But wouldn't the process have to at least be started? If a man walked up to another man and said, "Hey, I believe Im a woman trapped in a man's body" would another man say, oh really? Let me get to know that hidden woman? Wouldnt he want instead to either to get to know that other man's body as a hemosexual?

The Crying Game was absolutely excellent, but the heterosexual who fell in love with the woman/man, fell in love with her based on the feminine attributes she exibited. She was CLEARLY a woman in a man's body. If she had walked up to him wearing a jock strap and a tee shirt with a man's haircut and voice, Im sure the heterosexual wouldnt have even taken a glance. See what I mean?

Thanks for your post. I will try to clarify. Yes, I am physically a man and I have no plans to start the process of becoming a woman. I don't look at a man and think how good looking he is. However, most of my time is spent as a man. Perhaps if I were living as a woman more I could be better in touch with my feelings.

I have realized that I need to spend more time as a woman but that is difficult to arrange. I have plans to do so this summer for a week. I want to live 24/7 as a woman and get in touch with my female self. As part of the experience I was hoping to go on a date. I just want the experience. It would be platonic to give me the feelings and sensations of being a woman. The person would not have to be gay. I was thinking that perhaps a heterosexual male would consider doing so to be kind. It might be fun!

When I feel feminine I try to look the part. Which makes me feel more feminine. If then I am attracted to men, I don't see myself as a gay man but as a woman attracted to a man.

I am planning on making an appointment to see a counselor this week. I recognize I need assistance sorting this out. I appreciate the questions and comments as that is helping.

Thats what I said though. If a man is a transvestite but has not begun the process yet of becoming a transgender female and a heterosexual man falls in love with him as a woman then I would not consider that man homosexual. A homosexual is attracted to men that look and behave like men. At least that was my understanding.

I cant remember the details of "The Crying Game" but he had not begun the actual process yet of becoming a transgender female. He merely was a crossdresser. Yet the heterosexual man fell in love with him as a crossdresser because to him, she was a woman.

So no, the process does not have to be started at all. A transvestite like in the film, is merely dressing and applying makeup and wearing wigs and living as a woman.

I lived with an intergendered man for 10yrs. He was born with Klinefelter's Syndrome...essentially, he was born an XXY. Being an understanding friend at the time, I did extensive research on this syndrome...in fact, when we went to see his endrocronologist, I had more information than the doctor did.

The studies that I uncovered dealt mainly with the physiological aspects of this syndrome...& I could find little information on the psychological affects... Unfortunately, at the time he was born, there was little or no understanding of this syndrome...so, for most of his life, he was treated with ridicule...leading him to detest his female side...& in fact, most women...

I don't know how much this factors in with the transgendered identity...& I know for a fact that each case is individule...preventing a hard "definition"...but I'm wondering if the OP has had any tests done to see if there is a chromosonal reason for his transgendered identity?

You sure are capable with those words. I knew there was more to you than well....I just knew.

Denise, Im no Pro, but you are here on the boards and I only wish you well. Let me offer you a piece of my brain. Dont turn your situation into some kind of analysis or show. Better, enjoy yourself and your life as you see it. Go with your flow. Live. I sincerely hope you get lucky with what you want and are looking for.

The_man_pete would love the starter of this thread so would TBrich

i think i'm going to start drinking now captain and coke(soda)

Be nice you guys.