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anyone else think it's funny that one of the most spirited discussions is based on what's not much more than gossip? oooohhhhh, what about the miley cyrus / radiohead feud? lol More sad than funny because it endlessly reminds us how divided we really are as human beings. |
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so, may I presume from many of the posts here that most of you are raising your children not to have family values, whatever definition you apply to that? That it is ok to go out and screw before they are married? that divorce is the preferable alternative? that it is "me first" and to hell with everyone else? That it great to get hooked up on drugs, that you will provide them with meth anytime they want it? murder and robbery are ok with you?
I am certain that no one who has had kids to raise tried to teach them that. However, those who have not had the responsibility of raising one from birth have an entirely different perspective. I am certain that Hitler's folks tried to imbed values different than he practice. I cannot imagine that Bill Clinton's mom was very pleased at his moral choices, and I would wager that she tried to teach him differently. Does that make them all hypocrites? Or, just because one is willing to stand for what they believe, even if they fail to achieve it every time, only they are a hyppocrite? |
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so mirror....can i have your parents phone # if you say something i don't like so i can tell them they didn't raise you right?  I dont claim to have "family values" didn't say family values....but i'm sure there are some beliefs of theirs that you don't agree with so are they hypocrites too??? Sure, just about everyone is hypocritical at one time or another. But no one in my family ever claimed to be an example of "family values" i'm sure they strong believe in something....but your parents are to blame for their grown children not following what they believe right? if my parents ran for national office and claimed to be champions of family values then it is only natural to assume that would bring a certain level of scrutiny upon me. and you are an adult....if someone can't see that...then they have a problem. You may have a point but thats just the way things are.
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I still wonder if Sarah Palin faked that one pregnancy to cover for her daughter, ya know the one were she flew accross the country after her water broke, knowing all along she was in a high risk pregnancy. We never did see the birth certificate on that one.    Oh no, you've gone and done it now, please don't say birth certificate in here, ack.  Besides it's all so water under the bridge now anyway.  Yeah, a bunch of the right wingers think that everyone should carry around a copy of their birth certificate to prove they are American
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I am certain that Hitler's folks tried to imbed values different than he practice. I cannot imagine that Bill Clinton's mom was very pleased at his moral choices, and I would wager that she tried to teach him differently. Does that make them all hypocrites? Or, just because one is willing to stand for what they believe, even if they fail to achieve it every time, only they are a hyppocrite? |
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so, may I presume from many of the posts here that most of you are raising your children not to have family values, whatever definition you apply to that? That it is ok to go out and screw before they are married? that divorce is the preferable alternative? that it is "me first" and to hell with everyone else? That it great to get hooked up on drugs, that you will provide them with meth anytime they want it? murder and robbery are ok with you? I am certain that no one who has had kids to raise tried to teach them that. However, those who have not had the responsibility of raising one from birth have an entirely different perspective. I am certain that Hitler's folks tried to imbed values different than he practice. I cannot imagine that Bill Clinton's mom was very pleased at his moral choices, and I would wager that she tried to teach him differently. Does that make them all hypocrites? Or, just because one is willing to stand for what they believe, even if they fail to achieve it every time, only they are a hyppocrite?  You have a good point Willy. Most people do have family values.  The difference being that they dont carry it like a chip on their shoulder.
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if my son become a dad as a teen....then the family would come together to help in whatever way....THAT is a family value
do you really think that the press wouldn't pick up on the fact that bristol was an unwed teen mom? give some credit to the press....but she didn't hide her daughter in a closet or anything....the family stuck together. did it occur to anyone that was a part of the values she was talking about? if your parents didn't teach you these things....then they did a disservice to you even when a child "fails" the parents still love them....FAMILY VALUE |
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Hey Yellow Rose, question?
You wouldn't deny that Palin had influence over the ultimate decision her dauther made, right? Tell me we aren't influenced by what our parents believe? No she can't ulitmately take responsibility for the action in the end but she certainly influenced her daughter choices, good or bad, no? |
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I am certain that Hitler's folks tried to imbed values different than he practice. I cannot imagine that Bill Clinton's mom was very pleased at his moral choices, and I would wager that she tried to teach him differently. Does that make them all hypocrites? Or, just because one is willing to stand for what they believe, even if they fail to achieve it every time, only they are a hyppocrite? maybe because of her daughter she wanted to promote it |
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if my son become a dad as a teen....then the family would come together to help in whatever way....THAT is a family value do you really think that the press wouldn't pick up on the fact that bristol was an unwed teen mom? give some credit to the press....but she didn't hide her daughter in a closet or anything....the family stuck together. did it occur to anyone that was a part of the values she was talking about? if your parents didn't teach you these things....then they did a disservice to you even when a child "fails" the parents still love them....FAMILY VALUE That may be consistent with YOUR family values and the family values of most Americans, but thats not what the republicans promote as being family values.
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Hey Yellow Rose, question? You wouldn't deny that Palin had influence over the ultimate decision her dauther made, right? Tell me we aren't influenced by what our parents believe? No she can't ulitmately take responsibility for the action in the end but she certainly influenced her daughter choices, good or bad, no? lol i think some parents try....but how many teens are having unprotected sex, drinking, drugs etc. unless the parent watches them 24/7 or locks them away....kids will do things to rebel. whether it's in small towns, big cities, religious, non religious it happens |
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if my son become a dad as a teen....then the family would come together to help in whatever way....THAT is a family value do you really think that the press wouldn't pick up on the fact that bristol was an unwed teen mom? give some credit to the press....but she didn't hide her daughter in a closet or anything....the family stuck together. did it occur to anyone that was a part of the values she was talking about? if your parents didn't teach you these things....then they did a disservice to you even when a child "fails" the parents still love them....FAMILY VALUE That may be consistent with YOUR family values and the family values of most Americans, but thats not what the republicans promote as being family values. ok so what do the democrats promote? i happen to lean toward republican so not all are like you claim
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she may run again in 2012 (we can only hope) but realy check this cbs news thing out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9c1IxHrfo Curious why you would hope for her to run in 2012? What? We haven't had enough divisiveness and anger on all sides? |
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maybe i'm the one in the wrong....but i wouldn't want to gloat or laugh over anyone's hurts or pains etc. not even my worst enemy. even the people that have done things to me....i don't wish them bad thoughts
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I still wonder if Sarah Palin faked that one pregnancy to cover for her daughter, ya know the one were she flew accross the country after her water broke, knowing all along she was in a high risk pregnancy. We never did see the birth certificate on that one. when junior runs for president, then you can ask for it
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so, may I presume from many of the posts here that most of you are raising your children not to have family values, whatever definition you apply to that? That it is ok to go out and screw before they are married? that divorce is the preferable alternative? that it is "me first" and to hell with everyone else? That it great to get hooked up on drugs, that you will provide them with meth anytime they want it? murder and robbery are ok with you? I think if one has been around the block a few times, they might say you should be able to answer your own question. Of course you shouldn't assume others are not raising their children with values. Now whether they are precisely the same values you hold dear that is another story, but to assume because people don't necessarily follow the Christian value system doesn't mean others don't follow values that are similar. Often Christians make the assumption they are the only ones with values and that is what heats things up .... If you see making love as screwing I really can't relate to that, not all people that chose to live together before marriage are with out values nor are all those that had a child out of wedlock. If I had children in this day and age would I suggest they wait and get to know the person better, absolutely... The argument always comes from one group seeing their values as better than others. |
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if my son become a dad as a teen....then the family would come together to help in whatever way....THAT is a family value do you really think that the press wouldn't pick up on the fact that bristol was an unwed teen mom? give some credit to the press....but she didn't hide her daughter in a closet or anything....the family stuck together. did it occur to anyone that was a part of the values she was talking about? if your parents didn't teach you these things....then they did a disservice to you even when a child "fails" the parents still love them....FAMILY VALUE That may be consistent with YOUR family values and the family values of most Americans, but thats not what the republicans promote as being family values. ok so what do the democrats promote? i happen to lean toward republican so not all are like you claim Then like most people who think they are republican, you dont actually know what you are supporting.
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if my son become a dad as a teen....then the family would come together to help in whatever way....THAT is a family value do you really think that the press wouldn't pick up on the fact that bristol was an unwed teen mom? give some credit to the press....but she didn't hide her daughter in a closet or anything....the family stuck together. did it occur to anyone that was a part of the values she was talking about? if your parents didn't teach you these things....then they did a disservice to you even when a child "fails" the parents still love them....FAMILY VALUE That may be consistent with YOUR family values and the family values of most Americans, but thats not what the republicans promote as being family values. ok so what do the democrats promote? i happen to lean toward republican so not all are like you claim Then like most people who think they are republican, you dont actually know what you are supporting. wow that is a broad statement when you have no clue about me. but you didn't answer what democrats promote. i am only accountable for my actions....not others |
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Hey Yellow Rose, question? You wouldn't deny that Palin had influence over the ultimate decision her dauther made, right? Tell me we aren't influenced by what our parents believe? No she can't ulitmately take responsibility for the action in the end but she certainly influenced her daughter choices, good or bad, no? lol i think some parents try....but how many teens are having unprotected sex, drinking, drugs etc. unless the parent watches them 24/7 or locks them away....kids will do things to rebel. whether it's in small towns, big cities, religious, non religious it happens Well it's not really about trying, it's 'what' is being taught, and how the daughter relates to it and what she takes from it. As for the 24/7 watch, No argument there, don't think even Mirror would argue with that, but let's not pretend that Palin wouldn't have hide the whole thing if she could have. We can't say she wasn't quite clever, just transparent to the other side. |
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Thing is; if you watched them on the campaign on tv, it was painfully obvious that he wasn't into it. He seemed unhappy to me. I told my family this wasn't going to work out. They were in agreement. They said they could see it too.
No surprises. At least they didn't get married just to have to divorce in the publics eye. Kat |
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