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Reason is but a tool. A single tool. Yes alone it is inadequate.

I totally agree. You must integrate reason, emotion, intuition, and spirituality.

lady with the blue dress on

good point

I would like to further submit that without reason no conscious understanding can be reached.

In "human reasoning" in this time period it is true. Early 21st century humans cannot understand the world with their current reasoning. They are afraid to take 3 steps back and look at the full picture, they rather live in their own private cocoon and build walls around themselves, because they fear of the unknown.

perfect reasoning can solve anything, and perfect reasoning only be proving all other reasoning as correct???

to prove another correct show how in any way it is less correct, and at the same time, open the eye's of larger reasoning to self???

small reasoning is proving self most correct at all times, and so solve little, but large reasoning is proving all correct at all times, so solve much???

to prove each thing that is not as self as incorrect, decrease the reasoning ability of self unto self blindness???

Interesting

Knowledge talks, wisdom listens.

if so, then why are we here if we are not genetically able to understand the place we are?

It gets more interesting if you ask the question, why do we want to understand it and what makes us want to understand it?

That is where the genetics comes in. We are built in with this curiosity. However I do not think there is any kind of mental speed limit going on. If our continued advancement of intelligence can be selected against then we will continue to advance in intelligence.

We have come pretty far on the advancements of cognition that occurred some 50-150K years ago.

Some people don't need to know, don't want to know.


I feel a desire to know. If I were a scientist with unlimited funding, I would go all the way.

I would be cloning people by now.

Disagree. Reason is the basis of understanding. Without reason, there is no understanding. Rampant natural materialism is the basis of all science. Without it, we would not understand anything at all.

The only place where reason fails is religion and the understanding of the oft too fragile human heart.

"It's a fool that looks for reason in the chambers of the human heart."
Ulysses Everett McGill, O Brother Where Art Thou?

'... Reason is inadequate to understanding the world ...' (I assume 'universe and our place in it' is impied by 'world')

This whole 'affirmation' might imply:

'... given that reason IS inadequate, since we don't understand the world yet, should we turn to something else, ... to understand the world ('universe')?!?!? ...'

And thus the eternal struggle between the natural (reason) and supranatural (spirit or soul).

A sort of abdication of our imperfect condition, implying that we should get to the end of our quest one day, and understand it all!!!
'... Enough with this human mystery already!!! ...' We all seem to be struggling with throughout life!

Reason, or reasoning, is our only tool to support our understanding of the world. I think 'Bushidobillyclub' already wrote something to that effect.

Furthermore, good reasoning recognises its own shortcomings. It doesn't address a question with the 'silver bullit' attitude, in spite of our emotional condition that might suggest otherwise, like a constant distraction to straight reasoning.

If we ponder with serenity, the wise words of Tao Li Ching's :

'... the more you know, the less you understand ...',

... our reason, if used in a optimal fashion, will provide more knowledge of the infinity we shall never know as humans.

Maybe true understanding of the world, is being intensely searching and reasoning, while being at peace with 'knowing' more, about that which we shall 'understand less'!!!

In that context, 'reason' has no purpose whatsoever in providing a definitive understanding of the world ('universe'), as the affirmation seems to imply.

Reason's function is simply to keep distinguish new, or more human knowledge from observation and rational deduction.

Distinct from that relatively simple function, the result of more knowledge causes more, not less understanding of the world.

In that respect, Quantum physics is a good example.
It has created a 'quantum leap' in new questions raised (more of that 'less understanding'), while generating and providing a 'little bit' of additional knowledge.

Seeking to understand, while recognizing the paradoxe that we never will 'understand it all', is probably what keeps human spirit alive. Probably what makes being human the fascinating, yet humbling experience that it is!!! The liberating teachings of the Greek myth 'Sisyphus'!!!

Desperately seeking to break, or figure out this paradox, takes all the fun (naivety, mystery) out of life.

Walking around, thinking that we have the answer (fundamentalists), or that we hold the 'right' path to enventually gaining it, is unqualifiably giving into the delusional.

So reason/reasoning is fine.

Understanding the world (all of it) IS BUT A VAIN PURSUIT!!!

anything can find perfect reasoning, that seek to see it's own ignorance, instead of it's own brilliance???

anything that looks to identify it's own brilliance become more ignorant, but anything that love to find it's own ignorance, become as brilliant!!!

each brain is a genius, but the user decide the state of mind, which be the perception, which decide the delimitation, which create any delusion, and no greater saboteur exist than the desire to maintain the brilliance of self???

the brain has two towers, ignorance and brilliance, and the one anything most seek to identify within self, cause the opposite to grow???

brilliance is increased within, each time ignorance is identified within, until soon the tower of ignorance is reduced to ruble, leaving the tower of wisdom touching the skies???

delusion be only created by anything that despise it's own ignorance as an enemey, but the love of proving self as incorrect to self, as much as possible, is the paradox that illuminate ALL illusions, and soon become a most positive loved emotion, that free anything from what was first the most hated destructive energy and force in the cosmos.

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Disagree!! fully.

only reason being is because our knowledge is still growing and we use our knowledge of science and such to make rational reason for things.

as our knowledge improves i feel that eventually we will be able to understand the world very well through reason and understanding.

leap of faith? perhaps... but is it so much more of a leap of faith than religeon?

What is wrong in believing in the strength our the mind of humanity? It isn't all bad... :)