The whole concept of a divorce to me would indicate some kind of marriage, perhaps out of political need?

If so analyze the motives to have such a union EVER. I cannot and do not think political unions are ever for the sake of the people its always a play for authority, in politics it can never be else wise.

All I read in this article was someone attempting to CYA their perceived organizing democratic politic rhetoric. A feeble attempt to distance yourself from the current administration.

I think its time people dropped the affiliations and examined the world from there individual view points and don't spout rhetoric.

Too many labels get thrown around to ever really talk about real issues that effect real people.

The person who sent that piece to a newspaper in should be ashamed as should be the editors of the paper!

It's a bad rewrite of an old piece borrowing heavily from a piece that has been circulating for at least thirty years.

A stolen piece that is asinine, badly re-written, small minded and only marginally entertaining.

The issue with your analogy is that it presupposes that the situation that the person who needs help is in was created by there lack of effort.

My mother worked for 40 years and has put money into this government and SS, and she is dying, she has no insurance and for me to cover her at this time would cost crazy money that I even working 50 hrs a week at a good paying job cannot afford to give her.

She worked her ass off and is probably going to die before SS even kicks in . . . . yea life is not fair, that is for sure. Its too bad we are not Canadian citizens.

Life is worth it. I will gladly pay for someone to live to see there grand children. If Obama cannot get this system in place in time to save my mother, maybe someone else's mother will get to see there grand children.

This doesn't even address the valid argument that a healthy society will actually be more productive.

My father was dying of cancer and he had a really hard time trying to get his SS. He finally got approved and they sent his first and only payment the day AFTER he died. He was one year shy of retirement age.

I am sorry to hear that.

I've been looking for a "story" I heard on the radio a while back. I can't recall it verbatum and haven't been able to find a source for it online yet. It goes along theses lines though and believe this would it a nice addition to this thread.

A liberal college girl comes home on break and is having a conversation with her conservative dad. She was carrying on about all the inequalities of life and how we should all give more. The dad patiently listens. He changes the topic and asks about her grades. She beams with pride while conveying having received all "A's". He asks if everyone in the class is getting high marks as well. She starts complaining that her lab partner or one of her classmates never studies, is never prepared, wants to party all the time, and is failing the class. The father replies "if life is unfair and we should all give more", he suggests that she should donate part of her grade to the failing student to help her out. Her reply was to the effect of "Why should I? I earned that grade".

The issue with your analogy is that it presupposes that the situation that the person who needs help is in was created by there lack of effort.

My mother worked for 40 years and has put money into this government and SS, and she is dying, she has no insurance and for me to cover her at this time would cost crazy money that I even working 50 hrs a week at a good paying job cannot afford to give her.

She worked her ass off and is probably going to die before SS even kicks in . . . . yea life is not fair, that is for sure. Its too bad we are not Canadian citizens.

Life is worth it. I will gladly pay for someone to live to see there grand children. If Obama cannot get this system in place in time to save my mother, maybe someone else's mother will get to see there grand children.

This doesn't even address the valid argument that a healthy society will actually be more productive.

My father was dying of cancer and he had a really hard time trying to get his SS. He finally got approved and they sent his first and only payment the day AFTER he died. He was one year shy of retirement age.

What a perfect example of the false left/right... and all the standard bearers chimed in.

For the record, there was never a marriage, the Republicrats have shown themselves to be the worst sort of Siamese twins.

Mainstream Dem/Rep politics is like observing a Mob Boss card game. Arguing, threats and occasionally someone gets shot, but watch out for the moment that an outside force tries to disrupt the cardgame.

The below comment appeared in a local newspaper comments section in regards to an editor's "Our View" opinion piece ("Our View: George W. Bush's legacy, for better and (mostly) worse") earlier today.

http://www.pjstar.com/opinions/x1881638821/Our-View-George-W-Bushs-legacy-for-better-and-mostly-worse - the article itself.

I don't know if the poster/commentor was the original creator of this letter or not; However, aside from reflecting many of my own personal views... this really put things into perspective.



"Sorry but I just couldn't resist, But I am gamed if you guys are???

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists, Obama supporters, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile, slate it up to irreconcilable differences, and go our own ways.

Here is a model dissolution agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the
difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. To wit:

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are also welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.

Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell and The View (you are however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move them).

We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies, and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan Hockey Moms, greedy CEO's, and Rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .

You can make nice with Iran, Palestine, and France, and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protestors. When our allies or way of life are under assault, we'll provide them job security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian Values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, and Shirley McClain. You can have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru Station Wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare, if you can find any practicing Doctors (that is... practicing, Howard Dean) who will follow to your turf . We'll continue to believe healthcare is a privilege and not a right.

We'll keep 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic' and 'The National Anthem.' I'm sure you'll be happy to
substitute 'Imagine', 'I'd Like to Teach The World To Sing', 'Kum Ba Ya', or 'We Are the World.'

We'll practice trickle down economics, and you can give trickle up poverty its best shot.

Since it often so offends you we'll keep our History, our Name, and our Flag.

Would you agree to this? We think it is certainly fair and equitable.

In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you all of ANWR on 'Who will need whose help in 15 years'.

Sincerely,

P.S. Please take Barbra Streisand, too."

Thanks, but I'm more sorry that what gets taken out of our paychecks is harder to get when you REALLY need it. I hope your mom gets things worked out.

I'm so sorry about your mom.

What is preventing you from taking your mother in, taking care of her, helping her?

I want a divorce from the prejudice conservatives and Neo cons too so does that make us even?

Oh lets see, I am paying her rent, I pay for my retarded brother's issue with the law, which are really just the law taking advantage of a mentally handicapped kid, and this is half my paycheck.

Then I either commute 150 miles a day to go to work or I live close to work and pay two sets of rent . . . .

I pay taxes as a single man . . . but pay for other people, but becuase we are not in the same house,a nd dont have the same residence . . .

Have you seen the cost of insuring a not so healthy 63 year old woman who smokes and cant quit?

Have you been to a hospital lately? Have you seen the cost?

This doesn't even come close to answering your question.

I owe the hospitals thousands of dollars from an accident I got into in February, guess what the other drivers insurance company is doing everything they can to limit, and draw out the length of time for a settlement, the collection agencies don't care . . . .

I don't think you have a clue what some people go through in life and how hard it is to pay the taxes and see nothing for it. (short of roads to drive to work)


You know 10 years ago before life happened!! I had the same outlook as you do . . . I have been a strong conservative, who spouted the same trash. I even voted for good ole bush twice!

Family should help, sure lol, my dad has money, he sold our house sent my mom to live in a trailer that is falling apart and wouldn't spend a dime the government doesn't make him to help.

Its completely pie in the sky the comments you have made when placed against some people situations lol. Before you start offering me advice trust me when I say that I have not told you half of the issues that effect my life and the choices I make.

Sure you can say well why is any of this YOUR problem, why should the government help. Guess what strong people that CAN get through this kind of situation with a little help ARE the backbone of this country!

Without a little help sometimes those people dont make it. 10 years from now without a little help maybe someone like me but without a good paying job would be dead or sleeping in the streets (without me my brother and mom would be dead or sleeping in the streets that is FACT). Maybe with a little help they may have raised the next generation of strong willed people to actually make up the difference.

Its the same idea as a loan, you don't give people money, you loan to them, expect medical care is not money, it life. The person who gets to keep life can pay it back by working hard and paying taxes for years to come where as dead people don't pay taxes.

Already my mom has spent YEARS without medical aid, and could have been productive if she was insured. You get sick lose your job loose your benefits and with no one there to help you never get better to get back out there to contribute.

Seems to make plenty of good sense to me, but I guess it takes a little perspective.


AND this was the only issue that mattered enough to me to get my vote for Barrack Obama.

In the arena in regards to politics to republicans/democrats I would completely agree with you in there being no significant difference. The "divorce" lies in the differences of core beliefs. Recently (I would say as far back as the end of Johnson administration) liberals have sided with democrats, conservatives republicans (starting with Nixon and the silent majority). At one time republicans were considered todays version of liberals. If you persuse history, it was democrats who supported slavery and against civil rights legislation (Al Gore, Sr. among them). The roles used to reverse every so often. JFK's speeches on economic/fiscal matters, could easily pass for todays conservative views.

I firmly believe the cultural divide to vast for any meaningful reconcilliation, too little in common to build upon. Realists understand they can't/shouldn't depend or rely on their government for anything... especially social security, the biggest ponzi scheme ever perpetrated.

What did people do before there was SS? They worked until they couldn't anymore, family and friends took care of family and friends. I believe the social welfare entitlement programs have destroyed the family anyway... government assuming the role of mother, father, caregiver. What is preventing you from taking your mother in, taking care of her, helping her?

Winx- "Many people work hard and even harder then that straight A girl. They many never see those A's no matter how hard they try. Should they starve or not get medical care because of that? NO"

I submit neither one of knows what a person is capable of if allowed to sink or swim on their own merits (genetic /physical handicaps aside). I'm curious to know at what point to you assign personal responsibility for allowing people to fend for themselves?

I recall a "rest of the story" Paul Harvey radio program. (my paraphrased recollection) A widower left his two children (one I believe was 12 year old boy the other younger and a girl) at home alone for two years on the family farm in KY to go out and look for a wife. Basically abandoning them. They had no electricity or telephone to call for help in case of an emergency. I don't recall if they were able or did attend school. (my insert) I suppose they faced many hardships like cold winters, potential starvation, medical emergencies, anything you can imagine). Two years later the father returns (I don't recall if he found a wife or not). The now 14 year old boy and his sister were fine. That boy turned out to be the 16th president of the US... Abraham Lincoln.

Take away a kids X-box or cell phone today, you run the risk of having DCFS being called... let alone leaving them to fend for themselves for more than a day.