU EQUAL???

if one say's, that "all are not gods", then this would be true, as anything that see not other's as EQUAL to itself, are not YET GODS, but still little SATAN'S, carring pitchforks, to stab other's, to make them equal, these CALLED STILL CHILD GODS???

but, then good carry a pitch fork the same, stabbing at anything to make it see ALL AS EQUAL???

THE GREAT FIGHT BETWEEN ALL GOOD AND EVIL???

EQUAL OR UNEQUAL???

ALL BEEN THE ROOT OF THE "PERPETUAL FIGHT" OF GOOD AND EVIL???

just little devils, lol, that try to make all other's as less, finding data to validate and prove it to self IT IS SO???

there IS EQUAL DATA TO PROVE ALL ARE EQUAL!!!???

SO THE UNEQUAL HEART IS THE LOSER, THAT DEFINE ALL OTHER'S LOSING, AND ITSELF WINNING IN ALL WAYS, TO PROMOTE ITSELF TO ALL VANITY AND GOODNESS AND ETERNAL BLISS FOR ITSELF???

THAT DOES NOT SOUND AS GOD, AS ANY EQUAL???

little devils, seeking to be bullies, ruling the playground, knocking everything else down, to push itself up???

this is only what a "child does", is it not???

so the "devil", or satan, is not some "big bad "single" thing either???

just ANYTHING that think itself is better, so much so, that it can come to believe itself is doing and working for god, which is PERFECT love, by convincing ITSELF all other's are less and not of god???

and this same thing, the fight of equal or not equal, can be seen all down thru time, and is really the only thing that text is foretelling in advance, as happening, during the "growing up" of humn or child god's, over a cycle of time???

so it is only seeing "self diety", self importance, self preservation as queen and king, self "interpretation" as diety, that is not of the MOST GOOD, and such always has, in ALL of history, believed that many other's, were NOT EQUAL, using a "belief to dictate so", and the very same first thinking, that led to ALL HUMAN GENOCIDE???

what did hitler think???

ALL WERE NOT EQUAL???

HE WAS DOING GOD'S WORK???

BUT GOD IS FOUNDED IN "LOVE"???

BUT HITLER THOUGHT HE WAS "LOVING", AND DOING "GODS" WORK, BY KILLING THE "EVILS"???

god, OR LOVE, cannot EVER be of unequal, or it is BIAS, which is HATRED???

SO HITLER HAD NO SIGHT OF "EQUAL" TO GUIDE HIM AS TO WHAT LOVE MUST BE FOUNDED IN, SO FELL PREY TO HATE???

SO WHAT IS LOVE???

EQUAL???

THE JEW WAS EQUAL TO THE GERMAN!!!???

HOW CAN IT BE ANYTHING MORE THAN THIS, IN IT'S VERY FOUNDATION!!!???

ANYTHING ELSE, ALLOW THE MIND TO MAKE IT ANYTHING IT WISH, USING WORDS AND EMOTIONS, AND THIS BEING FUELED FROM THE "OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENT" EASILY???

THE "WHITE MAN" IS EQUAL TO THE "BLACK MAN"???

EQUAL???

DOES NOT THIS BEAR WITNESS TO "YE ARE GODS"???

EQUAL???

THE INDIAN IS EQUAL TO THE WHITE MAN???

EQUAL???

THE CONTEXT OF "SURFACE MEANING", ONLY HIDE THE GREATER MEANING AVAILABLE TO SEE, THAT THE "STATEMENT WAS "EQUAL" IN ALL ESSENCE???

SO THEN, ANY THAT SEE THRU "unequality" AS LORD, SERVE A FALSE LORD, and stand and fight for "unequality"???

how can this be love???

so just have not found yet PERFECT LOVE, or simply "equality of all things as equal", AS ONE???

indeed, to see LOVE as "god" in humans, means anything would see what love is founded in???

EQUAL???

how can it be any different???

how can any common sense see UNEQUALITY AS GOD OR LOVE???

which indeed, is why it was said, nothing has seen "god at anytime", meaning "god" is only MAN???

ALL THAT SEE ALL AS EQUAL, or fight for equal, have love, or wish for love for all, and so see what it is???

EQUAL???

ABE LINCOLN WAS A GOD, OR FOUND GOD WITHIN???

FOUGHT FOR EQUAL???

JOHN LENNON WAS A GOD, OR FOUND GOD WITHIN???

FOUGHT FOR EQUAL???

GHANDI???

BUDDHA???

MARTIN LUTHER KING???

ALL GODS???

ALL FOUGHT FOR WHAT???

ALL AS EQUAL???

NOTHING has ever seen the face of god, because god is humans, that create and fight for peace on earth, USING "EQUAL", AS A GUIDE, NOT SOME NOTION OF WHAT IS GOOD OR BAD BY EMOTIONS, which decide then thru a belief or doctrine or dogma, AS THIS WILL ALWAYS CREATE A "ELITIST VIEW", AND IN THE END, MAKE HATE, WHICH DESTROY MANY OTHER'S???

SELF PROFESSED DIETIES, OR SELF PROFESSED "TOOLS OF GOD", SELF PROFESSED "GODS ANOINTED", AND ONLY WELCOME AND LOVE ALL THAT BELIEVE AND VALIDATE SELF, THAT LEAVE OUT MANY???

HITLER DID JUST THIS SAME THING???

ALL EVIL THINK AND DO AND DID THE SAME THING???

PRESERVE ITSELF AND IT'S GROUP, AND MANIPULATE THE WORLD TO PRESERVE ITSELF AND SELF GROUP, THAT BELIEVE AND WORSHIP UNEQUALITY, AND NOT ALL OTHER'S AS EQUALS???

that "perfect love", of god and man, could NOT BE A DOCTRINE, that in it's inception, HAS NO POSSIBLE WAY OF ALLOWING THE HEART TO BELIEVE ALL ARE EQUAL???

ONE WORLD, ONE LOVE, ONE GOD, WHICH BE NOTHING BUT LOVE, WHICH BE NOTHING MORE THAN FIGHTING FOR EITHER "EQUAL AS LORD", OR, "UNEQUAL AS LORD"???

many believe most "jesus" was the only NAME of "god", to be saved by, this based most on "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess, that jesus christ is lord"???

notice, it did NOT say "jesus christ is "GOD"???

only LORD???

LORD IN TEXT IS CALLED TRUTH???

TRUTH IS CALLED LOVE???

PERFECT LOVE???

WHICH IS EQUAL???

WHICH IS WHAT JESUS STOOD FOR???

peace to peace to peace, as divinity walk the streets, and set all records straight, and fleece the hate from the hearts, peering clean thru black hearts that hide hate and malice and contempt and distain, using it to fight against all that stand for equal, which is love, but this time, no power shall not be had to vanquish all unequality, and power beyond any present world, shall be wielded in the sword and energy of total equalism, as lions walk beside human angels, and fear strikes the heart of those that lived in contempt, that using half truth's as a "god", allowed a outside belief to seperate itself from love, providing validation to hate, all it's equal neighbor's.

Exactly, and this is precisely what pantheism teaches. This is what Buddhism teaches.

Jesus is our brother. Whatever ye have done unto Jesus ye have done unto your brother. Jesus was a human spirit just like the rest of us.

This thread is not about the story of 'Jesus', the one and only god, as told and written in the 'bible' book.

This thread raises questions about the source of that which was written about 'Jesus' in that book called the 'bible'.

In clearly pointing out similarities in 'jesus's story, taken straight out of Krishna's life account, which the bible book itself can't disclaim since it didn't exist throughout Krishna's life, the host is hence suggesting that those so called 'wise ones' whom wrote the bible, were simply trying to appeal to the masses of the times with compelling and easy to understand stories.

The 'wise ones' (wise ones simply because they knew the written and read 'word'), picked at 'Krishna's life account, figuring at the time, that no one would ever trace it back;
- the masses had no access to education, no notion of reading and writing, and
- neither the 'wise ones', nor their inspiration from YOUR god, had any idea that the google 'god' was going to emerge eventually: litteracy of the masses and masses of information :) ).

The fact that you keep coming back with your personal, single religious, and 'Jesus' exclusive point of view is commonly referred to as 'highjacking' a conversation, topic or other legitimate exchange between civilized and open-minded people.

In the event where the term 'highjacking' didn't communicate clearly the nature of your delinquent actions, let me propose 'FILIBUSTERING' as an alternative of your uncivilized act.

You have stated your opinion and position, and you you have answered the questin asked of you some 13 posts ago. Since then, you have been deliberately 'OBSTRUCTING' any form of legitimate exchanges, on this legitimate topic, on this most appropriate 'GENERAL RELIGION CHAT' forum.

REMINDER:
The thread is about the similarities between 'Krishna' and 'Jesus' life accounts.
The thread is not about 'Jesus': the one and only god, as YOUR religion claims. That would be a whole other topic which you are welcomed to propose in your 'christian exclusive forums'.

If, as you say, you have no intention of dealing with the similarities between 'Krishna's and 'Jesus's life accounts (you have exercised your privilege to state that position, and we all took good note of it), please have the common decency of allowing those whom wish to debate on topic, to do so,

... FREE OF YOUR FILIBUSTERING.

I'm going to ignore all the off-topic stuff. Regarding the original post.

Actually Christianity, as a religion, was a process not an event. It may be that a charismatic leader, whom we'll call Jesus, was actually a Jew but had depeloped his how philosophy and while traveling and gaining new insights (similar to the Buddha) had gathered a cult following. During the travels, in that time period, Jesus and followers assimilated many aspects of the various belief systems they encountered. After the death of their leader, the others decided to create as wide a following for the purpose of gaining power and prestige. Therefore the next steps had to include


Conversion & Assimilation:
How to convert pagans with deeply engrained beliefs. Preaching , assimilation and penitential system. (yea, so they did)

Preaching – instruction /basic teachings
Edification – tell stories to the newly baptized about the lives of Christ and the saints.
Assimilation – destroy the idols (but not the temples), so people will be more accustomed to know and adore the true God. (Pope Gregory I)

The Church also joined pagan holidays with Christian occasions, keep those pagans feeling more at home with their new beliefs.

EXAMPLE: Two Roman Christians named Valentine, both were martyred for their beliefs in the 3rd century CE, middle of February – so the early church converted a mid-February Roman festival called Lupercalia into St Valentine’s Day. (In Lupercalia- Romans asked the gods for fertility for themselves, their fields and their flocks)

Hence the pagans related to the Christian Saints and the Church turned two martyrs into fertility gods.

HISTORY (actual history) NOT THE BIBLE - illuminates how Christianity came together, how it grew (that's always fun to read) and how they MAINTAINED control as citie states turned into empires and empires into countries.

Christianity was adopted by kings, not because they believed in its teachings or in its god but because they could USE (or misuse) the teachings to thier benefit. But the Church didn't mind, they just assimilated and eventually made their way into modern society through education. So fearful were they that their new territiorial conquests would hear of other pagan religions that they set up or TOOK OVER previous 'universities' and higher places of learning so they could have complete control over what the elites of society were learning. OF COURSE those who became educated, became the elite and politicians could FORCE a religion on a society - and many did just that.

Amazing that the tactics, after over 2000 years, have remained as aggressive and manipulative as ever. Even the tactic of creating places of education in which only one view is taught. At least WAY BACK then, sources for education were limited and one paid for the opportunity to gain wealth, power and prestige - today payment for a 'Christian' education, is not for the privilege of learning, nor even for the attainment of wealth and prestige, but for power of the Church itself, as in factory fashion they attempt to turn out fully programmed and faithful followers.

Here is another page with more info on the MANY gods that share their story with Jesus.

http://one-faith-of-god.org/religion_christianity/overview.htm

Well it sure looks like we've had more than enough saviors.

We should be good to go by now!

Although if you read the Bible you'll find that Jesus was only the savior to the people in his generation. At least according to the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. So if we can trust the word of the Bible then it's clear that Jesus was a very limited savior.

I don't know about the other saviors.

Were they all supposed to be saving us from the wrath of God?

God much be seriously wrathful if that's that case.

I think I'll stick with the faeries, they seem to be far more loving.

I've never heard of any need to be 'saved' from the faeries.

Just tell the wrathful God's to take a hike. We don't need that crap anyway.

If they don't know how to play nice tell them to jump in their own lake of fire.

It is great information you give and yes truly amazing if one does the research to see how this religion evolved. Thank you for the information.

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now again if you want to believe other that is perfectly fine by me.....it's a choice I choose to believe that when God said only begotten son that is what he meant...He didn't say only begotten sons, goddesses etc...

Again, call it whatever the hell you want, it still doesn't do any explaining about how all the stories of these gods were around for THOUSANDS of years prior to Jesus' story, and sparing a few minor details, all these stories are pretty much the same.
But, I suppose your next response will only be further avoidance of my points..

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brainwashed

yes indeed, all human males are "only begotton sons" by god, or higher realm, and all daughter's are only begotton by god as well???

does man "begot" life???

life only come from HIGHER, than man in it's present form can make???

this then does not contradict "ye are god's"...

if one believe "in him", is to believe the WORDS jesus spoke???

ye are gods???

"then "god" spoke, let "US" make man in "OUR" image, in "OUR" likness...

so the IMAGE OF MAN IS THE IMAGE OF GOD???

seems to confirm what jesus himself spoke, ye are gods???

seems to confirm then, words of all that blend, of the SAME SPIRIT, then just coming from the SAME SOURCE WITHIN THE HUMAN ITSELF???

what ye have done unto the "least" of these, ye have done unto me"???

jesus pointing to human's WORSHIPPING EACH OTHER, NOT SOME "IMAGE" OF GOD IN THE SKY???

peace

I didn't read all of every post so this may have been covered already...

It's "Curare".

I can't answer because I don't know about them....maybe put who the heck your talking about and I will......

The sites posted in this thread aren't enough for you?
Here they are again.
You might also want to check out www.religioustolerance.org

Heck, just watch Penn & Teller's "The Bible is B#llSh@t"

Found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RV46fsmx6E

Here is another page with more info on the MANY gods that share their story with Jesus.

http://one-faith-of-god.org/religion_christianity/overview.htm

Your post point out much of what I have come to learn about chirstianity. The world may never know (if he was real) what exactly Jesus said. Also nowhere in any of the gospels do you hear Jesus talk about his birth. We see quotes from him hinting at his death, but he is never quoted about his birth. Why? If it was so central to the new religion he was promoting, why did he never mention it? The most likely reason is because those details were an amalgamation of several other religions put together many years later.
Reading between the lines of the gospels, we see many people who believe Jesus was a fulfillment of a prophecy. Not the one most often touted, but as a military leader who would overthrow the Roman government. When the people shouted hosanna, (save us) what they were saying was "start your military campaign and save us from the the Romans."