Okay, then lets assume you are right and God made mankind from the mud of the earth. Let's just say for a minute.. that this is a fact.

How did God do that?

Get down to the nitty gritty on a quantum level or even magick and tell me how you think God did that?

No matter how miraculous anything is, there has to be a method or means by which the thing was done. What was the technology that accomplished that feat... LOGICALLY. Remember, it MUST BE LOGICAL in order to make sense.

I'm serious about this question. You apparently require logic in order to make sense of information. Where is your logic in the story that God created mankind from the mud?

What does that mean to you? How did God do that?

Why does it have to be logical?

Maybe I missed a different thread? I personally don't think any religion is logical.

It has to be logical because the excuse given for not accepting the scientific theory of evolution was that it was not logical and did not make any sense.

So that means that if you believe in the creation story, that it must be logical in order to make sense.

Also, it is logical that however God did it, there has to have been a means and a way he could have done it. There has to be some sort of theory involved in how it was accomplished.

Was it a computer program? Was it nano-technology? Are we just a dream or part of God's imagination? Is god a supreme being or an alien? What is the nature of this God that created a man out of Mud and how did he do it?

Does anyone have any ideas that might be believable in even a science fiction sort of way?

your answer must be of a logical construction because you started offf the conversation assuming that the Creator is logical. What does that mean -- well it means that a creator must have a sufficient reason for doing some thing X. This thought originally comes from G Wilhelm Leibniz, and brought about the entire Enlightment. If you respond by saying just because .. or because of Gods Will (his will)-- then YOU have constructed (you have assumed) #1 a God that is whimisical, # 2 that the laws of Nature are not real laws that we humans can depend upon ... and #3 that God does not know the future because (it) must tinker here and there to get it right.

What are we? i believe the body is 95% water i believe at least. All the chemicals are in the dust of the earth. Ashes to ashes dust to dust.

Can you prove that is not all is needed for a human being. Since then those same components are just reproduced. Just the fact of how important water is to all life should say alot.

Scientists change thier mind constantly about the human body. One day this will hurt you 2 years later no this is good for you.

So science does not have a clue really. They have in the last 100 years learned by leaps and bounds but have one tell you how a mind works that has no real reason to them for it to work the way it does,

Women use one side of the brain men the other. Then they say 10% is all we use untill certain phenomon happens and the brain lights up like the few people who can see what others can't.

To say that the human body was not designed is just a 100th of saying a computer was not designed.

Any docter I have ever talked with has told me thier is no way impossible the human body was not designed. If that be the case thier had to be a designer that is way beyond our comprehension.. Blessings...Miles

This is NOT a discussion of whether or not there was a designer or a creator or whether or not we were 'designed.'

This thread assumes the premise that the biblical creation story of Adam from the mud is to be regarded as true.

Now, as a scientist, it is your job to figure out how a supreme being or deity accomplished this feat.

You may make up anything you want, just use your imagination.

See if you can make it sound logical enough for a science fiction story. See if you can make it sound reasonable, not mystical.

Anyone got any ideas?

Sounds messy.

How can you have something out of nothing. Can you come up with anything other than the German who come up with random therory?

Thats pretty scientific to say something is random.

You can not say we just came out of mud and make something up. That is impossible or you would be the greatest genious of all time.

It has not happened and never will. Or we would never die.

So to say we can not conclude thier was a designer and thats how it happened is ludicrious.

You can not find any respectable scientists that will say something as complex as the human body was not designed.

The game you are trying to play JB is useless..Shalom...MIles

Miles,

I will say this again. I am not arguing whether or not we were designed.

I believe we were.

I am asking this of people who believe that the Biblical account of the creation of Adam out of mud is true.

I am assuming the premise that this Biblical account is true.

I am asking someone to imagine HOW THIS WAS DONE. Or at the VERY LEAST interpret what that story means in a way that is logical and reasonable and makes sense.

Is this clear Miles?

Ok it is like i said a game.

So here is another one for you.Is thier anything at all that does not originate from the ground?

Not it is not a game Miles. I am inviting people to imagine a solution.

In answer to your question above, I don't know.

I assume you are referring to things on the surface of this earth.

I have seen documentaries of volcanic activity under the ocean where living organisms are spewed up from unknown places within the earth. Nobody seems to know where they came from but it has been suggested that the beginning of life came from there and was spewed into the sea.

I don't know if I would call that "earth" or not. It seems to be "water."

Does no one have any imagination?

How can you believe a thing that you cannot even imagine? I am not asking that you pretend to know HOW GOD DID IT.

I am just asking you to imagine how God might have done it. Imagine God doing it.

Or interpret the story so that it does make at least make sense.

If you can't do this then why do you ask people to believe this if you can't even imagine how this was accomplished?

The forming of man from the earth or from the mud, and breathing life into him... what does this mean exactly?

And how long did this take? Is it to be taken LITERALLY or does it mean something else?

Evangelists don't care whether anything makes sense. All they care about is proselytizing their religion.

It's a brainwashing scheme and they are victims of it.

All they know is that "Jesus Saves".

They don't even truly understand what he saves them FROM!

If they did, they'd realize that he's supposedly saving them from his OWN WRATH.

They have no clue how any of it can make any sense. They just don't want to chance being cast into the pits of hell so they've decided to accept the myth.

What's to lose?

There's no other competing myths that threaten them. That's the only threatening myth on the planet.

It's takes a truly innocent and well-meaning person to confidently realize that no genuine divine being would punish innocent people.

Therefore the vast majority of believers are probably suffering from some form of serious guilt complexes based on their own nasty behavior.

The first and foremost requirement is that a person believes that they've been naughty and not nice.

Otherwise what sense would it make to need to be saved?

It's not about believing in something that makes sense Jeannie. It's just a religion for people who have horrible guilt complexes and need to find salvation.

Some chruches have people stand up and give testimonies of how the Lord saved them. When you hear their testimony it's no wonder they have sought out a religion that offers forgiveness!

Religion is the only place where a really nasty person can stand up and confess a whole bunch of bad stuff and eveyone will hug them and serve them cookies and milk at the end of the service.

It's SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE Jeannie.

It truly has nothing to do with any God that was playing in the mud. That's just the façade for the social game.

It takes the same amount of faith to believe in God's creation as it does for the big bang. At least creationism gives a reason for creation. Big bang can't even be explained as why it happened. both paths wind up with man being formed from non-living material

This is not about the big bang or about how much so-called "faith"it takes to beleive in it. Not what I am looking for.

Neither am I concerned about any "reason" for creation.

The question is very specific here. If the story is true how did God do it?

Is the story true or not? If you say yes, then do you have any idea how this might have been accomplished or do you have any other interpretation of what the story of the creation of a man out of mud could mean?

If you can't or don't believe in evolution because it is not logical and does not make sense, then where is your logic for the creation of a man out of mud? Or a woman from his rib? What does this mean?

Does the Biblical story make sense? Is it logical? If so how? If so... how did it happen? How did God do it? I am just asking for wild theories and ideas, not facts.

If you are an intelligent or reasonable person with even a small amount of imagination, why can't you imagine how God might have accomplished this feat??? Where is your solution to this problem?

Or at the very least, tell me what this story is supposed to represent if it is not to be take literally?

If you can't do this one tiny thing, then there is no reason for me or you or anyone to believe any of it, thus rendering the entire Biblical account of creation moot and useless and meaningless.

This is a serious inquiry.

Abra,

Yes I know what 'religion' is all about and what the pay off for it is. But I was told by a Christian that evolution is not logical and did not make sense and so it was not to be considered as truth.

And yet, logic is not required for them to believe the stories in the Bible.

Okay I have given them the benefit of doubt here and started with the premise that the Bible is true and the story of creation is true.

Now I am only asking that they close their eyes and see if they can imagine the event and how it was actually accomplished in reality so that it makes sense to them.

If they can't do this then they are turning their backs on logic and reasoning and truth in favor of mythical or symbolic stories that they don't really understand.

Then they are demanding that they alone have the truth, and they are claiming to be insulted by anyone who questions their truth or looks elsewhere for solutions.

My only conclusion is that they DON'T REALLY WANT TRUTH.

Perhaps...



God made mud pies in different shapes?

but I have no idea how he got the life into them after.

I just gotta' ask...who cares how he did it and why?

im with ya on that one!