His friend is not being honest working two jobs and still getting a welfare?

The only it's being honest if he barely makes enough money with those two jobs and has children to feed.

i don't agree with it but i understand what he is saying. the welfare the friend gets is to repay him for the taxes that he has to pay that he doesn't agree with

Winx,

Has my friend been given a choice of more than two actions?

No!

He is either to pay or get paid.

A honest way would be to stay clear of all of it. But, there is no opportunity for such.

i wonder how it would work to have the option. and those that don't want to pay...can't later go for it.....

hmmmmmmmmm

sorry I don't understand that logic at all, if he is working two jobs and taking welfare he isn't all that honest in my book, but then again I can't worry about people like him. I have enough to think about. I don't know why you guys dwell on this stuff, there are bigger crooks out there stealing much more money from everyone.

I am completely confused now. What do you mean there is not opportunity for such, Nogames? So if he is trying to recoup taxes he thinks he shouldn't have had to pay... oh crap I am absolutly lost here now. Must be getting sleepy.

Yes. America was built on a principle of free association. Any of the systems that we have today, can and should be built on this principle.

Just like you choose to be a member of AAA (don't know what this called in Texas), or a member of say, NRA, whatever.

You pay your dues and in return, you receive benefits. Since your entrance into the system was voluntary, there is nothing to gripe about. The moment that you think it is not fair, or not managed properly, you can be out.

Not so with any of the social assistance programs we have today. There is no place for them in constitution, and the government is not allowed to spend public funds on them.

Why? Because these programs can not be mixed with the government, as the government forcibly collects from everybody, and there is no opt out.

Any of them, can and should be voluntary. Social security? No problem. Welfare? No problem. Unemployment? No problem. Nasa? No problem.

This is why they were not in the list of things that the government was instituted by the founding fathers to do.

You must be getting sleepy... I don't understand what are you asking either. Take a break?

ok...i understood everything but now you 2 are confusing me lol

LOL I need a break I am trying to do too many things at once. I think I mixed someone elses quote response with yours, but never mind it's not all that important.

NoGames,

I'm seeing a choice of doing something legal or illegal. Moral or immoral. That money could be going to somebody that could really need it.

Forceful confiscation, that is what you call a moral and legal choice? It doesn't matter who needs it and for what. It doesn't change anything for him. Had the money be spent of developing a biological weapon, what would that change? He is still forced to make the same choice, one of two possible actions.

But, never mind moral or legal for a moment. Where is his choice to stay honest? To keep his own?

Pay or be paid. That is the choice. This is not a natural choice, mind you. This is the choice everyone is forced to make.

Die or make others die. Same thing. You're forced in a choice like this, and I do not blame anyone who had decided to kill to stay alive.

he has chosen to be paid rather than to be drained.

it could just as easily go to someone sitting on their backside, watching Tyra Banks and getting stoned..

I think that's his point. at least he's out earning and contributing in some way.. it's kinda crappy that the individual in question is gaming the system but it goes to show that the system can be and is being gamed, much to the chagrin of those that say the welfare system has been reformed completely and insist that the gaming of the system has been cured..

there are a few individuals on here that constantly point to the 1996 reforms and this mysterious 5-year/lifetime restriction.. I suspect the welfare system is every bit as broken now as it;s ever been..

raiderfan_32,

Your's is a good point. I don't think anything has been fixed. One must only check in North Hollywood, Glendale, Van Nuys, some areas of Los Angeles.

You can't fix this, as long as there is any freedom left. Once you remove all freedom, now the control becomes possible, but even then, you can't control who decides to not work. The only thing that the absolute lack of freedom will fix, is that one wouldn't be able to work secretly.

total mind **** rationalizations to do whatever one wants, with no regard to the effect it has on other's, and this sorry ass thinking is why the country is in the shape it is in, with bogus self entreating thinking, that justify anything and everything it wants to do.

tell the man to get some integrity, as without it, self always loses.

It's called character and integrity, NoGames.

No, it could not be just at easily one of those people. That's a myth. They are the minority.

No doubt about it, David.

each mortal thing stand alone, frozen in time, as the picture of it's life, and all it did, with all it had, and all it seen, and all it heard, is only but self portrait, with no one else allowed to be photographed in the picture.