The evidence is pretty staggering that human evolved and I believe in God too and I don't see what is wrong with thinking that is how humans came about. Look at the fossil record and the genetic. Its all spelled out.

Were evolving all the time, and God, spirit, all that is, has always been there. Who says anything has to jive with the bible... that would be a daunting task, proving the Bible to be the word of God.
Yep, it's all spelled out.

i dont care what belife people have, im not able to decide on my own thoughts, as we can never realy know.
however, there is evidence of evolution today. humans are 1 to 2 foot taller on average than 150 years ago. also our thumbs are getting smaller! and other things that i dont know as ive not looked yet

Creationists and certain other religious folk argue this valid point by saying that there is no evidence of any animal evolving into an entirely new species. But like most(all?) of their arguments its flawed and very weak.

it could be argued that we as a race are able to keep our atmosphear at a level that suits us
without a change in atmosphear nothing would need to evolve
i think we won the race to be the dominant race, when we die out, if we havent killed everything, then evolution may continue

Evolution is supposed to stop once society develops.People are only taller and look better now because we live healthier and easier lives.

A god could have planted us in any time period through out history and we still would have ripped each other apart one way or the other, so it would seem evolution makes far more sense. Why the heck would a god, starting from scratch, make such a complicated universe for his human creation to navigate.

Now I might be apt to believe there really is a god that is as hair brained as we are and he completely miscalculated then couldn't turn back, and now he/she/it is just hoping we can figure out how to live peacefully and rationally.

Navigation is something you do in charted waters.

Life is in no way charted.

One simply heads thataway and hopes or has faith that 'thataway' is the right way to go.

But don't you enjoy the surprises one finds along the way.

Theory of evolution is flawed when viewed with other sciences. For example. Second law of thermodynamics states that energy in a closed system will move from a state of order to a state of disorder. For evolution to happen the way it says this law could not exist. Evolution works backwards from thermodynamics. The only way for evolution to work is energy must be added to the universe or the law of thermodynamics is wrong. if energy is being added where is it coming from? Is there more than one universe? Is this a multiverse we live in? Of course when the brain police are teaching evolution in school they do not require you to learn physics? I wonder why? dont want kids to realize the load of crap they are being taught.

else thermodynamics is right for a three diminsional slice of a larger reality while...

... evolution functions at that larger level - using thermodynamics as well as other 'laws' (which mankind at its current level of thinking believes to be laws) as needed to perform a larger function.

The real question to this thread should be is the bible compatible with reality.

Id say its a fact that it is not.

umm...did noone ever explain to you that the second law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to living organisms?
For one thing, living things aren't closed systems.

Oh, the old "2nd law" objection to evolution... this is one of my hugest pet peeves ever... i must restrain myself.... Jon, whoever fed you that line of trash has NO UNDERSTANDING of the 2nd law whatsover - whether its a book or a preacher or whomever, they have proven themselves an idiot who talks beyond their understanding and cannot be trusted. If you are interested in learning more about the flaws & merits of the theory of evolution, please go to a more reliable source than them.

Archimedes has the right idea. 2nd law applies to closed systems. The energy which drives the locally-anti-entropic activities in my body is derived, indirectly, from the sun. Therefore, to properly apply the 2nd law to my body you would have to include the sun in the 'closed system' under consideration. It is easy to see that the increase in entropy (or is it enthalpy? crap..) in the sun is far far greater than the decrease in all of life on planet earth.

I am not an evolution-apologist, in fact, I think our current theories are very flawed.

But its absolutely bizarre and stupid to suggest that evolution is incompatible with the -actual- 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Jon,

In the unlikely event that you somehow missed all the pro-creationist propaganda that suggests evolution & the 2nd law are incompatible, and actually came to this question on your own, by thinking a bit about what you've learned of the 2nd law --- then I apologize to you for suggesting that you might be the 'idiot' promoting this view.

See, I assume you aren't in the process of writing a book nor giving lectures on the topic. And if you were, I would hope that you would look into the matter a look more deeply first. But for an everyday student to think that they -might- be an incompatibility - its a fair question, a fair issue to raise. Its when someone believes they are qualified to write books or give lectures and STILL thinks there is merit to this 'argument' that I see a very serious problem with either that person's honest or their knowledge of the topic. So I hope you are not offended by the strong negative feelings I have towards people who write books, give lectures, or create websites promoting such absurd interpretations of the 2nd law.

There is no mystery if you consider how the sun plays into the energy/entropy balance of the earth (and all living things on it).

But in order to survive the living organizm that is humanity needs a closed cycle system.

I said and other 'laws' thermodynamics would only apply where it was needed in CONJUNTION with 'laws' each at the point where they apply.

(our bodies do use thermodynamics as part of their function)

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Evolution is real. Even without the fossil record we would still have overwhelming evidence that evolution is a fact.

The concept of God is incompatible with evolution. This is because the odds that something like God could exist are longer than the odds that we exist. If God created everything he must be a very complex being indeed. Evolution teaches us that complex beings do not just pop into existence. They only come about through evolution. So, we must ask the question: Where does God come from? If God evolved from simpler life forms then evolution didn't need God to produce God. Following this logic, evolution doesn't need God to produce humans.

But, if God does exist and he did create humans, why would he choose a system that took 10 billion years to do it? Why wouldn't he just snap his fingers?