It is people like you who multiply rumors. Barack Obama is the president of the United States.

Get used to it. Get over it. Get on with it.

If there is a "military coup" it won't be on the basis of the president being "illegitimate." It would probably be on the basis of some people not liking his race, rather it be black or Muslim or what ever.



For a larger image go here:

http://www.bacaracka.com/400/certificate2.jpg

Who gave you an idea that Obama might not be liked due to his race or religion? You're suggesting something that wasn't raised by anybody. May-be you're racist, if this is the best you can think of?

The question discussed here is whether he is naturally born US citizen or not. You're so 1950...

OMG this is the biggest bullsh*t i have ever read.
Amazing what racism can do.

From your link:



This form is a generated paper. It is generated on request. It is generated from whatever the data is being held, or from whatever the date is there at the moment.

This is not a proof that the date was there all this time. This is, and I agree, a proof that at the moment of printing, the printed data was supplied to the printer.

I hope, I am making myself clear here. The original paper, filed out back in the year of birth, could put all of the rumors down. Because, then, we would be limited to the opinion of available forensic experts.

This document, so called short form, is simply a print out. Anyone having access to the paper stock and printer, can supply the data and have a similar document produced saying for instance, that the birthplace was actually Washington D.C.

Obviously, and rightfully so, such a copy on demand would and should be considered sufficient for majority of purposes of a lesser degree of importance.

But to put down the rumors of illegibility, I think, an original (old and yellow) paper needs to be shown.

How complicated is that?

This very website you reference, list not one soul who have seen the original long form. Why?

The Hawaiian office refuses to show the original. What is the big deal?

Chiyome Fukino, allegedly have seen the original certificate. It is not clear if this person refers to the long form (old and yellow) or the short form copy. Again,why no show the original time-stained paper and finish with this ridiculous affair?

Obama is the President. Get over it. Stop kicking and screaming and crying. The issue of his birth has been settled. What is your problem?

You are imagining problems that don't exist and worrying about things that are not going to happen.. geeeeze..

Trust me, if there was any shred of doubt in the powers that be's minds regarding his citizenship, he would never have been allowed to run for office, much less take the oath yesterday. Ain't gonna happen, not in DC, there's always someone just waiting for an opportunity to take someone down. He is silent on the issue because it's a NON-ISSUE, always has been, always will be. If some crazy nutjob walked up to you on the street and asked you to prove your citizenship, would you bother to respond? Doubtful.

Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter
By Amy Hollyfield
Published on Friday, June 27th, 2008 at 05:21 p.m.



SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.
It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.

"As a concerned citizen, I'm wondering if there isn't something fishy going on with the Obama certificate."

"I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate' you were sent."

"Something doesn't smell right."

Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.

"You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!"

At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.

And you can't help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they're being tricked?


• • •
Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.


As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver's license record from the Illinois Secretary of State's office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.

Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."

The ultimate document we sought was Obama's birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.

On June 13, 2008, Obama's campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won't go away: He's Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Then the firestorm started.

• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar's signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn't the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document "June 2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There's no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It's clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.


• • •
At PolitiFact.com, we're all about original sources. We don't take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it's identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate's authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.


• • •
Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.

He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB's investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.

"We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy," Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. "And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons."

Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.

"I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors," Goelz said. "We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event."

Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.

"Online, they can be almost anything," he said. "They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be."


• • •
The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama's birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

"I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature," Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. "Because they scanned the front … you wouldn't see those things."

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? "When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it."

Still, she acknowledges: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."


• • •
And there's the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.

And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

It's also here,
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Listen up, people. If his mother was a citizen, she could have given birth to him on Jupiter, or Moscow, and he'd be an American citizen as well.

per the US Gov't: Acquired Citizenship

Citizenship conferred at birth on children born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent(s).

I was under the impression that to be the president you still had to be born on American soil regardless. I could be wrong.

Was his mother an American citizen at the time he was born?

Even if Obama isn't an American citizen, trying to remove him from office would cause a civil war. Let's just drop it. The Union is more important than a law on who can be president.

Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Ann Dunham, a white American from Wichita, Kansas of predominately English descent. Obama's father was Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya.

Your papers please?

This is a non-issue...if people are not going to accept the certification of the State of Hawaii, the rulings of the federal appellate courts and the dismissal of the appeal by the SCOTUS then they aren't going to listen to anyone.

Honestly, it's my bet that the joker running this site is lining his own pockets courtesy of every racist paranoid Obama hater he can find.

So I say donate!!

If you are stupid enough to lighten your wallet and hand over your money to a guy on the internet who set up a site like this...well please do. He is likely laughing at you too.

What does your own posts say about the republican party?? Come on!!! If it had any merit dont you think all of the ranking republicans would have been heard screaming by now. They were getting beat bad in the election and would have pull out anything they could to derail it! Look at the smear campain against Obama! What does your own words say about the Repubican party!!!

Sorry qouted the wrong one but you get the picture!

You folks are just carriers of someone else's message. You post a lot, but all your posts are B.S. You have sent me to read websites. I have done that, fearing I might have missed something. Still, none of the sites show the original. Have you actually read those sites yourselves? All of the sites testify against your point, even if they appear to testify for it.

Because they all acknowledge one thing: they say "we did not witness the original certificate, all we saw was a copy with a raised seal issued in 2007"

Show the smoking gun. Show the original certificate of birth.

Show yours...

Do you understand how these records are stored, organized, maintained and issued?

Nope, you do not have to be born on American soil (though in this case, Obama was, after all Hawaii is a state), you just have to be born of American citizens. And yes, his mother was and still is an American citizen.

It should be mentioned that you can become a citizen if you are born on American soil and your parents are not citizens as well.

This issue is part of the immigration debate as well.

Were I pregnant and on a trip to Cuba where I delivered the child the child would still be an American citizen by virtue of my citizenship.

Yes, this is quite true. And said child would also have the citizenship of his/her parents' country. However, I don't believe (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that an American can hold dual citizenship. If said child, upon reaching adulthood, chooses citizenship in parents' country, then he/she loses their citizenship here.