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electricity.... I think you hit the nail on the head right there. We'd all be far better off if electricity had never been harnessed. a good daddy turn off the lights to get the attention of the kids??? |
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the far left and far right are acting like children and all the poor are going to pay for it
just watch we'll all be in bread lines soon |
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the far left and far right are acting like children and all the poor are going to pay for it just watch we'll all be in bread lines soon bread lines turn into gold lines in golden days??? |
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the far left and far right are acting like children and all the poor are going to pay for it just watch we'll all be in bread lines soon bread lines turn into gold lines in golden days??? I hope so i really do |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Fri 02/13/09 09:50 PM
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Driven, Ive been researching and watching this crap for most of my life. While the Dem Party is far from Utopian, they are just as far from being organized enough to complete as thorough a conspiracy against the American people as the Republican Party. To think that most backed or agreed with the Bush Administration is just silly. I have no idea what you are talking about saying most of our troubles were started by the Dem Party. You've obviously been living in a different country than I to think that. At best it was mutual, but while Bush was in office the problems were accelerated and intensified in ways that can only be described as a premeditated attempt to secure power and control of this country for the Corporate interests and warmongering neo-cons. If you did a little research into the items the Republicans want added to the stimulus then that fact should be obvious. If you think they are trying to do the right thing by the American People, then you are seriously living in a confused state of mind. The Republican Party called everyone who didnt agree with them UnAmerican, Veterans and all. They are the UnAmericans. Instead of trying to solve any of our problems they chose to delay and stand in the way of the American peoples wishes. Just as they did when Bush was President and our country's reputation and morale plummeted. Kinda scary how people can be controlled by mass media, that has been, in turn, controlled by by a government organization since 1917... Yes! Even before that though. Now the mode used to distribute it is just faster. Just look at how fast the idiocy of Ron Paul spreads on the internet. Fortunately most Americans are smart enough to be immune from that pessimist attitude, or we could just go ahead and kiss our futures good-bye! |
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the far left and far right are acting like children and all the poor are going to pay for it just watch we'll all be in bread lines soon bread lines turn into gold lines in golden days??? I hope so i really do the hope of the meek turn to gold or there is no god it be told!!! if trillions and gazillions of eye's have peered into the darkness and thought there was a god, then only one that deem two eye's as better than trillions and gazillions doth not see??? |
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How about the lack of American Pride??? Letting the government take over and run this country whether they wanted to or (now a lot of people think) they have to. 
So true. |
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that a sense of self responsibility has been replaced with the sense of entitlement. I say, if you can't grow or kill/catch your own food, and try to take mine away...you will NOT like me. We just need to try a new 'social experiment'...turn off all the electricity grids in a state for a month...and when the people see how easy life really is nowdays...turn it back on and pick a new state to blackout....equal poweroutages for all!! I say try taking regulations off the market, and NO MORE BAILOUTS. If they cut back on social programs, people would find themselves much better off financially. I totally agree though. People feel entitled to everything. Taking tax money, then giving it to another group of people is literally the same as robbing the middle/upper class at gunpoint, to give to the lower class. It's just robbery any way you break it up. Doctors are much more successful when they practice preventive medicine. We would be much more successful if we did the same. Diagnose where the problem is and treat it. If there aren't enough jobs in the U.S. raise taxes on imports. Process is slow, but is the only treatment. Social programs are just like painkillers. Problem still exists, but people simply won't notice anymore. Another thing people don't seem to get, is the fact that there does exist charities. That's their job, is to go to the unfortunate. Funny thing about charities, is most rich people donates millions of dollars every year to them simply to lower their tax bracket so they don't owe the IRS as much. This can be used to our advantage. The food pantries are running out of food. The difficult time that we are having is affecting the charities too. Of course it is. But the big businesses still volunteer millions, if not billions a year to these charities. Better let them do that than point guns to everyone's head and steal their money. |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Sat 02/14/09 12:09 AM
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Driven, Ive been researching and watching this crap for most of my life. While the Dem Party is far from Utopian, they are just as far from being organized enough to complete as thorough a conspiracy against the American people as the Republican Party. To think that most backed or agreed with the Bush Administration is just silly. I have no idea what you are talking about saying most of our troubles were started by the Dem Party. You've obviously been living in a different country than I to think that. At best it was mutual, but while Bush was in office the problems were accelerated and intensified in ways that can only be described as a premeditated attempt to secure power and control of this country for the Corporate interests and warmongering neo-cons. If you did a little research into the items the Republicans want added to the stimulus then that fact should be obvious. If you think they are trying to do the right thing by the American People, then you are seriously living in a confused state of mind. The Republican Party called everyone who didnt agree with them UnAmerican, Veterans and all. They are the UnAmericans. Instead of trying to solve any of our problems they chose to delay and stand in the way of the American peoples wishes. Just as they did when Bush was President and our country's reputation and morale plummeted. Kinda scary how people can be controlled by mass media, that has been, in turn, controlled by by a government organization since 1917... Yes! Even before that though. Now the mode used to distribute it is just faster. Just look at how fast the idiocy of Ron Paul spreads on the internet. Fortunately most Americans are smart enough to be immune from that pessimist attitude, or we could just go ahead and kiss our futures good-bye! I know you put in some research, but i ask this. How has anything the republican party did been more damaging that Democratic president Woodrow Wilson signing in the Federal Reserve? And look that the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. And NAFTA of 1993. Of course not backing the dollar was the republicans and that was as damagine i suppose a the CRA. I still question how you think Ron Paul is so loony. That is your opinion though and you are entitled to it. But the funny thing you see about Ron Paul is that he is one of the few actually trying to educate people on how our system works. I don't understand how strictly abiding by our constitution is so crazy. I believe with all my heart that this is the poison spreading through us. Complacency taking the place of critical thinking. We were complacent with G.W., and now it's happening again just because we switched parties. Funny thing is, every day, more and more, Obama is proving himself to be nearly the same person as G.W.. Pushing through these pork filled stimulus packages before anyone can read through and understand the 800 pages they contain. Almost the same exact thing happened under Bush with the bailout... I know most of the republican party is corrupt still. But I truely see them learning. At least they aren't just pushing this bill through. Even though you think Dr. Paul is crazy, you at least have to admit he is not corrupt... 
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by Drivenmenutz:
...I still question how you think Ron Paul is so loony. That is your opinion though and you are entitled to it. But the funny thing you see about Ron Paul is that he is one of the few actually trying to educate people on how our system works. I don't understand how strictly abiding by our constitution is so crazy... Because, he has already told you, Driven. Right here: by Fanta46:
...Ive been researching and watching this crap for most of my life... Now, you should know, Driven, that if you spend your life supporting a particular view, then when the truth surfaces at the end, most can't accept it. Because it means all that you've done and known, was wrong. Also, Fanta46 is talking very short term. He doesn't realize what exactly you or Ron Paul are talking about. To him, the bickering about Bush or Clinton or Reagan is important. Watch: by Fanta46:
...I have no idea what you are talking about saying most of our troubles were started by the Dem Party. You've obviously been living in a different country than I to think that. At best it was mutual, but while Bush was in office the problems were accelerated and intensified in ways that can only be described as a premeditated attempt to secure power and control of this country for the Corporate interests and warmongering neo-cons. If you did a little research into the items the Republicans want added to the stimulus then that fact should be obvious. If you think they are trying to do the right thing by the American People, then you are seriously living in a confused state of mind... and here: by Fanta46:
...They are the UnAmericans. Instead of trying to solve any of our problems they chose to delay and stand in the way of the American peoples wishes... see? It's like you are talking about elephants but he is talking about donkeys. |
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He is talking very short term. You can't fix anything by viewing things short term. But he does not realize that the whole fact of anybody, including "workers" living on someone else's money is wrong, and can not be harmless to society.
I do not feel that there is a right and wrong to Fanta46. I think he believes that it is all fncked up, and because it is, let's make sure that at least it is always fncked up to benefit the lazy and the stupid. |
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Edited by
Unknow
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Sat 02/14/09 03:05 PM
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How about the lack of American Pride??? Letting the government take over and run this country whether they wanted to or (now a lot of people think) they have to.
So true. It seems only certain groups ( i won't mention names) build themselves up on BS. and half truths just so they can bad mouth this country (which is the noblest country in the world) I guess its a psychological thing. I was born with a slver spoon so my country is the worst in the world |
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Luke AFB is west of Phoenix and is rapidly being surrounded by civilization that complains about the noise from the base and its planes, forgetting that it was there long before they were. A certain lieutenant colonel at Luke AFB deserves a big pat on the back. Apparently, an individual who lives somewhere near Luke AFB wrote the local paper complaining about a group of F-16s that disturbed his/her day at the mall. When that individual read the response from a Luke AFB officer, it must Have stung quite a bit. The complaint: 'Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 A.M, a tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns early bird special? Any response would be appreciated. The response: Regarding 'A wake-up call from Luke's jets' On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four- ship fly by of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques. Capt Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day. At 9 a. m. on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on the letter writer's recount of the fly by, and because of the jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag on behalf of the President of the United States and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured.. A four-ship fly by is a display of respect the Air Force gives to those who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects. The letter writer asks, 'Whom do we thank for the morning air show? The 56th Fighter Wing will make the call for you, and forward your thanks to the widow and parents of Capt Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their lives. Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you....Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 02/14/09 06:27 PM
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by Drivenmenutz:
...I still question how you think Ron Paul is so loony. That is your opinion though and you are entitled to it. But the funny thing you see about Ron Paul is that he is one of the few actually trying to educate people on how our system works. I don't understand how strictly abiding by our constitution is so crazy... Because, he has already told you, Driven. Right here: by Fanta46:
...Ive been researching and watching this crap for most of my life... Now, you should know, Driven, that if you spend your life supporting a particular view, then when the truth surfaces at the end, most can't accept it. Because it means all that you've done and known, was wrong. Also, Fanta46 is talking very short term. He doesn't realize what exactly you or Ron Paul are talking about. To him, the bickering about Bush or Clinton or Reagan is important. Watch: by Fanta46:
...I have no idea what you are talking about saying most of our troubles were started by the Dem Party. You've obviously been living in a different country than I to think that. At best it was mutual, but while Bush was in office the problems were accelerated and intensified in ways that can only be described as a premeditated attempt to secure power and control of this country for the Corporate interests and warmongering neo-cons. If you did a little research into the items the Republicans want added to the stimulus then that fact should be obvious. If you think they are trying to do the right thing by the American People, then you are seriously living in a confused state of mind... and here: by Fanta46:
...They are the UnAmericans. Instead of trying to solve any of our problems they chose to delay and stand in the way of the American peoples wishes... see? It's like you are talking about elephants but he is talking about donkeys. He is talking very short term. You can't fix anything by viewing things short term. But he does not realize that the whole fact of anybody, including "workers" living on someone else's money is wrong, and can not be harmless to society.
I do not feel that there is a right and wrong to Fanta46. I think he believes that it is all fncked up, and because it is, let's make sure that at least it is always fncked up to benefit the lazy and the stupid. Man, arent we stuck on a theme here! There is nothing new about Ron Paul's ideas. History will tell you, people like him have been predicting the fall of America's financial system since people have been predicting the end of the world will be tomorrow! Eventually they may be right, but the day and means are not within their ability to predict. The press has been dealing their hands in our political system since the days when news was delivered on horseback. Again a knowledge of history would inform you of this. History from years long gone, not just the years since Ron Paul started schooling the conspiracy theorist of this country! |
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Luke AFB is west of Phoenix and is rapidly being surrounded by civilization that complains about the noise from the base and its planes, forgetting that it was there long before they were. A certain lieutenant colonel at Luke AFB deserves a big pat on the back. Apparently, an individual who lives somewhere near Luke AFB wrote the local paper complaining about a group of F-16s that disturbed his/her day at the mall. When that individual read the response from a Luke AFB officer, it must Have stung quite a bit. The complaint: 'Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 A.M, a tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall, continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns early bird special? Any response would be appreciated. The response: Regarding 'A wake-up call from Luke's jets' On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four- ship fly by of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques. Capt Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day. At 9 a. m. on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on the letter writer's recount of the fly by, and because of the jet noise, I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag on behalf of the President of the United States and all those veterans and servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured.. A four-ship fly by is a display of respect the Air Force gives to those who give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects. The letter writer asks, 'Whom do we thank for the morning air show? The 56th Fighter Wing will make the call for you, and forward your thanks to the widow and parents of Capt Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their lives. Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you....Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF That was beautiful i hope they felt like crap after they read that God bless all the men and woman who serve to protect us |
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DoD Identifies Air Force Casualties
The Department of Defense announced today the deaths of four airmen who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. The airmen died May 30 in the crash of an Iraqi air force aircraft during a training mission in eastern Diyala province. They are: Major William Downs, 40, of Winchester, Virginia, assigned to the 6th Special Operations Squadron, Hurlburt Field, Florida. Captain Jeremy Fresques, 26, of Clarkdale, Arizona, assigned to the 23rd Special Tactics Squadron, Hurlburt Field, Florida. Captain Derek Argel, 28, of Lompoc, California, assigned to the 23rd Special Tactics Squadron, Hurlburt Field, Florida. Staff Sergeant Casey Crate, 26, of Spanaway, Washington, assigned to the 23rd Special Tactics Squadron, Hurlburt Field, Florida. The cause of the crash is currently under investigation. http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/iraq-aircrew-053005.htm |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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a perfectly timed four- ship fly by of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques.
A lie! Unless those F-16's flew over his grave and all the way to AZ. Capt Fresques, and the other 4 US airmen, God rest their souls, were buried in the same casket with the first Iraqi national to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11521628 |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Sat 02/14/09 06:57 PM
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by Drivenmenutz:
...I still question how you think Ron Paul is so loony. That is your opinion though and you are entitled to it. But the funny thing you see about Ron Paul is that he is one of the few actually trying to educate people on how our system works. I don't understand how strictly abiding by our constitution is so crazy... Because, he has already told you, Driven. Right here: by Fanta46:
...Ive been researching and watching this crap for most of my life... Now, you should know, Driven, that if you spend your life supporting a particular view, then when the truth surfaces at the end, most can't accept it. Because it means all that you've done and known, was wrong. Also, Fanta46 is talking very short term. He doesn't realize what exactly you or Ron Paul are talking about. To him, the bickering about Bush or Clinton or Reagan is important. Watch: by Fanta46:
...I have no idea what you are talking about saying most of our troubles were started by the Dem Party. You've obviously been living in a different country than I to think that. At best it was mutual, but while Bush was in office the problems were accelerated and intensified in ways that can only be described as a premeditated attempt to secure power and control of this country for the Corporate interests and warmongering neo-cons. If you did a little research into the items the Republicans want added to the stimulus then that fact should be obvious. If you think they are trying to do the right thing by the American People, then you are seriously living in a confused state of mind... and here: by Fanta46:
...They are the UnAmericans. Instead of trying to solve any of our problems they chose to delay and stand in the way of the American peoples wishes... see? It's like you are talking about elephants but he is talking about donkeys. He is talking very short term. You can't fix anything by viewing things short term. But he does not realize that the whole fact of anybody, including "workers" living on someone else's money is wrong, and can not be harmless to society.
I do not feel that there is a right and wrong to Fanta46. I think he believes that it is all fncked up, and because it is, let's make sure that at least it is always fncked up to benefit the lazy and the stupid. Man, arent we stuck on a theme here! There is nothing new about Ron Paul's ideas. History will tell you, people like him have been predicting the fall of America's financial system since people have been predicting the end of the world will be tomorrow! Eventually they may be right, but the day and means are not within their ability to predict. The press has been dealing their hands in our political system since the days when news was delivered on horseback. Again a knowledge of history would inform you of this. History from years long gone, not just the years since Ron Paul started schooling the conspiracy theorist of this country! I know there have been many like Ron Paul in the past. They used to be called antifederalists, which, later became the republican party. They are conservative and believe whole heartedly in the constitution. Unfortunately people are startng to think the document no longer applies. These are the people that Ron Paul tries to point out. He is one of the very few, i would think, actually trying to address our economy and where the problems stem from. If you want a welfare and warfare state, i can understand you not liking him. I for one think the U.S. should start minding it's own business. Maybe if we don't start organizations like the taliban, then they won't be a threat. Maybe by becoming fiscally responsible our depression won't last quite as long. Maybe if we treat the disease causing us all to overspend, maybe we can stabalize the system. Unfortunately Obama's team is the same as Bush's and Clinton's. They may know about our problems but they don't address them. I ask you honestly and frankly Fanta, only because i know you read up on things, how can we solve this economic crisis when we still have a federal reserve? The federal reserve is the reason that in order to pump any money into the system, we have to pay that money, plus interest back. JFK seemed to think it was very important to abolish it. So did Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. BTW Mr. Jackson was the only president in history to pay off our deficit. The info i got on the federal reserve had nothng to do with Ron Paul BTW. Instead it was information concerning the Fractional Reserve System that pointed out the math. Our current system was not designed to last forever. Unless, of course, you can somehow point out where we have injected interest free money into circulation anytime since 1913. Oh, here's something to think about: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson after signing in the federal reserve bank. |
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He is talking very short term. You can't fix anything by viewing things short term. But he does not realize that the whole fact of anybody, including "workers" living on someone else's money is wrong, and can not be harmless to society. I do not feel that there is a right and wrong to Fanta46. I think he believes that it is all fncked up, and because it is, let's make sure that at least it is always fncked up to benefit the lazy and the stupid. I get what you are saying bro. Thanks for the input.
From your previous posts, you are one to think long term. You've givin some pretty good insight on our system. |
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a perfectly timed four- ship fly by of F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques. A lie! Unless those F-16's flew over his grave and all the way to AZ. Capt Fresques, and the other 4 US airmen, God rest their souls, were buried in the same casket with the first Iraqi national to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11521628 Separate funerals with remains that could be identified were held earlier by each of the airmen's families. |
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