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Damn I hate having after thoughts like this but as far as hell being mentioned in the bible and disappearing goes with other flaws in the bible like the village that suddenly appears in Genesis after Adam and Eve got tossed from the garden.
Being written by the Catholic Church there are mistakes in it proving that all things of man have flaws in them. "The Passion of the Christ" was a popular play way back when and bashed Jews hard. Dante's Inferno actually was the larger influence for how Hell is viewed by Christians. In its day it was highly popular because the church dominated Europe in its theocratic grip. Also keep in mind that the Catholic Church itself, excluding this particular example of Christianity from the other flavors used ignorance to maintain control of the masses and threatening uneducated people with unseen punishments worked wonders in maintaining control. that meant understanding the bible was left to the clergy. There are Christians who do not believe in hell. The feel that as long as they live good lives according to the teachings of Jesus (not worshiping him or Mary or anyone else) then they have nothing to worry about. What makes religion popular? Human social nature, ignorance, poverty, and desperation. Heck, why is Scientology so popular? That is a real lie of a religion! But ultimately if it makes them happy so be it. There is Bliss in ignorance! |
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Then why come off like one? Jeez "andyBgood" ..do you ever quit whining ..the topic is about Hell..not about nagging me into Hell Oh my oh my! The ignint approach. Take one question and make an issue out of it like this? Childish comes to mind... Whining? Shooooooooooooo! As if! You are the weakest link and now I dismiss you.... later.... You can't civilly answer a question or two then you are wasting my time for sure. 
You definitely can't seem to understand what is written and take things way too out of context. I won't tell you to grow up because you are an adult. What I will say is you are not exactly a good conversationalist at least. BYE BYE NOW!!! |
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AndyBgood
Those are good replies you offer that I think many will agree with. Have a great week 
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My reply: Well we have extremists in the Christian belief system. I think even those who are extremists don't even know they are this extreme, just like a fundamentalist doesn't know he or she is a fundamentalist. Yes I think they don't know how hardcore they are and when told they don't believe it. but what makes a Christian an extremist ..is it one that follows God's word and spread the gospel according to both testaments and warn others of Hell ... so what about the christian that don't spread the word and don't warn others about Hell or deny that babies go to hell or deny the existence of Hell itself or just to ashame to admit there is a Hell... are they even a christian accordng to the bible the bible is not about picking and choosing which laws of God's to follow or to ignore...... either follow all or follow none or perpare for Hell imagine if God ask why you choose not to follow one of his laws or choose not to tell of Hell ...using the Free Will defense will surely get you a thunderbolt up the whazoo on the way to Hell |
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My reply: Well we have extremists in the Christian belief system. I think even those who are extremists don't even know they are this extreme, just like a fundamentalist doesn't know he or she is a fundamentalist. Yes I think they don't know how hardcore they are and when told they don't believe it. but what makes a Christian an extremist ..is it one that follows God's word and spread the gospel according to both testaments and warn others of Hell ... so what about the christian that don't spread the word and don't warn others about Hell or deny that babies go to hell or deny the existence of Hell itself or just to ashame to admit there is a Hell... are they even a christian accordng to the bible the bible is not about picking and choosing which laws of God's to follow or to ignore...... either follow all or follow none or perpare for Hell imagine if God ask why you choose not to follow one of his laws or choose not to tell of Hell ...using the Free Will defense will surely get you a thunderbolt up the whazoo on the way to Hell Perhaps a extremist is someone who says one has to live in the ways of the bible and that person would even kill to ensure it to happen. That one even go as far as enforcing the writings of the bible. I am quiet sure you are right about the bible is not a picking or choosing what to accept or not, but it doesn't erase the fact that people do it. I too believe if one claims to be a christian then he or she has to believe everything in what the bible teaches and shouldn't choose what to accept or not. Obviously many christians don't agree to it, so the question is: Can they call themselves christians if they choose what to accept in what the bible says? It seems that the bible teaches that either you believe in what is written or you go to a hell. If it is true, I guess that is for each individual to determine. I personally don't believe it. |
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Deut 6:3-9 3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as Yahweh your Elohim of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey. 4 Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is one Elohim: 5 And thou shalt love Yahweh your Elohim with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. KJV Mark 12:28-31 28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Yahshua answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our Elohim is one Elohim: 30 And thou shalt love Yahweh your Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. KJV Gal 3:20 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but Yahweh is one . KJV Isa 63:10-11 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit : therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. 11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? KJV Luke 11:13 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? KJV Eph 4:30 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of Yahweh, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. KJV You are not Yahweh. Yahshua was or is not Yahweh. The Spirit can be taken away from you. If the Spirit was Yahweh then when you recieve it you would become a Elohim which is against the commandment of have no Elohim's before me. We all do this. Even Yahshua being perfect said he did nothing except the father John 5:19 19 Then answered Yahshua and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. KJV John 5:30 30 I can of mine own self do nothing : as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. KJV John 8:28 8 Then said Yahshua unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. KJV 2 Cor 13:8 8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. KJV Yahshua could do nothing with out the father. The comforter was sent that man could fight of the devil with zeal. A Trinity Doctrine is a doctrine of Devils. It says you are Elohim. What you say is always truth. Yahweh is one. all others are under his commandments including Yahshua and the spirit realm. Blessings...Miles Miles you are so wrong Jesus was only teaching us how to treat each other and himself God while he was in flesh form because he loves us all so much he sent himself to us in flesh form to teach us how to love each other and him is all. It is not 3 different dieties it is one God described in his differnt forms. Yahshua (Jesus) said he could do nothing with out the father to teach us that we all could do nothing without the father even though he is or was God in the flesh. Why else do you think he was without sin? Why else would he love us so much that he gave up his flesh life for us in more ways than just dying on the cross. He gave up a selfish life like most of us have, to teach us how to act and how to worship and love him. You can not be the son and the father to. The Holy Spirit is the power of Yahweh. You make who Yahweh and Yahshua is a Joke making them 1 in the same. Being 1 as you see it is no different that a married couple. They agree but are still 2 different people. The spirit is given to those who will accept it to grow as children grow. Knowledge. If the Spitit is Yahweh then when you get it you are Yahweh. How many worlds and oceans have you thought of and they just came to be. Yahweh is one. The creator of the heavens and the earth. Yahshua did the creating through the power of his father as he gave commandment just like he said on earth...Blessings..Miles try backing up your trinity doctrine with scripture. I did with Yahweh is one. It's ok miles you do not have to believe what I do. No one has to. I have posted some of the scriptures that tell me Jesus was God in the flesh already. You have the right to interpret them as you wish and so do I. Jesus' coming fulfilled scripture and he is Christ the living God! Peace |
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The life Jesus led, the miracles He did, the words He spoke, His death on the cross, His resurrection, His ascent to heaven - all point to the fact that He was not merely man, but more than man. Jesus claimed, "I and the Father are One" (John 10:30), "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (John 14:9), and "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6). "imageorgiagirl"....Jesus were very deceptive when he first came to the people, he even said that he used parables to confuse ...so lets look at the parables you presented "I and the father are one" .. when I take a dump I become one with nature but that doesn't mean we are the same person "he who has seen me has seen the father" God made Man in his own image so of course if you see Jesus or any human you will see an image of the father "I am the way, and the truth, if you were the truth you wouldn't have to use parables to confuse people "no one comes to the Father except through Me."" if that is true then there will be newborns in Hell, babies that have died that were not baptized by their parents to accept Jesus will go to Hell ...all those that died in The Great Flood and before Jesus showed up are destine to Hell become none of them even knew of Jesus the Son You are so funny... If you knew all of the bible you would know no newborns will go to Hell! It's too late to find and document this right now but I will later.... |
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My reply: Well we have extremists in the Christian belief system. I think even those who are extremists don't even know they are this extreme, just like a fundamentalist doesn't know he or she is a fundamentalist. Yes I think they don't know how hardcore they are and when told they don't believe it. but what makes a Christian an extremist ..is it one that follows God's word and spread the gospel according to both testaments and warn others of Hell ... so what about the christian that don't spread the word and don't warn others about Hell or deny that babies go to hell or deny the existence of Hell itself or just to ashame to admit there is a Hell... are they even a christian accordng to the bible the bible is not about picking and choosing which laws of God's to follow or to ignore...... either follow all or follow none or perpare for Hell imagine if God ask why you choose not to follow one of his laws or choose not to tell of Hell ...using the Free Will defense will surely get you a thunderbolt up the whazoo on the way to Hell Perhaps a extremist is someone who says one has to live in the ways of the bible and that person would even kill to ensure it to happen. That one even go as far as enforcing the writings of the bible. I am quiet sure you are right about the bible is not a picking or choosing what to accept or not, but it doesn't erase the fact that people do it. I too believe if one claims to be a christian then he or she has to believe everything in what the bible teaches and shouldn't choose what to accept or not. Obviously many christians don't agree to it, so the question is: Can they call themselves christians if they choose what to accept in what the bible says? It seems that the bible teaches that either you believe in what is written or you go to a hell. If it is true, I guess that is for each individual to determine. I personally don't believe it. Smiless you are cool...just so you'll know I feel everyone has a right to listen or turn away; believe as they wish as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Maybe I should try to just stay out of these religious forums. I am not a preacher and do not want to mislead anyone into anything. It is JMO To each their own. Have a great day! 
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My reply: Well we have extremists in the Christian belief system. I think even those who are extremists don't even know they are this extreme, just like a fundamentalist doesn't know he or she is a fundamentalist. Yes I think they don't know how hardcore they are and when told they don't believe it. but what makes a Christian an extremist ..is it one that follows God's word and spread the gospel according to both testaments and warn others of Hell ... so what about the christian that don't spread the word and don't warn others about Hell or deny that babies go to hell or deny the existence of Hell itself or just to ashame to admit there is a Hell... are they even a christian accordng to the bible the bible is not about picking and choosing which laws of God's to follow or to ignore...... either follow all or follow none or perpare for Hell imagine if God ask why you choose not to follow one of his laws or choose not to tell of Hell ...using the Free Will defense will surely get you a thunderbolt up the whazoo on the way to Hell Perhaps a extremist is someone who says one has to live in the ways of the bible and that person would even kill to ensure it to happen. That one even go as far as enforcing the writings of the bible. I am quiet sure you are right about the bible is not a picking or choosing what to accept or not, but it doesn't erase the fact that people do it. I too believe if one claims to be a christian then he or she has to believe everything in what the bible teaches and shouldn't choose what to accept or not. Obviously many christians don't agree to it, so the question is: Can they call themselves christians if they choose what to accept in what the bible says? It seems that the bible teaches that either you believe in what is written or you go to a hell. If it is true, I guess that is for each individual to determine. I personally don't believe it. Smiless you are cool...just so you'll know I feel everyone has a right to listen or turn away; believe as they wish as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Maybe I should try to just stay out of these religious forums. I am not a preacher and do not want to mislead anyone into anything. It is JMO To each their own. Have a great day!
Fortunately in today's society we have the right to choose in what to believe in by listening to what we think deems to be true. We can thank this country and its forefathers for that. You are entitled to give your opinion on what you believe in, but you will always have someone who will question it. This will never change regardless where you go. And fortunately you will also have people who will agree on what you say wholeheartingly. so in the end these threads will always have a ying and a yang in opinions. What is important is that you are satisfied with the knowledge you have attained and can live a successful and happy life each day. Thank you for the compliment by the way. Have a great day 
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It seems that the bible teaches that either you believe in what is written or you go to a hell. If it is true, I guess that is for each individual to determine. I personally don't believe it. "smiles"....and that's my point, if one is not a followers of the bible then it becomes what the individual thinks, but once someone makes a committment to follow God or be a Christian then what's in the bible can no longer be regarded as being a belief, it at that point in time becomes absolute truth and according to God must be followed absolutely without question faith required that whats in the bible is there because it is God's word...and if one is not willing to follow that word really doesn't care for the word or God so now the question becomes why would believers go around telling others to follow God when they don't do it themselves and calling themselves Christian when they are not really one ..according to the bible it is another pyschological aspect of mentality in play and it clearly has nothing to do with religion |
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It seems that the bible teaches that either you believe in what is written or you go to a hell. If it is true, I guess that is for each individual to determine. I personally don't believe it. "smiles"....and that's my point, if one is not a followers of the bible then it becomes what the individual thinks, but once someone makes a committment to follow God or be a Christian then what's in the bible can no longer be regarded as being a belief, it at that point in time becomes absolute truth and according to God must be followed absolutely without question faith required that whats in the bible is there because it is God's word...and if one is not willing to follow that word really doesn't care for the word or God so now the question becomes why would believers go around telling others to follow God when they don't do it themselves and calling themselves Christian when they are not really one ..according to the bible it is another pyschological aspect of mentality in play and it clearly has nothing to do with religion Could it be peer pressure or just feeling comfortable with what the mast majority believe in? What do you think the pyschological aspect of mentality in play would be? |
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It seems that the bible teaches that either you believe in what is written or you go to a hell. If it is true, I guess that is for each individual to determine. I personally don't believe it. "smiles"....and that's my point, if one is not a followers of the bible then it becomes what the individual thinks, but once someone makes a committment to follow God or be a Christian then what's in the bible can no longer be regarded as being a belief, it at that point in time becomes absolute truth and according to God must be followed absolutely without question faith required that whats in the bible is there because it is God's word...and if one is not willing to follow that word really doesn't care for the word or God so now the question becomes why would believers go around telling others to follow God when they don't do it themselves and calling themselves Christian when they are not really one ..according to the bible it is another pyschological aspect of mentality in play and it clearly has nothing to do with religion We are all human with human failures...no one is perfect...not even a Christian...we all have our own flaws...we all have our own interpretation of what the word is saying to us...as demonstrated here in these forums. I just want to live my life in the best way that I can. I do not want to try and shove my belief on anyone else really although I do get a bit carried away sometimes when trying to proove my point. It doesn't matter what you believe or don't...I still consider you a friend... 
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The life Jesus led, the miracles He did, the words He spoke, His death on the cross, His resurrection, His ascent to heaven - all point to the fact that He was not merely man, but more than man. Jesus claimed, "I and the Father are One" (John 10:30), "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (John 14:9), and "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6). "imageorgiagirl"....Jesus were very deceptive when he first came to the people, he even said that he used parables to confuse ...so lets look at the parables you presented "I and the father are one" .. when I take a dump I become one with nature but that doesn't mean we are the same person "he who has seen me has seen the father" God made Man in his own image so of course if you see Jesus or any human you will see an image of the father "I am the way, and the truth, if you were the truth you wouldn't have to use parables to confuse people "no one comes to the Father except through Me."" if that is true then there will be newborns in Hell, babies that have died that were not baptized by their parents to accept Jesus will go to Hell ...all those that died in The Great Flood and before Jesus showed up are destine to Hell become none of them even knew of Jesus the Son You are so funny... If you knew all of the bible you would know no newborns will go to Hell! It's too late to find and document this right now but I will later.... "imageorgiagirl" ...the only purpose of a parables is for control, since the parable is a riddle, the teller of the parable holds the true key to it's meaning or non-meaning and therefore can control that person's mind to venture down any path that fit the needs of the teller of the parable ...also known as manipulation also newborns do go to Hell and there are logical reasons for this ...it is the parents responsibilty to make sure the newborn or their child go to Heaven ...if the parents do not give the newborn or child's soul to God or Jesus the child may be sent to Hell as punishment to the parents it's obvious if God has no problems drowning newborns then he has no problems sending them to Hell ...they are only a tainted soul to him |
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The life Jesus led, the miracles He did, the words He spoke, His death on the cross, His resurrection, His ascent to heaven - all point to the fact that He was not merely man, but more than man. Jesus claimed, "I and the Father are One" (John 10:30), "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (John 14:9), and "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6). "imageorgiagirl"....Jesus were very deceptive when he first came to the people, he even said that he used parables to confuse ...so lets look at the parables you presented "I and the father are one" .. when I take a dump I become one with nature but that doesn't mean we are the same person "he who has seen me has seen the father" God made Man in his own image so of course if you see Jesus or any human you will see an image of the father "I am the way, and the truth, if you were the truth you wouldn't have to use parables to confuse people "no one comes to the Father except through Me."" if that is true then there will be newborns in Hell, babies that have died that were not baptized by their parents to accept Jesus will go to Hell ...all those that died in The Great Flood and before Jesus showed up are destine to Hell become none of them even knew of Jesus the Son You are so funny... If you knew all of the bible you would know no newborns will go to Hell! It's too late to find and document this right now but I will later.... "imageorgiagirl" ...the only purpose of a parables is for control, since the parable is a riddle, the teller of the parable holds the true key to it's meaning or non-meaning and therefore can control that person's mind to venture down any path that fit the needs of the teller of the parable ...also known as manipulation also newborns do go to Hell and there are logical reasons for this ...it is the parents responsibilty to make sure the newborn or their child go to Heaven ...if the parents do not give the newborn or child's soul to God or Jesus the child may be sent to Hell as punishment to the parents it's obvious if God has no problems drowning newborns then he has no problems sending them to Hell ...they are only a tainted soul to him |
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Oh I know....I am delusional!
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Just because some don't believe today, doesn't mean they won't believe later. But for those who have heard and heard and understood the Good news, and STILL reject Jesus as Lord, even after hearing and understanding...even to the point of their last dying breath even? Then they WILL be cut off from God....separated from God. Is that how you remain convinced youself, but believing that if others don't believe now they will later? Not goint to happen for me of course, at age 59 I am not going to all of a sudden start believing when it took years to get the guilt laden catholic religion out of my head. Just because people say they have heard doesn't mean they are hearing anything but their own thoughts. And the threat of being cut off from God is not threat to those that don't believe it and for those that do, then your god seems to have only one way to control his flock and that is by threat. So much for gods power if he needs to threaten his people. I think more and more people are down right tired of hearing all this nonsense and the constant argument 'even between believers' in what is true and what is not. The more you all quote your own particular scriptures the more you all sound desperate and the more it all sounds delusional to the rest of us. I can believe there is a place beyond death that is with out pain and the weight of living, but I can not believe a God would allow his so called message to be so manimpulated by his own followers that even they can't get others to believe. And even the idea of a place after death is pretty much only wish ful thinking on my part because I don't know it to be true and couldn't prove if it did exist. Just rambling.... |
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It seems that the bible teaches that either you believe in what is written or you go to a hell. If it is true, I guess that is for each individual to determine. I personally don't believe it. "smiles"....and that's my point, if one is not a followers of the bible then it becomes what the individual thinks, but once someone makes a committment to follow God or be a Christian then what's in the bible can no longer be regarded as being a belief, it at that point in time becomes absolute truth and according to God must be followed absolutely without question faith required that whats in the bible is there because it is God's word...and if one is not willing to follow that word really doesn't care for the word or God so now the question becomes why would believers go around telling others to follow God when they don't do it themselves and calling themselves Christian when they are not really one ..according to the bible it is another pyschological aspect of mentality in play and it clearly has nothing to do with religion Could it be peer pressure or just feeling comfortable with what the mast majority believe in? What do you think the pyschological aspect of mentality in play would be? if it was peer pressure that means people are just part of the collective with no individual morality just herd mentality, also they could not claim "Free Will" or freedom of religion or freedom of expression since peer pressure would take away those freedoms also you will hear people say that their friends or co-workers have other beliefs which means there is no peer pressure to claim one is of a particular religion unless there is peer pressure that one must be in some type of religion so they can be viewed by others as being a moral person but if one align themselves with a person or entity that promises to torture billions of innocent souls then how do that makes one a moral person, what is even the point of claiming to have compassion or love that is why following such a religion is an indication that the horror of it feeds the ID .., the monster inside, ones thirst for bloodshed |
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Well how do explain the fact that when I was about 3 and drowned for several minutes and was not saved that I went up into the light instead of down in the darkness? LOL "imageorgiagirl"...since I don't know all the facts of the event I can only speculate and give you logical explanations.. you spent 9 months in your mother's womb with the ability to siphon oxygen from liquid, when face in a life and death situation the human body like God works in mysterious ways and you could have once again retain the ability to breath liquid, also if the water was cold enough it would have slowed down the body functions enough to keep you from drowning, also the fact that you didn't drown proves you wasn't underwater long enough to completely drown also as for you seeing the light ...it's a phenonmeon called water refraction or reflection of light ...it could have been cause by anything from a flashlight to the sun |
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Well how do explain the fact that when I was about 3 and drowned for several minutes and was not saved that I went up into the light instead of down in the darkness? LOL "imageorgiagirl"...since I don't know all the facts of the event I can only speculate and give you logical explanations.. you spent 9 months in your mother's womb with the ability to siphon oxygen from liquid, when face in a life and death situation the human body like God works in mysterious ways and you could have once again retain the ability to breath liquid, also if the water was cold enough it would have slowed down the body functions enough to keep you from drowning, also the fact that you didn't drown proves you wasn't underwater long enough to completely drown also as for you seeing the light ...it's a phenonmeon called water refraction or reflection of light ...it could have been cause by anything from a flashlight to the sun When I see you in Heaven then you can tell me what it was...because by then you will know what it was too! 
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Oh I know....I am delusional!
"imageorgiagirl" ...of course you're delusional ...but I don't mean that in a bad way ....funches 3:16 |
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