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Topic: Obama berates AIG and vows to try to block bonuses
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Mon 03/16/09 09:43 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 03/16/09 09:50 PM
WASHINGTON – Joining a wave of public anger, President Barack Obama blistered insurance giant AIG for "recklessness and greed" Monday and pledged to try to block it from handing its executives $165 million in bonuses after taking billions in federal bailout money. "How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?" Obama asked. "This isn't just a matter of dollars and cents. It's about our fundamental values."

Obama aggressively joined other officials in criticizing American International Group, the company that is fast becoming the poster boy for Americans' bailout blues.

The bonuses could contribute to a backlash against Washington that would make it tougher for Obama to ask Congress for more bailout help — and jeopardize other parts of the recovery agenda that is dominating the start of his presidency. Thus, the president and his top aides were working hard to distance themselves from the insurer's conduct, to contain possible political damage and to try to bolster public confidence in his administration's handling of the broader economic rescue effort.

Obama had scheduled a speech Monday to announce new help for recession-pounded small businesses. But first, he said, he had a few words to say about AIG. He lost his voice at one point and ad-libbed, "Excuse me, I'm choked up with anger here." It was just a light aside, but he meant the sternness of his remarks to come through.

"This is a corporation that finds itself in financial distress due to recklessness and greed," Obama declared.

He said he had directed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to "pursue every legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayer whole."

Later, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the administration would modify the terms of a pending $30 billion bailout installment for AIG to at least recoup the $165 million the bonuses represent. That wouldn't rescind the bonuses, just require AIG to account for them differently.

Gibbs said the tough talk from Obama and other administration officials was aimed in part at pressuring bonus recipients to turn them down. Anyone accepting the money should "think long and hard" about whether keeping it was appropriate "given the performance of the company," he said.

On a separate track, New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said Monday he would issue subpoenas for information on the bonuses after AIG missed his deadline for providing details. Cuomo said his office would investigate whether the employees were involved in AIG's near-collapse and whether the $165 million in bonus payments were fraudulent under state law.

AIG spokeswoman Christina Pretto told The Associated Press, "We are in contact with the attorney general and will of course respond to his request."

One reason that the AIG bonus giveaway is such a compelling story — and a politically troubling one for Obama if not neutralized — is that it offers a simple story line that appears to sum up ways in which the federal bailouts have gone awry.

"This is just the kind of issue that galvanizes public outrage," said Paul C. Light, professor of public service at New York University. "It's always the tangible stuff, the things that ordinary Americans can relate to. They don't know the first thing about credit default swaps. But they do know about bonuses. And it's just the sort of thing that will undermine any future bailout activity."

Bailout steps for AIG totaling over $170 billion since September have effectively left the federal government with an 80 percent stake in the faltering insurance giant.

Obama's comments came on the same day a new poll showed slippage in his approval rating. The poll by the Pew Research Center showed it dropped from 64 percent in February to 59 percent this month amid divisions of opinions over his economic proposals and what the pollsters said was a growing perception that the president is listening more to his party's liberals than to its moderates.

Still, those surveyed generally gave the president favorable marks for doing as much as he can to try to fix the economy, and few blame him for making the economy worse.

Andrew Kohut, Pew's director, said in an interview that people are most angry with banks and companies but there's also "pushback against Washington generally. And, of course, the buck stops with Barack Obama these days."

Obama's sharp words continued an insistent administration drumbeat over the past few days designed to pressure the bonus recipients to forgo them. Thus far, American International Group officials have refused to rescind the payments.

In a letter to Geithner over the weekend, the government-appointed chief executive of AIG, Edward Liddy, said the bonuses were legally binding obligations and the firm's "hands are tied."

Still, pressure was building on that issue — and on the government to rework its AIG bailout to make sure the company repays as much of the $170 billion as possible.

So far, the company has been honoring its contracts with U.S. and foreign banks, paying out more than $90 billion in economic bailout funds to big banks and others. The government agreed to uphold those contracts when it seized control of AIG in September, contending that failure would bring even worse global economic problems.

However, Obama officials made the rounds of Sunday talk shows to denounce the insurer. And even Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke weighed in, saying on CBS' "60 Minutes" that the AIG bailout angered him the most and that he "slammed the phone more than a few times on discussing AIG." Still, he said a collapse of AIG would have wreaked havoc on the global economy.

Obama was planning an appearance later in the week on Jay Leno's NBC talk show, perhaps to add a lighter touch to his efforts to show himself in command of efforts to resuscitate the economy.

The AIG bonuses were revealed over the weekend. It also was disclosed that AIG used $90 billion-plus in federal aid to pay foreign and domestic banks, some of which had received their own multibillion-dollar U.S. government bailouts.

The recipients included Goldman Sachs, at $12.9 billion, and three European banks — France's Societe Generale at $11.9 billion, Germany's Deutsche Bank at $11.8 billion, and Britain's Barclays PLC at $8.5 billion. Merrill Lynch, which also is undergoing federal scrutiny of its bonus plans and which is now part of Bank of America, had received $6.8 billion as of Dec. 31.

The money went to banks to cover their losses on complex mortgage investments, as well as for collateral needed for other transactions.

AIG reported this month that it had lost $61.7 billion for the fourth quarter of last year, the largest corporate loss in history.

Outcries against the company have also come from congressional leaders.

"I call upon the executives at AIG to right the wrong they have done to American taxpayers, who are footing the bill for the most expensive government rescue in history," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Monday.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell called the bonuses "appalling" and said he hoped "the administration gets the message from the taxpayers on this issue."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_aig


That's how a leader handles a problem!

A man of the People. For the People.

Ladies and gentlemen.
I give you President Obama!drinker

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Mon 03/16/09 09:47 PM
Edited by CircuitRider on Mon 03/16/09 09:50 PM
I'll admit... I DID NOT vote for him...

But, I WILL ADMIT, he's getting on the right track now...!!!


IF he keeps this up, I WILL STAND behind him 110%



drinker

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Mon 03/16/09 09:48 PM
drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker

Fanta46's photo
Mon 03/16/09 09:51 PM

I'll admit... I DID NOT vote for him...

But, I WILL ADMIT, he's getting on the right track now...!!!


IF he keeps this up, I WILL STAND behind him 110%



drinker


drinker drinker

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Tue 03/17/09 08:12 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 03/17/09 08:12 AM
Obama is an Alien with mind control powers.
He has Geithner and 60% of all Americans under his spell right now!!

Save yourselves!!!

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Tue 03/17/09 08:15 AM
I think Obama is doing the right thing. Unfortunately, I think it's too little, too late at this point. I hope I'm wrong.

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Tue 03/17/09 08:16 AM

I'll admit... I DID NOT vote for him...

But, I WILL ADMIT, he's getting on the right track now...!!!


IF he keeps this up, I WILL STAND behind him 110%



drinker


if he helps the country....i'm all for it. i wouldn't never want a president to fail doing what is best for the country.

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Tue 03/17/09 10:30 AM
I'm not sure I understand what all the drinker's are for here by my fellow posters. Celebrating that Obama spoke out and saying he FEELS angry how this bailout money for AIG was spent? The toasting of empty words and complete incompetence on his behalf? If that's the case I'll join in drinker. You've been conned again. While I too supported the bailout of AIG and equally outraged on how it was spent, it's not like Obama and congress didn't know how the money would or could be spent ahead of time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/16/AR2009031600640_pf.html

"Anger Over Firm Depletes Obama's Political Capital"

"President Obama's apparent inability to block executive bonuses at insurance giant AIG has dealt a sharp blow to his young administration and is threatening to derail both public and congressional support for his ambitious political agenda."

"The populist anger at the executives who ran their firms into the ground is increasingly blowing back on Obama, whom aides yesterday described as having little recourse in the face of legal contracts that guaranteed those bonuses."

"I warned them this would be met with an unprecedented level of outrage," Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), the chairman of the banking committee and part of a group of senators who pressed Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner to stop the bonuses, said yesterday."

"In February, Obama announced tough new restrictions on executive compensation that promised an end to massive salaries for executives of failing companies. Similar rules were eventually written into legislation and hailed as evidence that executive compensation would be checked."

"But reports about the latest AIG bonuses quickly undermined whatever political capital Obama has earned with his past efforts."

"Asked why the administration is attempting to claw back the bonuses now but did not do more to block the payments earlier this month when it was authorizing the latest $30 billion in new loans to the struggling insurer, Gibbs was unresponsive."

The drinker's are for what purpose again?

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Tue 03/17/09 10:50 AM
Hahaha.. socialist berates socialist enterprise, and "even" says that his friends may not receive their bonuses? After he had himself given them the money he stole from the people?


Tell this to the tens of thousands that Obama caused to be on the unemployment. Some robin hood!

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Tue 03/17/09 11:10 AM
The latest is they aren't going to block the bonus payments. They're simply going to tax them at 100%. noway

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Tue 03/17/09 11:21 AM
This is comical.

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Tue 03/17/09 11:26 AM
seems that these are "retention" bonuses. yet most of the payees no longer work for AIG

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Tue 03/17/09 11:27 AM

seems that these are "retention" bonuses. yet most of the payees no longer work for AIG


Of course not. They knew what they were doing when they were driving the company into the ground. They still want their fat paychecks though.

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Tue 03/17/09 11:29 AM


Of course not. They knew what they were doing when they were driving the company into the ground. They still want their fat paychecks though.

Precisely!

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Tue 03/17/09 11:36 AM

Of course not. They knew what they were doing when they were driving the company into the ground. They still want their fat paychecks though.


Of that I have no doubt. Wonder how many use any of the products and services from aig now? Anyone know? I kept getting offers from them and trashed each one.

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Tue 03/17/09 11:46 AM
Hey all question, these 'bonuses' are they really bonuses, have read where in some contracts (whether still employed or not) they were guaranteed the same salary for 2008 as they earned in 2007 regardless of productivity or performance.

Was this not addressed in the bailout package? Were exceptions made? Just trying to understand.

Also read that these bonuses made 73 millionaires from those that work/worked in the failing unit.


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Tue 03/17/09 11:50 AM

Hey all question, these 'bonuses' are they really bonuses, have read where in some contracts (whether still employed or not) they were guaranteed the same salary for 2008 as they earned in 2007 regardless of productivity or performance.

Was this not addressed in the bailout package? Were exceptions made? Just trying to understand.

Also read that these bonuses made 73 millionaires from those that work/worked in the failing unit.




There were exceptions in the bailout bill that specifically ok'd this. Thank you Chris Dodd. However, there was a clause that left it open for the Secretary of the Treasury to determine a contract valid before being obligated to pay it. So yes, the government knew this was going to happen. Yes, they are still griping about it. Yes, this is all smoke and mirrors to detract from the fact that a lot of the bailout money is going overseas. And yes, there's little to nothing we can actually do about any of it.

Giving AIG a bailout to begin with was a mistake. Now we're starting to see the consequences of that mistake.

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Tue 03/17/09 11:56 AM


Hey all question, these 'bonuses' are they really bonuses, have read where in some contracts (whether still employed or not) they were guaranteed the same salary for 2008 as they earned in 2007 regardless of productivity or performance.

Was this not addressed in the bailout package? Were exceptions made? Just trying to understand.

Also read that these bonuses made 73 millionaires from those that work/worked in the failing unit.




There were exceptions in the bailout bill that specifically ok'd this. Thank you Chris Dodd. However, there was a clause that left it open for the Secretary of the Treasury to determine a contract valid before being obligated to pay it. So yes, the government knew this was going to happen. Yes, they are still griping about it. Yes, this is all smoke and mirrors to detract from the fact that a lot of the bailout money is going overseas. And yes, there's little to nothing we can actually do about any of it.

Giving AIG a bailout to begin with was a mistake. Now we're starting to see the consequences of that mistake.



Thanks Wiley flowerforyou

However, if I understood it correctly, had 'we' not bailed out AIG the whole system would have collapsed not just in North America but worldwide. Is this correct?

Also, there was no stipulation for any records of any type for the first bailout handout given to AIG, correct?

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Tue 03/17/09 12:05 PM

Thanks Wiley flowerforyou

However, if I understood it correctly, had 'we' not bailed out AIG the whole system would have collapsed not just in North America but worldwide. Is this correct?


That's what the government claims. I suspect differently. But who knows?


Also, there was no stipulation for any records of any type for the first bailout handout given to AIG, correct?


Nope. Bush dropped the ball on that one as did Congress.

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Tue 03/17/09 12:08 PM
Edited by franshade on Tue 03/17/09 12:08 PM

Thanks Wiley flowerforyou

However, if I understood it correctly, had 'we' not bailed out AIG the whole system would have collapsed not just in North America but worldwide. Is this correct?

That's what the government claims. I suspect differently. But who knows?



What do you believe?



Also, there was no stipulation for any records of any type for the first bailout handout given to AIG, correct?

Nope. Bush dropped the ball on that one as did Congress.


So I am assuming this proposed tax on bonuses applies to second bailout handout not the first?

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