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Marriage is Bull$hit. But the only reason gays would like to get married is so they can enjoy certin legal benefits marriage has to offer, like tax breaks and wills and such. Plus, if two people love each other then why not? As I said, it is realy only the religious that care. Religion has always hated what it does not understand. It despretly tried to keep the blacks down, and when that faild it now sets it's sights on the gay community. And when that fails (and it will). They will move on to the next group to hate and oppress. I don't understand how you can believe that statement. Only the religious that care? Hello.....there are plenty of people that hate and I mean hate the idea of gay people except lesbians that have no religious affiliation at all. Mostly men. Now...I do agree that it is religous sects that make the most noise...or at least take advantage of the medi and elsewhere to be heard. They make compelling statements to their advantage. And to those that don't know or do their homework..it sounds "good enough" to run with. Followers if you will. Or fear in its'self holds the key. Kat |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Sun 03/08/09 02:38 PM
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Marriage is Bull$hit. Well, that's clearly a subjective view. As I said, it is realy only the religious that care. I disagree, I think there are a lot of atheists who see value in a socially recognized 'marriage' between two people as a family. I know that I would see value in marriage even as a pure atheist. We don't need to believe in a God in order to make a public committment to create a family unit. And if we didn't have the official institution of marriage, there would be a LOT of men hitting on the women who are living other another man. Without the institution of marriage it would be far too easy for one guy to come up to another man's mate, and say to the woman, "Tell this guy to take a hike and pick up with me". This is ESPECIALLY TRUE when these predators see a couple going through a diffficult time! And they would prey on those moments! It would be a constant competition just to try to keep your mate. Also if you see someone you like better it would be way to easy to just walk away from your current relationship. There's something to be said for making committments and taking responsiblity for them. But at the same time, demanding that eveyone make a lifetime committment from scratch right off the bat isn't good. There should at least be a provision for year-and-a-day trial runs. And some cultures actually already do that. Sorry, I think That came out wrong. What I ment was it's the religious that care whether gays marry. There are very few atheists that are opposed to gays getting married. |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Sun 03/08/09 02:40 PM
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Marriage is Bull$hit. But the only reason gays would like to get married is so they can enjoy certin legal benefits marriage has to offer, like tax breaks and wills and such. Plus, if two people love each other then why not? As I said, it is realy only the religious that care. Religion has always hated what it does not understand. It despretly tried to keep the blacks down, and when that faild it now sets it's sights on the gay community. And when that fails (and it will). They will move on to the next group to hate and oppress. I'd say that there are innumerable “gays” in relationships who strongly believe that marriage/declaration of commitment is the ultimate way to express their genuine desire to bond for life. Just as there are plenty of “heteros” in relationships choosing to go the marriage route for the sake of certain extra conveniences. We’re not THAT different. To point out how wrong religion is seems only to provide something to blame. Seems that blaming doesn't affect a shift in understanding. Couldn't mutual understanding add a stone in the pathway to peace? |
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The best thing about not getting married is that you always avoid divorce lawyers
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The best thing about not getting married is that you always avoid divorce lawyers Or you could just get married on paper and walk away. 
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Tue 03/10/09 04:59 PM
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Dam, when I found this thread I really hoped we would have someone with the courage to express a dissenting view.
Only us freethinkers in here apparently . . . well that boring lol. 
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Two people choose to commit to a life of mutual support and care....a relationship based on unconditional love and joyful union.
Where does sexual preference or gender appear in the above statement? Nowhere. Because it isn't relevant... |
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...the only reason gays would like to get married is so they can enjoy certin legal benefits marriage has to offer, like tax breaks and wills and such. And there lies the only real argument for state-sanctioned marriage of any kind - straight or gay. It provides financial and legal (which ultimately ends up as financial) benefits. Let's not lose sight of the fact that state-sanctioned marriage is fundamentally a political issue. Not a moral or sexual or religious one. Peoples opinions as to why it should be one way or the other may be anything, as they are with any other political issue. But the issue itself (i.e. it's resolution) must be political. So does the state have the legal right to hand out benefits to some people and not others? Of course it does. The state has a moral obligation to do so. It's just that the built-in discrimination of the democratic process requires that the minority must always accede to the wishes of the majority. Not sure if all that is really relevant or meaningful at all, but I felt like writing it.
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Two people choose to commit to a life of mutual support and care....a relationship based on unconditional love and joyful union. Where does sexual preference or gender appear in the above statement? Nowhere. Because it isn't relevant... That is basically the way i see it. I also really don't see how what 2 consenting people do, behind closed doors, has any effect on me, and I also fail to see where other people have the right to comment on the actions of those consenting people.. |
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