That's very obvious.

Its focus is salvation.

What exactly does that mean to you nubby?

It means I am forgiven, it means I have a relationship with God, it means life is not over when I die, it means Jesus is who He claimed to be, "there is no greater love than this, that a man would lay down his life for another man", it means God loves me.

A person is forgiven when they can forgive themselves and that is when they will change and become a new person. If you believe that God forgives you no matter what it will lift a great burden off of your mind and soul and perhaps then you can also forgive yourself.

I forgive myself for my imperfections and ignorance and when I learn a new lesson in life I am a changed person. I can feel my eternal soul within me and I know I am eternal and that the death of this body is not the end of the true being that I am.

Throughout time men and women have given their lives unselfishly for others in times of war and other emergencies. This indeed is the greatest love of all because most of them are not certain if there is any life after death. It means we love each other, we have a connection to each other.

I have all of this thing you call "salvation" without the need for belief in someone named Jesus who some claims is God or the son of God.

To me, "God made flesh" is a broad term that means that all of mankind is an expression and manifestation of that which we call GOD.

We are flesh. We love each other. We give our lives for each other. We forgive each other. That is salvation to me.

Salvation is Love and forgiveness. Salvation is living the path of love. I believe we are saved when we realize our divine nature and begin to live as who we truly are. Divine beings.

THere are many good scientist who take the bible seriously consider John Polkinghorn, close colleague of Stephen Hawking, he himself is a believer in Jesus Christ.

"He was born in Weston-super-Mare and was educated initially in Street and then at The Perse School, Cambridge, where his contemporaries included Peter Hall.[1] Following National Service in the Royal Army Educational Corps from 1948 to 1949, John Polkinghorne read Mathematics at Trinity College, Cambridge (alongside Michael Atiyah), graduated in 1952[2] and then earned his PhD degree in physics in 1955, supervised by Abdus Salam in the group led by Paul Dirac[3]. In 1955 he married Ruth Martin (d. 2006 [4]), a fellow mathematician, and went to CalTech as a Harkness Fellow to work with Murray Gell-Mann. After 2 years as a Lecturer at the University of Edinburgh he returned to Cambridge in 1958, and in 1968 was elected Professor of Mathematical Physics. His students included Brian Josephson and Martin Rees.[5]
For 25 years, Polkinghorne was a theoretical physicist working on theories of elementary particles and played a significant role in the discovery of the quark.[6] From 1968 to 1979 he was Professor of Mathematical Physics at Cambridge University, and he was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS) in 1974. He was Chairman of the Governors of The Perse School from 1972 to 1981."

I respect your beliefs, though I disagree.

How 'bout the possibility that there have been about 6000 years of recorded man (humans as we know them)? All of the some-odd 4.5 Billion years of movement that led up to man have been measured on a time-scale that we, in "real" time, only know from our "earthly" perspective.

Doesn't the bible chronicle age-spans that vary from only a few to thousands of "years"? What "exact" biblical time-scale can anyone actually verify?

Dunno.

This possibility may suggest that none of what anyone has actually been saying has been a crock.

Uh-oh! That would suggest no need for argument.

Ha Ha!

I didnt say it, so dont expect me to back it up.


There is a large and growing number of respected scientists who (unlike Richard Dawkins and friends) freely acknowledge the limits of the scientific method, and who are open to exploring the possibility of a more positive relationship between science and religion. In fact, there are large numbers of influential scientists, some Nobel Prize winners, who are Christians.


One such scientist is Stephen Barr, a theoretical particle physicist at the Bartol Research Institute of the University of Delaware. He writes,

What many take to be a conflict between religion and science is really something else. It is a conflict between religion and materialism. Materialism is regarded as scientific, and indeed it is often called “scientific materialism,” even by its proponents, yet there are no legitimate reasons for considering it scientific. It is rather a school of philosophy, one defined by the belief that nothing exists except matter. However, there is more to materialism than this cold ontological negation. For many, scientific materialism is not a bloodless philosophy, but a passionately held ideology. Indeed, it is the ideology of a great part of the scientific world. Its adherents see science as having a mission that goes beyond the mere investigation of nature and the discovery of physical laws. That mission is to free mankind from superstition in all its forms, and especially in the form of religious belief.[iv]

Beware of the sound of one hand clapping.

Science is about what can be known, as soon as something is determinable it is within the realm of science until then it is not.

Religion could never be apart of science unless supposed gods could be understood by science.

Your two assertions that some religious scientists admit that there are limits to science, and that science and religion can mix are contradictory statements.

Which is it, can science know god, or is science and the super natural exclusive non-overlapping magisteria?

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Does it seem possible that Stephen Hawking could be moving in this direction?

Stephen hawking is no more a theist then Albert Einstein was a theist.









If this is your religion I have no problem . . .

I dont believe we will ever be able to prove Gods existence through science.

Well if your right then science and religion will never overlap.

Ben Stein does not agree. He thinks that intelligent design and bringing religion into the acceptance of science can bring about proof of god.

I could be wrong, I have watched the video, I think the intelligence Ben Stein is talking about is any intelligence.

I am posting this for fun, I find it incredible


"I remember my professor of quantum physics at Cambridge University, Dr. John Polkinghorne, talking to us one day. (And his book, One World, is a marvelous exposition of his fascination with the created order.) He said, “Ladies and gentlemen, if you were to analyze just one contingency in the early picoseconds of the universe”—a picosecond is how long it takes the speed of something moving at the speed of light to traverse the breadth of a single strain of hair—he said, “If you look at the early picoseconds of this universe and analyze just one contingent, the expansion and relation to the contraction, do you know how precise that had to be?” He said, “It would be like taking aim at a one-square-inch object at the other end of the universe twenty billion light years away and hitting it bull’s eye.” And then he looked at us with typical English anticlimax and said, “Gentlemen, there’s no free lunch. Somebody has to pay.”

we already have???

science now believes as well, as HAWKINGS and most within that spectrum agree it all began from one speck???

how is this not the same as text say???

is it but misperception that text say the earth be only 6000 years old, as it say god is without beginning and ending, and IS ALL THINGS CREATED, so all things created have no beginning and no ending except from the shoes that stand on ground alone???

it only say, god REST on the SEVENTH day, not stop???

it is back to more evolving after the beginning of the eight, or monday, just like man, back to work on monday???

how is it proposed man got all these ideas to set up life as it is known???

text say all life IS IMMORTAL, AND LIFE IN EACH REALM HIGHER is a DIRECT IMAGE OF HERE, EXCEPT MINUS ALL THE NEGATIVE EVER FELT BY ANY MORTAL HERE???

it also say, that each realm will have it's pain and glory, and that as man climb the ladder of each realm, he is afforded more power, until learning to handle all infinite power to create anything by simply speaking it???

it say only mortal experience afford this sharpening of the wit, and open the eyes to greater knowing, of what is good to create and not good to create, as of course, a needed knowing before the kid gets the keys to the new land rover.........

text also say it has produced more peoples thru the womb of earth as seas of peoples that none can count, so it is perfectly clear that a few things have as been "shaded from the sight of man".........

That is given that for the spacetime geometry to be flat it would be near a factor of 1.

There are many theories for why the space would be flat, but that is also to say that space has to be flat which is not correct.

We could live in a world where space was less flat. The margin is not large. Perhaps that is the point?

I do not have direct quotes, but there are theories that state as space cooled, and symmetry breaking occurs the space time would flatten over time, naturally reaching an equilibrium.

Again many hypothesis and some theories I have heard of, I a not really a cosmologist student however. Just a curious mind.

Perhaps Abra can help us.

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