The whole idea of burning in hell comes from pagan Molech worship practice of burning children in fire. A practice that Yahweh says "never entered my mind". And then people turn around and accuse HIM of the idea!

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30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it. 31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.



<< Jeremiah 19 >>
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4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: 6 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter.


On the surface, it might appear that with all the wealth and influence of Carthage, children became a mere inconvenience. But there is far more than that behind the Moloch worship that developed in this "jewel" of the Mediterranean.

How did Carthage adopt the worship of Moloch? We don't know for sure, but historical archeology tells us what happened during the horrible sacrificial rites this god demanded. The hideous idol of Moloch apparently had a man's body with the head of an ox. Its arms and hands extended out in front. In the idol's lap was a fire that heated a metal plate. The priest would take a child, given by its parents, and lay it across the outstretched aims of the idol.

The child was bound so it could not wiggle away. Other priests played music and beat drums very loudly while everybody cheered frantically - all to drown out the screams of the terrified child. Then the priest manipulated the arms of the idol until the child was over the plate - which was now white-hot. Then he would release the idol's arms so the child would drop to a horrifying fiery death.

Now, Moloch is one of the oldest names for the ancient deities associated with human sacrifice, nature worship, and fertility. Others were Baal, Asherali, and Ashtoreth. As with Moloch, it is difficult to find too much recorded about them in ancient texts. One reason is censorship. Early archaeologists who came across their sites of worship were shocked and horrified by their discoveries.

They found entire cemeteries full of babies that had obviously been sacrificed in some kind of ritual murder. Some archaeologists would not even report the details of sights they found in professional journals. Some even wrote in scholar's Latin because they felt it was so pornographic and so ugly. That is why you so rarely found detailed descriptions of the secret worship of Moloch, Baal, Ashtoreth, and Asherah.

Why Worship What Is Evil?
What we know without question is that the worship of the followers of these deities like Asherah and Ashtoreth focused on sexual reproduction. The "sacred" groves were places where sexual immorality was carried out for the purpose of worship. It was a very attractive sort of religion for people in love with money and power. You went to the groves for sex and food, you danced in the grass nude, you had an orgy, and you made it religious. Then later you sacrificed your children because, supposedly, these gods of nature had given them to you - and now they wanted them back.

While reading about these rituals, what type of people do you think were taking part? People with bones through their noses? Clubs and animals skins? No. We're talking about a highly advanced civilization - the one that ruled the world at that time. We're not talking about primitive people. We're talking about highly intelligent and well-to-do men and women.

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And then at the same time, people accuse Yahweh of being evil for wiping these people and their practices out! This is why Israel had to lay waste to these cultures. Or would you rather have the child sacrifice?

Thanks "MorningSong" ....finally a christian that just tells the truth about their belief instead of trying to crucify me for asking the Hell question

also you know your statement means there will be no babies in Heaven and that all babies will burn in Hell

let me guess ...you are about to recant or modify the statement you just made

One goes to hell by REJECTING JESUS....ONLY...

not by not Understandng.


A child who DOES NOT YET UNDERSTAND ,is Therefore NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE...

a tiny child is not CAPABLE of even understanding about having to make a decision of either accepting or rejecting Jesus.

Children go to heaven....period.

But, for those who DO UNDERSTAND and STILL REJECT Jesus...and still keep REJECTING JESUS in their laST DYING BREATH, and then DIE...STILL IN THEIR SINS ...they are the ones who go to hell.

But I really don't think ANYONE will reject Jesus in his last dying breath....

once he HEARS AND UNDERSTANDS ABOUT CHRIST JESUS, that is...

unless he is the biggest Fool that ever walked the face of the earth....and has a heart full of evil.

Btw...there are ALSO those who lived BEFORE Christ....those who beleived in God before Christ came to dwell among us...

whom Jesus took back with Him to heaven ,
when he arose from the dead and ascended into heaven.


But for all those now born after Christ , the way is made clear...and that is to Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...in order to be be Saved.

so are you and TBRich saying that Hell or the description of Hell isn't mention in neither of the testaments

that would be a miracle because all God's threaten their followers with some form of punishment or what would be the point of the God enacting laws

"yellowrose" ...so it doesn't matter to you want others think? ...that would be an indication of sociopathic mentality or indifference

hmmmmm i don't think that is what i was saying and i think you know that. it means that i'm not going to worry about it

Not only is a child NOT held accountable, but a child has not even sinned yet.

Man is all born with a "sin nature"...inherited from Adam...meaning we are all prone to sin.....but a tiny child has not even sinned yet.....

Sin and God don't mix....so point is..another reason a child goes straight to heaven is....

because a child does not understand yet about sin....nor has even sinned yet.

It is only when we DO understand about sin ....and when we do understand about Christ , that we are held accountable.

"MoringSong" ...according to God and the bible everyone are sinners or born into sin and that include children

Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb,they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

this is an indication that babies are not exempt from going to Hell

"yellowrose' ..if it didn't matter what other people think you wouldn't be ashame to admit that there is a Hell and that your God promise to torture billions of souls there

In 2 Samuel 12,
King David’s newborn son fell terminally ill.

After seven days, the child died.

In verses 22 and 23, the Bible records that David said:

“While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’
But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I SHALL GO TO HIM, but he shall not return to me.”

It is clear that David’s dead infant son would never return to this Earth, but David also said that one day, he would go to be with his son.

Through inspiration, David documented that his own eternal destination was going to be “in the house of the Lord” (Psalm 23:6).

Therefore, we can conclude that “the house of the Lord” would be the eternal destination of his infant son to whom David would one day go.

King David was looking forward to the day when he would be able to meet his son in heaven. Absolutely nothing in this context gives any hint that the dead infant son’s soul would go to hell.

Furthermore, Jesus said in Matthew 18:3-5:

Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

And in Luke 18:16-17, Jesus remarked: “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God.

Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”

Therefore, we have been given a specific example in the Old Testament of an infant who died and would live forever in heaven.

And Jesus Christ Himself, in the New Testament, stated that little children retain the qualities that make a person eligible to inherit the kingdom of God.

We see, then, that infants and small children that die are in a safe state, and will live eternally in heaven.



Nite Funches.....we go to hell one way only ..and that is by REJECTING Jesus....

The Word has to be rigthly divided....and ALL scriptures taken into consideration....not just one...which means we all need to STUDY..not just pick a scripture here and there.

Have to grab some winks now.....Be Blessed Funches..and Everyone Now...Nite Nite....

Sorry...you misunderstood this scripture..it means,as I already stated earlier...

we are ALLLLLLL born with a "sin nature"...
meaning ......
we ALLLLLL will sin as a result...

BUT a child is not able to understand sin yet ..so if a child does not understand, he is not held accountable.

I mean, a child does nOT understand what sin is....

and a child does not even understand about Jesus yet.

You have heard of children accepting Jesus into their hearts at a very early age...right?

Yet these children who accepted
Jesus into their hearts, because their parents taught them.....
will grow up, and then really make a decision for Jesus...later on....but this time with understanding.

As a child,
I loved Jesus and sang hymns because my mum taught me......but when I grew up , I really accepted Jesus into my heart....on my own........

and
with understanding this time.

The innocent heart of a child believes with childlike faith
but
has no understanding yet.

When Jesus refers to being like a child, Jesus is talking of childlike faith.....accepting and trusting like a child...not about the lack of understanding a child has.

Its all a hologram

"MorningSong" ...but doesn't this still mean that good children that do understand sin but don't accept Jesus because they are of a different faith will be condemn by your God to burn in Hell

hun..i'm not ashamed. you know why i have a hard time saying anything (because of my dad) it's a personal choice after what i've seen and heard throughout life. i never claimed to be the perfect christian and never will claim that

i was just asking the question out being curious. trying to learn about others.....nothing more, nothing less

Funch...a child has childlike faith and trust.....

when a child dies, I beleive God Himself appears before that child, and reaches out to the child........and the child reaches right back to God.....with the purest childlike faith and trust...

in other words, that little child is NOT gonna be rejecting Jesus, when He makes himself known to that little child...

as God makes Himself known to all...and will eventually draw all to Him, by the power of His Holy Spirit.

Point is..DON"T underestimate the Power of God....

HIS ways are HIGHER than our ways...... and God is able to reach those in ways we know not yet of....and is able to Save to the Uttermost!!

And once again, God does NOT reject us....we reject Jesus....

and surely a little child will NOT reject God....because a little child trusts....and believes.... with purest childlike faith.

That is why God says, except we all become as little children, we shall not enter the Kingdom of heaven.

Off to church...have a good day now Funch

funches....my sis and i were sent to a private school during our jr high years (the public school was....not a nice one let's say)

those people taught christianity but their actions were different. they were cruel, snobby people to my sis. Dawn came home crying every day because she didn't understand why they would do that. they were monsters to her. i was younger and in another grade. the year after she left for high school...i was still their. all of these monsters gathered around a new girl BRAGGING about what they did to my sis. they turned around and saw me. i spoke to the principal about it and told him they are hypocrites. mom got called and she said the same thing

as an adult....i saw one of the girls. she tried to be so sweet and i called her on it....she had no comment (what a shock huh)

for all I know....these so called christians could go to hell for their hearts. i don't know.

there are people that call themselves christians that are nothing but hypocrites IMO

all of these things is way i PERSONALLY don't want to make a judgement call on hell

make sense???? again...i never claimed to be perfect

"yellowrose" ...a perfect Christian would approve of everything their God does without question ..which means anything less than a perfect Christian is not a Christian but an Atheist in denial

1st....i'm not perfect. i freely admit that. but i chose not to discuss that part for personal reasons. sorryyou can't understand that

it was only a simple question i asked out of being curious and someone answered it

"MorningSong" ...child-like trust can also mean child-like terror ...so the question was..what if the child is scare and rejects God and Jesus ...will the child burn in hell