Topic: What contriubution have you made so far...
Rockmybobbysocks's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:09 AM
Edited by Rockmybobbysocks on Fri 03/13/09 11:11 AM
i know that here in the desert we haven't seen rain since october which is odd for us even though we are a desert.

we've also reached record high temps twice this year already even though its barely march, summer has already started with this weekend running on 89 degrees here in phx.

last summer was so hot, even the natural habitation of animals showed a spike in death and instability.

i don't care whether the changes are man made, sunspot made, level seven dragon slayer made... who cares. the point is, its change.

and people don't do well with change.

what i worry about are the things that we humans DO that show s direct negative effect on our world.

like the fact that the park i used to play at as a child is now a landfill in california.

how sick is that?

or the fact that the beaches are closed half the time due to sewage spills.

seeing a beautiful crane covered in human sh*t will spark something in your brain.

the fact that my sister's mom bought an SUV cash outright and now the car sits in her garage (thank god she doesn't drive that monster around) and collects dust. wasting space.

it amazes me how people want to sit and verbally grapple with each other over the cause but completely ignore the effect or prevention of future outcomes.

therapy30's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:10 AM


to prevent global warming ?




smokin i don't own a car flowerforyou I rent one on rare occasion smokin


drinker or go with Family or Friends in their vehicles drinker


happy from time to time , but not that often happy


flowerforyou and ride my mountain bicycle most of the time flowerforyou





Thanks for sharing.flowerforyou

no photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:11 AM

FWIW, I ain't changing my lifestyle for anyone, even Al Gore. I ain't buying those curly-Q light bulbs, I ain't turning my computer off at night, I ain't turning my thermostat down, I ain't buying some of Al Gore's carbon credits, and I ain't driving a hybrid.


Ah, see, I do some of those things because it saves me money.

therapy30's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:11 AM


back to the topic.

I feel everyone who believes in the relevance of this topic should make an effort to educate your childern, society.
prevent global warming

I'm doing my part to conserve energy, and world over population.


Thanks for sharing.flowerforyou

Jungian101's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:12 AM
I put the toilet seat down to prevent water evaporation. :smile:

Winx's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:15 AM

I put the toilet seat down to prevent water evaporation. :smile:


laugh slaphead laugh

Jungian101's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:16 AM
can we start recycling toilet paper what

therapy30's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:20 AM

can we start recycling toilet paper what


No. It may cause cholera.laugh laugh

BigSky1970's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:20 AM


FWIW, I ain't changing my lifestyle for anyone, even Al Gore. I ain't buying those curly-Q light bulbs, I ain't turning my computer off at night, I ain't turning my thermostat down, I ain't buying some of Al Gore's carbon credits, and I ain't driving a hybrid.


Ah, see, I do some of those things because it saves me money.


I don't and here's one example why:

You're not really saving money if you're buying one of those funny looking lightbulbs. If you drop and break one of those things or it finally burns out, you have to call in a Hazardous Materials disposal team. That can be pretty expensive.

Another example. Electric and hybrid cars are unavailable where I am.

All those others are merely lifestyle choices. Doesn't have anything to do with saving money. You're not really saving a whole lot of money if you lower your heat to 68 or raise it to 74. The furnace is still burning electricity even if it's not running. It's just not as much, but it's still running.

no photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:21 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 03/13/09 11:24 AM

to prevent global warming ?


I don't think anything humans do will effect "global warming" and I don't think humans are causing it.

As the solar system moves towards the galactic center of the Milky way Galaxy a lot of changes are taking place in the entire solar system.

Here is an interesting article:

The atmospheres of the planets are changing. Dr. Dmitriev's work hows that the planets themselves are changing. They are undergoing changes in their atmospheres.

For example the Martian atmosphere is getting sizably thicker than it was before. The Mars observer probe in 1997 lost one of its mirrors, which caused it to crash, because the atmosphere was about twice as dense as they calculated, and basically the wind on that little mirror was so high that it blew it right off the device.

Earth's moon is growing an atmosphere that's made up of a
compound Dmitriev refers to as ''Natrium.'' Dmitriev says
that, around the moon, there is this 6,000-kilometer-deep
layer of Natrium that wasn't there before.

And we're having this kind of change in Earth's atmosphere in the upper levels, where HO gas is forming that wasn't there before; it simply did not exist in the quantity that it does now. It's not related to global warming and it's not related to CFCs or fluorocarbon emissions or any of that stuff. It's just showing up.

Magnetic fields and brightness of the planets are changing.
The planets are experiencing sizable changes in their overall
brightness. Venus, for example, is showing us marked
increases in its overall brightness. Jupiter has gotten to have
such a high energetic charge that there is actually a visible
tube of ionizing radiation that's formed between its moon,
Io. You can actually see the luminous energy tube in
photographs that have been taken more recently..

And the planets are having a change in their fields. The
magnetic fields are becoming stronger. Jupiter's magnetic
field has more than doubled. Uranus's magnetic field is
changing. Neptune's magnetic field is increasing. These
planets are becoming brighter. Their magnetic field strength
is getting higher. Their atmospheric qualities are changing.

Uranus and Neptune appear to have had recent pole shifts.
When the Voyager 2 space probe flew past Uranus and
Neptune, the apparent north and south magnetic poles
were sizably offset from where the rotational pole was.
In one case, it was 50 degrees off, and in the other case the
difference was around 40 degrees, both of which are pretty
big changes.

The overall changes could essentially be broken down into
three categories: Energy field changes, luminosity changes,
and atmospheric changes.

Overall volcanic activity has increased 500 percent since
1975 On the Earth, we're seeing the changes even more
completely.

For example, Michael Mandeville has done research that has
shown that the overall volcanic activity on the Earth since
1875 has increased by roughly 500 percent. The overall
earthquake activity has increased by 400 percent just since
1973.

Natural disasters increased 410 percent between 1963 and
1993

Dr. Dmitriev did a very elaborate calculation of natural
disasters. He showed that if you compare the years 1963
through 1993, the overall amount of natural disasters of
all different kinds - whether you are talking hurricanes,
typhoons, mud slides, tidal waves, you name it - have
increased by 410 percent.

The Sun's magnetic field increased by 230 percent since
1901

There's a study by Dr. Mike Lockwood from Rutherford
Appleton National Laboratories in California, who has been
investigating the Sun. He has discovered that since 1901, the
overall magnetic field of the Sun has become 230 percent
stronger than it was before.

More than just Earth Changes

So, all in all, what we're seeing is a lot more than just what
they call Earth Changes. Some people get into the idea that
there is an interaction between the Earth and the Sun that's
going on here. Very, very few people are aware of the work
that is being done in the Russian National Academy of
Sciences in Siberia, specifically in Novosibirsk, where they
are doing this research. They've come to the conclusion that
the only possible thing that could be causing this energetic
change all throughout the Solar System is that we are moving
into an area of energy that is different - that is higher.

The glowing plasma at the leading edge of our Solar System
has recently increased 1000 percent

Now, check this out. The Sun itself has a magnetic field,
of course, and that magnetic field creates an egg around
the Solar System, which is known as the heliosphere. The
heliosphere is shaped like a teardrop, with the long and thin
end of the drop pointing in the opposite direction from the
direction that we're traveling. It's just like a comet, where the
tail is always pointing away from the Sun.

The Russians have looked at the leading edge of this
heliosphere, and they have observed glowing, excited plasma
energy there. This plasma energy used to be 10 astronomical
units deep (an astronomical unit is the distance from the
Earth to the Sun, 93,000,000 miles). So ten astronomical
units represents the normal thickness of this glowing energy
that we used to see at the front end of the Solar System.

Today, that glowing plasma has gone to 100 astronomical
units deep. Although Dmitriev's paper does not give an exact
timeline, we can assume that this increase happened in the
same 1963 to 1993 period as the increase he found in natural
disasters. Whenever it happened, that's a 1,000 percent
increase in the overall brightness of the energy at the front
end of the Solar System.

And this means that the Solar System itself is moving into an
area where the energy is more highly charged. That higher-
charged energy is in turn exciting the plasma and causing more
of it to form, so you see more luminosity, more brightness.
This energy is then flowing into the Sun, which in turn emits
the energy and spreads it out along its equatorial plane, which
is called the Ecliptic.

This in turn is saturating interplanetary space, which causes
the solar emissions to travel more quickly and charge up the
energy on the planets.

And this is conscious energy that is changing how the planet
works, how it functions, and what kind of life it supports.
The harmonics of the DNA spiral itself are altering. That's
the real, hidden cause of spontaneous mass evolutions in
previous epochs of time.

All this is happening all at the same time, and it's all working
up to a crescendo where there is going to be a sudden shift.

In other words, we will get to the point where we are so
far into the new level of energy that there will be a sudden
expansion of the basic harmonic wavelengths that the Sun
emits as it radiates energy out of itself. This increase in
energy emission will change the basic nature of all matter
in the Solar System. The planets are pushed slightly farther
away from the Sun and the atoms and molecules that make
them up actually expand in terms of their physical size.


http://members.yournet.com/jobrien/planet-chg.html

Rapunzel's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:22 AM
Edited by Rapunzel on Fri 03/13/09 11:32 AM
This is terribly distressing for those of us :cry:


who are older to see the many changes on this planet


and especially so , to hear of the sadness sad


coming from my Son & Daughters & all of our young people tears


who never got to see America :cry:


when it was still pretty clean & unpolluted & not overpopulated flowerforyou



It hurts me to see much of the natural beauty be removed sad


& the rain forests & wilderness be completely wiped out tears


in the name of <<<< progress??? >>>>>huh frown ohwell noway tears



& it hurts terribly sad


to see the young people, :cry:


my Kids & Grandkids :heart: :heart: :heart:


& all the Young Adults Children & Babies of the World flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou



who have not had the same privileges drinker that my Parents & I had ....:cry: :cry: :cry:


We who have seen the expansive beauty of this land flowerforyou

drinker decades ago before there was overpopulation drinker


flowerforyou and before the impact :cry: of all the millions of cars flowerforyou






tears & all of the tons of disposable items sad in our landfills tears


sad and littering our streets & highways & byways sad


tears & well into what remaining forests, creeks & streams we have tears

frown that so many spoiled people sick have come to think they need frown


huh & have adapted their lives to not be able to survive huh


sad without these very frivolous very unnecessary things sad















no photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:22 AM



FWIW, I ain't changing my lifestyle for anyone, even Al Gore. I ain't buying those curly-Q light bulbs, I ain't turning my computer off at night, I ain't turning my thermostat down, I ain't buying some of Al Gore's carbon credits, and I ain't driving a hybrid.


Ah, see, I do some of those things because it saves me money.


I don't and here's one example why:

You're not really saving money if you're buying one of those funny looking lightbulbs. If you drop and break one of those things or it finally burns out, you have to call in a Hazardous Materials disposal team. That can be pretty expensive.

Another example. Electric and hybrid cars are unavailable where I am.

All those others are merely lifestyle choices. Doesn't have anything to do with saving money. You're not really saving a whole lot of money if you lower your heat to 68 or raise it to 74. The furnace is still burning electricity even if it's not running. It's just not as much, but it's still running.


I don't know about you, but when I have the thermostat lower, I'm not paying as much.

Jungian101's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:22 AM
:smile:


can we start recycling toilet paper what


No. It may cause cholera.laugh laugh

That might be good. Less people in the world to pollute less.

Winx's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:22 AM



FWIW, I ain't changing my lifestyle for anyone, even Al Gore. I ain't buying those curly-Q light bulbs, I ain't turning my computer off at night, I ain't turning my thermostat down, I ain't buying some of Al Gore's carbon credits, and I ain't driving a hybrid.


Ah, see, I do some of those things because it saves me money.


I don't and here's one example why:

You're not really saving money if you're buying one of those funny looking lightbulbs. If you drop and break one of those things or it finally burns out, you have to call in a Hazardous Materials disposal team. That can be pretty expensive.

Another example. Electric and hybrid cars are unavailable where I am.

All those others are merely lifestyle choices. Doesn't have anything to do with saving money. You're not really saving a whole lot of money if you lower your heat to 68 or raise it to 74. The furnace is still burning electricity even if it's not running. It's just not as much, but it's still running.


I have a gas furnace. I save a lot of money when keeping the temperature down.

Jungian101's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:23 AM
does toilet to tap water reclamation count? :smile:

Rockmybobbysocks's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:25 AM
Edited by Rockmybobbysocks on Fri 03/13/09 11:27 AM



FWIW, I ain't changing my lifestyle for anyone, even Al Gore. I ain't buying those curly-Q light bulbs, I ain't turning my computer off at night, I ain't turning my thermostat down, I ain't buying some of Al Gore's carbon credits, and I ain't driving a hybrid.


Ah, see, I do some of those things because it saves me money.


I don't and here's one example why:

You're not really saving money if you're buying one of those funny looking lightbulbs. If you drop and break one of those things or it finally burns out, you have to call in a Hazardous Materials disposal team. That can be pretty expensive.

Another example. Electric and hybrid cars are unavailable where I am.

All those others are merely lifestyle choices. Doesn't have anything to do with saving money. You're not really saving a whole lot of money if you lower your heat to 68 or raise it to 74. The furnace is still burning electricity even if it's not running. It's just not as much, but it's still running.


uuuumm my electric bill changed drastically just by the change in the thermostat use. and that's huge here in Arizona where summer gets hot enough to kill ya and people blow 400 bux on a monthly electricity bill here easy.

LOL and you don't have to call a hazmat team to pick those bulbs up. they have special recycling plants for them. it costs nothing to drop them off. i've never seen one broken but i dropped my bulb twice on accident :p oops i had no idea it had mercury in it.

but it bounced. didnt break.

BigSky1970's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:25 AM

I don't know about you, but when I have the thermostat lower, I'm not paying as much.


My heat bill for the fuel oil has been averaging around 60-70 a month this winter, and I've kept it at 68. I keep the house wide open in the summer.

The biggest cost is the fuel oil, which has kept pace with the fuel price at the local gas pump. When gas was $4.00, furnace fuel oil at the time was about $3.55 a gallon. I've got two 1500 gallon fuel tanks.

therapy30's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:27 AM
Edited by therapy30 on Fri 03/13/09 11:27 AM

:smile:


can we start recycling toilet paper what


No. It may cause cholera.laugh laugh

That might be good. Less people in the world to pollute less.


I don't wanna die sh!ting...thats your sacrificerofl rofl rofl

BigSky1970's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:27 AM




FWIW, I ain't changing my lifestyle for anyone, even Al Gore. I ain't buying those curly-Q light bulbs, I ain't turning my computer off at night, I ain't turning my thermostat down, I ain't buying some of Al Gore's carbon credits, and I ain't driving a hybrid.


Ah, see, I do some of those things because it saves me money.


I don't and here's one example why:

You're not really saving money if you're buying one of those funny looking lightbulbs. If you drop and break one of those things or it finally burns out, you have to call in a Hazardous Materials disposal team. That can be pretty expensive.

Another example. Electric and hybrid cars are unavailable where I am.

All those others are merely lifestyle choices. Doesn't have anything to do with saving money. You're not really saving a whole lot of money if you lower your heat to 68 or raise it to 74. The furnace is still burning electricity even if it's not running. It's just not as much, but it's still running.


uuuumm my electric bill changed drastically just by the change in the thermostat use. and that's huge here in Arizona where summer gets hot enough to kill ya and people blow 400 bux on a monthly electricity bill here easy.

LOL and you don't have to call a hazmat team to pick those bulbs up. they have special recycling plants for them. it costs nothing to drop them off. i've never seen one broken but i dropped my bulb twice on accident :p oops i had no idea it had mercury in it.

but i bounced. didnt break.


I'm glad you didn't break!! laugh laugh

Rockmybobbysocks's photo
Fri 03/13/09 11:29 AM





FWIW, I ain't changing my lifestyle for anyone, even Al Gore. I ain't buying those curly-Q light bulbs, I ain't turning my computer off at night, I ain't turning my thermostat down, I ain't buying some of Al Gore's carbon credits, and I ain't driving a hybrid.


Ah, see, I do some of those things because it saves me money.


I don't and here's one example why:

You're not really saving money if you're buying one of those funny looking lightbulbs. If you drop and break one of those things or it finally burns out, you have to call in a Hazardous Materials disposal team. That can be pretty expensive.

Another example. Electric and hybrid cars are unavailable where I am.

All those others are merely lifestyle choices. Doesn't have anything to do with saving money. You're not really saving a whole lot of money if you lower your heat to 68 or raise it to 74. The furnace is still burning electricity even if it's not running. It's just not as much, but it's still running.


uuuumm my electric bill changed drastically just by the change in the thermostat use. and that's huge here in Arizona where summer gets hot enough to kill ya and people blow 400 bux on a monthly electricity bill here easy.

LOL and you don't have to call a hazmat team to pick those bulbs up. they have special recycling plants for them. it costs nothing to drop them off. i've never seen one broken but i dropped my bulb twice on accident :p oops i had no idea it had mercury in it.

but i bounced. didnt break.


I'm glad you didn't break!! laugh laugh


LOL!!! i know i had to go back and correct that one.

it was detrimental to my fatgirl status HAH