so to believe in somethign makes you desperate?

People in genral regardless of faith or religion admire virtue, sacrifice, kindness and generousity. They also tend to devote themselves to symbols, be them human or diety becuase they embody qualities they admire and wish to aspire towards. That is my thought on it.

I guess that all depends on what you believe in and why you believe in it.

I'd say that to believe in a horror story that flies in the face of reason and observations of the real world just to avoid having to believe in atheism would be a desperate call. Yes.

Especially when there are better pictures of spirtuality avaliable.

Did you even consider the details I brought up? Or did you just jump to a conclusion without asking the deep questions?

I think that's a bit part of my point.

Far too many people just jump to what appears to be the only conclusion when, in fact, they haven't even considered all of the options.

Have you considered the pantheistic view?

Just curious.

If you have and you rejected it I'd be interested in hearing why you felt it was less credible than the biblical picture.

When it comes to the truth, people for the most part seem gullible and want someone else to tell them what is right and how to live. Instead of using the brain part of us, our inherit emphathy and problem solving capability, we choose to allow others to dictate to us what is right and wrong.

I am not talking about the laws of the land, I am referring to our personal growth and spiritual intuity.

Why is that? Are we really sheeple? Are we afraid of individuality? Strength in numbers is the only way to go?

Religion would not be a bad thing if it was not making some people superior to others because of their claim to the religion, if it did not ostracize certain groups or types of people because of it's doctrines, if it did not give everyone a free pass to judge others without personal responsibility for doing it, if it did not give people a free pass on personal responsibility by giving them a patsy (devil) for their own hurtful behavior, etc....

Yes James there is a great deal of evidence that points to that. Gerald Massey discovered nearly two hundred instances of immediate correspondence between the mythical Egyptian material and the allegedly historical Christian writings about Jesus. Horus indeed was the archetypal Pagan Christ. There is no doubt in my mind about it.



Isis with Horus. Isis parallels the Virgin Mary also.

They force god on them in prison. Not only the inmates but their families and wives or girlfriends when they come to visit. They give them extra privileges if they convert. They make them go to chapel and a minister will "counsel" them when they have visits. They have to sit through all of it or they won’t get their visitor.

I think it was more Adonis/Attis as they were more eastern however there is the argument for Dionysus, esp since after Alexander conquered the area, there was mainly greek culture. Ergo, your new testament is origianlly in greek not aramic.

Recently the daughter of my next door neighbor wanted to have her baby baptized, and the preacher said that she had to attend bible classes and become a catholic herself, which she reluctantly agreed to. I was horrified by that and I was brought up catholic, don't remember that being a requirement. How pushy can they get.

I have enough of a problem with an infant being baptized against their will. She never actually attented the classes after the baptism, so she's probably going to hell according to that church.. lol

Yeah I am against anyone being told they have to do something and especially when it comes to religion. That should be a personal choice and not a "do this so you can have this." People should not be converted at all in my opinion but especially not in exchange for things.

But g-d told me that you need to give me a thousand dollar seed faith offering or you will never have your dreams come true

Right. You need to pay for your salvation. Luckily they take personal check or charge. After all, they are saving your soul.

Praise God

Moved... see below.

Again have you ever been to a prison to see this Krisma. Well I do go to the Women's Prison in Chino. Extra privileges if they convert, NO anyone minister to them or counsel them NO Stop them from having visitors in any way....NO When I go and visit that is what it is...I don't shove anything down anyone's throat.....If anything they start and ask me. Does this mean anything for the gals in how their treated or privileges for talking to me....NO

I found this post a bit interesting. I may be mistaken but it sounds like the "seeking fulfillment without commitment" issue that a lot of people suffer from. Usually do to a fear of commitment because of something that has happened in their past.

I'm just asking you to elaborate a bit on what you said because it is sounds like you don't believe that anyone should give solution-based advice. I realize you said "especially when it comes to religion" but the same can be applied to just about anything else.

For example, applying what you said to a struggling alcoholic, you could argue that an alcoholic shouldn't be told that they have to do something. That it is their personal choice to be an alcoholic and not a "do this so you cannot suffer from alcoholism". They should just be left alone and not converted at all but especially not in exchange for freedom from alcoholism.

I would like to elaborate that I do not think that anyone should be forceful in any attempt to provide advice to someone as to how to live a healthier or more productive lifestyle. Each person much make the decision on their own to seek that out. However, there is also nothing wrong with offering help when you see someone struggling.

I'm sure that you hadn't thought of it that way. Not trying to rock the boat or be argumentative. Just giving you something to consider.

"Why are people so desperate to support a picture of an angry jealous male chauvinistic God "

I don't know a God like that.

I wonder why some people are so desperate as to make the God of the bible seem that way.

Maybe because its written there in black and white. Just a guess.

Feral yes, I do have personal experience with this. I have seen it first hand.

You can tell a person struggling with an addiction of ANY description that they should go get themselves some help. You can even physically force them if you are so inclined. Will that cause them to magically become accepting of counseling and open to recovery? Nope. What it will cause nine times out of ten is for them to resent you, reject treatment and continue down their current path of destruction.

I believe that a person can not receive help until they want help. For one thing, they will not open themselves up to receiving assistance until they have decided its time. It is a decision that only they can make. Sadly, some never make that choice because the drugs and or alcohol are too important to them or they are physically or mentally impaired from chronic abuse. They would rather just kill themselves. There is nothing you or I can do about that because that is their choice and their right.

No I didn’t take your comment as argumentative. I’m not THAT mean.