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Yeah it was published in "Popular Mechanics" of all places. Who knows how accurate it is but I would think much more than those 6 foot tall, blond, blue eye Christmas cards.  However, you seem to forget the fact that just like Hercules, Jesus was half god, half mortal... So, he might have towered over everyone else in his town. He coulda been seven feet tall even, for all we know!!! Well we can’t rule that possibility out I guess either. He might have been half man and half wild beast. He could have had laser beams that shot out of his eye sockets. Maybe he was an X-Man. |
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Yeah it was published in "Popular Mechanics" of all places. Who knows how accurate it is but I would think much more than those 6 foot tall, blond, blue eye Christmas cards. Ya, I grew up with that blue eyed jesus on the wall. Later I thought if he was from the middle east how did he get so white, and the blue eyes? hmmmm But even later I was in the home of a black family and they had a black Jesus on the wall. By that time I was pretty much over the whole thing. |
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Common sense would dictate that he was a Jew. He was a Jew or half Italian and half Jewish if Mary was raped. So I still think that depiction is pretty accurate. Short, olive complected dark eyes and beard.
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Common sense would dictate that he was a Jew. He was a Jew or half Italian and half Jewish if Mary was raped. So I still think that depiction is pretty accurate. Short, olive complected dark eyes and beard. Yeah, I don't think Mary was raped though. I think she was a prostitute. got knocked up by one of her tricks. And of course, back then, she would have gotten stoned to death for having pre-marital sex or for getting knocked up without a husband... So, Joseph, her favorite "John" claimed responsibility and married Mary to save her life! And that's what happened! Of course, later on, the story tellers, the ones responsible for all the B.S. in the Bible, decided that it wasn't Mary that was a prostitute, it was a different Mary, Mary's friend Mary who was a hoe! Yeah, same story tellers who turned Jesus into a half god/half mortal Hercules lookin' Jewish zombie! Yay! |
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You aren’t that far off really. It’s debatable. She might have had consensual sex with a secret lover. That’s a possibility. Either way, yep, they would have stoned her to death for having pre-marital relations. I think she was a young, terrified girl, got knocked up, was already betrothed to Joseph, who was an older man comparatively and she might have told him if she trusted him enough. Then the two of them just conspired to create this fabulous story to cover the fact that she not a virgin.
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Yeah, and 2,000 years later, we're still being punished by their tall tales of fantasy and magic.
Real sad... I really believe that as a society, we're not going to evolve much more mentally, or advance in science and technology, until we rid ourselves of this social mental illness called religion. Hallelujah! |
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Edited by
voileazur
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Renowned scientist Albert Einstein dismissed the Bible as a collection of “pretty childish” legends and belief in God as a “product of human weaknesses,” according to a letter to be auctioned this week. Einstein, who was Jewish, also rejects the notion that Jews were God’s chosen people. The letter was written in German in 1954 to philosopher Eric Gutkind. It is to be auctioned in London, England, on Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions, and is expected to fetch between $12,000 and $16,000 US. Einstein writes "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Born to a Jewish family in Germany in 1879, he also adds that "for me, the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." He also wrote "the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. “As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them." Einstein 'rather quirky about religion': expert Many have speculated about the religious or spiritual beliefs of the Nobel Prize-winning physicist, whose theory of relativity revolutionized the study of physics. Some have pointed to Einstein’s quote that God "does not play dice" with the universe (his rejection of the randomness of the universe) as proof of his belief in a higher being. Others have said that the quote does not advocate a belief in God and have referred to other letters written by Einstein. "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly,” he wrote in another letter in 1954. "If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." John Brooke, professor emeritus of science and religion at Oxford University, told the Associated Press that the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either. "Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," Brooke said Brooke said Einstein believed "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view." Bloomsbury spokesman Richard Caton said the auction house was "100 per cent certain" of the letter's authenticity. It is being offered at auction for the first time by a private vendor. Krimsa, I just had to share a couple of recent insights about fundamentalists whom seem to be driven to severe delusion, and perpetrate devastating acts of deceit. We all know the amazingly deceitful and grossly false apologetic '#32201955884328984053-h' response, ... better known as: 'DENY, DENY, DENY!!! ... the so public and extensively documented FACT that HITLER WAS A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, RIGHT THROUGH TO HIS DEATH. Well, guess what!!! There is this just as amazingly deceitful and grossly delusional apologetic '#322019558843228984053-E' response, ... better known as : ... CLAIM, CLAIM, CLAIM!!! ... The SO PUBLIC NON-CHRISTIAN EINSTEIN, as an INTELLIGENT DESIGN SUPPORTER!!! Don't tell Abra, is going to flip!!! But can you fathom this Krimsa!?!?! Eisntein evokes a 'personal belief' in some sort of undefinable, mystifying 'intelligence' at work, ... and these deceptive fundamentalist-apologetists push response #'#322019558843228984053-E' on the world!!! I read this claim on these forums, right here Krimsa!!! What's next Krimsa!?!?! Will those fundamentalist-deceit-driven apologists invent some delusiaonal claim that Einstein sought to have every single copies of Darwin's 'On the Origins of Species' burned at a stellar bornfire hosted by 'DR' Kent Hovind, Ph.D.' (as he likes to named), in the backyard of the creationism famous PATRIOT BIBLE UNIVERSITY??? (Einstein and Hovind-PBU, anachronistic you say??? Fundamentalists do not bother with such trivial details) Have they no integrity?!?!?! Have they no PRIDE!?!?! Whether we believe or not, I think we should pray for them, and, while we're at it, ... ASK FOR THE END OF DECEIT NOW!!! |
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You aren’t that far off really. It’s debatable. She might have had consensual sex with a secret lover. That’s a possibility. Either way, yep, they would have stoned her to death for having pre-marital relations. I think she was a young, terrified girl, got knocked up, was already betrothed to Joseph, who was an older man comparatively and she might have told him if she trusted him enough. Then the two of them just conspired to create this fabulous story to cover the fact that she not a virgin. I doubt very much that either Mary or Joseph ever suggested to anyone that Mary was a virgin. In fact, I see no reason to not believe that Jesus was indeed the son of Joseph. Where in the Bible does it claim that either Mary or Joseph personally told anyone that Mary was a virgin? I think that was all demagoguery added later to try to make like Jesus was the miraculous Son of the God of Abraham. I've often thought about this. If with God all things are possible then why even bother with having his son born of a human female at all? If God is truly "almighty" and can do anything he so desires, then why not just create a body for Jesus from the dust of the earth Just like he supposedly did for Adam, and just have Jesus appear out of the desert at 30 years old? Why have him born of a virgin human female and have to grow up. What part of the plan would that serve? Clearly he was totally missing from the time he was 12 until he was 30 anyway so the whole childhood thing would have been a waste of time. I think the whole story is so lame that it couldn't have possibly come from an all-wise, all-powerful God. It's clear that the whole thing was just made up demagoguery. It's ridiculous. Moreover, the very idea that some supposedly all-wise truely divine God would just sit back and laugh at humanity as they become TOTALLY CONFUSED about the whole thing would only prove that God is truly sadistic! If the Biblical God is true we'd be FAR BETTER OFF with no God at all. We'd be FAR BETTER OFF if Atheism were true! The Biblical God is not wise at all. On the contrary he would be a horrible creature. |
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Abracadabra,
What you mean IF atheism was true? And yeah, the Biblical "vengeful and jealous" god is a joke! |
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You are probably right James. Also what do you think about that "almah" problem in the bible? Mary is referred to as Almah which in Hebrew only means "young female" which is what she was. Probably a teenager. The Hebrew word for virgin is "betula". Mary was NEVER referred to as betula.
That was another reason why the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah. Mistranslations of words. The Jews also clung to the rape suspicion. |
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Abracadabra, What you mean IF atheism was true? And yeah, the Biblical "vengeful and jealous" god is a joke! Nobody knows whether atheism is true. Pantheism may very well be the true nature of reality. We simply don't know and have no way of knowing. Thus far science cannot rule out pantheism, and up to this point it is in perfect harmony with it. So atheism is far from proven. I've been a scientist all my life and there is nothing in science that conflicts with pantheism. Moreover, science is far from complete, there is a LOT that science doesn't not yet understand. However, I'll agree that the biblical picture of God is dead in the water. It can't possible be true just based on it's own stories. It has shot itself in it's own foot repeatedly. We don't need science to denounce the Biblical picture of God. The Bible denounces itself on its own. And atheism does not equate to just not believing in the Bible. Atheism means to not believe in a spiritual essence of reality. And thus far, there is no scientific evidence that spirit does not exist. In fact, there is indeed "observational" evidence that it very well may exist. The placebo effect of sugar pills is a well-documented and thus a "scientific" fact. This shows that the power of the mind to heal the body is real. Thought can affect matter. Mind can affect manifestation. As far as I'm concerned that's spirit.  |
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You are probably right James. Also what do you think about that "almah" problem in the bible? Mary is referred to as Almah which in Hebrew only means "young female" which is what she was. Probably a teenager. The Hebrew word for virgin is "betula". Mary was NEVER referred to as betula. That was another reason why the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah. Mistranslations of words. The Jews also clung to the rape suspicion. Well, not only that, but just look at the whole "Christian story" from a bird's-eye view. If to reject Jesus is to reject God, then the Jews are supposedly rejecting God by rejecting Jesus. But clearly the Jews don't BELIEVE that they are rejecting God! The same thing goes for the Muslims. The Muslims don't believe that they are rejecting God either! So where does the FREE WILL come into play? How can these people who BELIEVE that they are serving God be rejecting God when they don't even KNOW they are rejecting God? Clearly they wouldn't be rejecting God by CHOICE since they believe that thy are honoring God. The whole idea falls apart. It's makes absolutely no sense to have the creator of this universe turn the fate of humans into an utterly STUPID and MEANINGLESS guessing game! Yet that is PRECISELY what Christianity DEMANDS that God is doing! It's clearly not the doctrine of any divine being. This is a dogma of men created as an excuse to pit God against God in cultural wars. It's clearly an ungodly doctrine (all three of them! Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). All three of these religions are ungodly and they all sprang from the same ungodly mythologies. And then look at what the Christians did, they protested against each other and fell into two major clans, the Catholics and the Protestants. Then the Protestants continued to protest against each other creating a myriad of opposing denominations! It's extremely ironic that the Protestants have become the most obnoxious proselytizers of all. They are the ones that spread predjudice and hate for Jesus's sake, yet they are the furthest removed from the whole religious shebang. If there was any truth to the religion at all, the Jews probably had it right and were right to excute Jesus for blaspheme since Jesus did indeed denounce the teachings of the God of Abraham and that God did indeed instruct people to murder the blasphemists! That whole Mediterranean thing is nothing but a trainwrecked mythology. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 02/13/09 08:25 PM
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Of course 'Imgary', there was light alright from the first day!!! Light/day and darkness/night spot on the first day. IT'S JUST THAT THE SUN DIDN'T COME INTO THE PICTURE UNTIL THE FOURTH DAY!!! But who says the bible had to make sense, right!!! I mean it's god after all, and who's to say that god had to make sense. Not our place to say, we're just his puppet creation. Maybe for the first three day he held this 'god size' pocket lighter, ... and got tired of holding, or ran out of 'god butane' after three days and nights, ... enventhough god shouldn't get tired, ... nor should he need a pocket lighter, nor should it run on 'god butane', but anyhow, he certainly must have hung the SUN on the fourth day for godly good reasons he only knows about, because he said : '... and god thought it was good...' So, I'm sold! It makes no sense! ... and I BELIEVE!!! ... ... THAT IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! Voil...God created LIGHT FIRST.....  THEN he created the SUN and stars and Moon AFTERWARDS.... POINT is.....the SUN and Moon and stars are NOT THE POWER SOURCE of LIGHT.... GOD HIMSELF CREATED THE ENERGY POWER SOURCE ......CALLED LIGHT!!! FIRST!!! SURE... the SUN GENERATES and REFLECTS THE LIGHT that God already Created..... in order to SUSTAIN LIFE on the earth!! Voil...see that lamp plugged into your wall outlet... there in your den? Now...Is that lamp in your den, the ENERGY POWER SOURCE of light ?? OR.... is it the ELECTRICITY that runs into your lamp, the Real Energy Power source , which provides light for the lamp ? So your lamp can PROVIDE that nice soft beam of light, shining into your cozy living quarters.... Did the lamp come first, or electricity....  God MADE LIGHT ... FIRST.....(ENERGY SOURCE) THEN.. God MADE the SUN and Stars(LIGHTS)... God made the SUN to SUSTAIN LIFE..... by GENERATING the LIGHT that God ALREADY Made... and God made the stars to be the lesser lights at night |
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Lord have mercy you do make me laugh. No voil need to re-do or get glasses...I said symbolic it's not a picture of Jesus...You know exactly what I think of what you think about me....ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
You all are my comedy relief.... There is just no ends to how you stoop is there K. This is symbolic it's not an actual picture of Jesus Christ....my gosh you are something... I have a black picture of Christ too.....gezzzzzzzz You 'feral' are the queen of low stoopers. No one, not I, nor Krimsa, nor Abra, will ever, ever, ever, come even close to challenging that 'crown' and title all your own. P.S.: YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF JESUS?!?!?! As I said, the 'CROWN OF LOW SCOOP' is all yours!!! |
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I am laughing so hard I might just pee my pants....I can't believe people can take out of everything a picture and fight over what Christ looked like for 2 pages......
Here are a few more of my personal favorites....let's see how long you can fight over these... I will just kick it in my chair, with popcorn and diet pepsi in hand   there ya go......have fun now |
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Edited by
ImGary
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Fri 02/13/09 08:19 PM
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Renowned scientist Albert Einstein dismissed the Bible as a collection of “pretty childish” legends and belief in God as a “product of human weaknesses,” according to a letter to be auctioned this week. Einstein, who was Jewish, also rejects the notion that Jews were God’s chosen people. The letter was written in German in 1954 to philosopher Eric Gutkind. It is to be auctioned in London, England, on Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions, and is expected to fetch between $12,000 and $16,000 US. Einstein writes "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Born to a Jewish family in Germany in 1879, he also adds that "for me, the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." He also wrote "the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. “As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them." Einstein 'rather quirky about religion': expert Many have speculated about the religious or spiritual beliefs of the Nobel Prize-winning physicist, whose theory of relativity revolutionized the study of physics. Some have pointed to Einstein’s quote that God "does not play dice" with the universe (his rejection of the randomness of the universe) as proof of his belief in a higher being. Others have said that the quote does not advocate a belief in God and have referred to other letters written by Einstein. "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly,” he wrote in another letter in 1954. "If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." John Brooke, professor emeritus of science and religion at Oxford University, told the Associated Press that the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either. "Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," Brooke said Brooke said Einstein believed "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view." Bloomsbury spokesman Richard Caton said the auction house was "100 per cent certain" of the letter's authenticity. It is being offered at auction for the first time by a private vendor. Krimsa, I just had to share a couple of recent insights about fundamentalists whom seem to be driven to severe delusion, and perpetrate devastating acts of deceit. We all know the amazingly deceitful and grossly false apologetic '#32201955884328984053-h' response, ... better known as: 'DENY, DENY, DENY!!! ... the so public and extensively documented FACT that HITLER WAS A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, RIGHT THROUGH TO HIS DEATH. Well, guess what!!! There is this just as amazingly deceitful and grossly delusional apologetic '#322019558843228984053-E' response, ... better known as : ... CLAIM, CLAIM, CLAIM!!! ... The SO PUBLIC NON-CHRISTIAN EINSTEIN, as an INTELLIGENT DESIGN SUPPORTER!!! Don't tell Abra, is going to flip!!! But can you fathom this Krimsa!?!?! Eisntein evokes a 'personal belief' in some sort of undefinable, mystifying 'intelligence' at work, ... and these deceptive fundamentalist-apologetists push response #'#322019558843228984053-E' on the world!!! I read this claim on these forums, right here Krimsa!!! What's next Krimsa!?!?! Will those fundamentalist-deceit-driven apologists invent some delusiaonal claim that Einstein sought to have every single copies of Darwin's 'On the Origins of Species' burned at a stellar bornfire hosted by 'DR' Kent Hovind, Ph.D.' (as he likes to named), in the backyard of the creationism famous PATRIOT BIBLE UNIVERSITY??? (Einstein and Hovind-PBU, anachronistic you say??? Fundamentalists do not bother with such trivial details) Have they no integrity?!?!?! Have they no PRIDE!?!?! Whether we believe or not, I think we should pray for them, and, while we're at it, ... ASK FOR THE END OF DECEIT NOW!!! Voil wrote: But can you fathom this Krimsa!?!?! Eisntein evokes a 'personal belief' in some sort of undefinable, mystifying 'intelligence' at work, end quote Well Voil digest this: The following is a quote from Einstein listed in E. Salaman's "A talk with Einstein", The Listener 54(1955), pp. 370-371: "I want to know how GOD created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know HIS thoughts: the rest are details." Another of his quotes from Helle Zeit-Dunkle Zeit(Europa Verlag, Zuurich 1956) pg. 72: "What I am really interested in, is whether GOD could have created the world in a different way;" LOL  As I stated earlier even though Einstein was not a Christian he still believed in - to use your words- "mystifying 'intelligence' at work" and was obviously a proponent of Intelligent Design of some sort. Where is the deceit there? |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Fri 02/13/09 08:18 PM
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Renowned scientist Albert Einstein dismissed the Bible as a collection of “pretty childish” legends and belief in God as a “product of human weaknesses,” according to a letter to be auctioned this week. Einstein, who was Jewish, also rejects the notion that Jews were God’s chosen people. The letter was written in German in 1954 to philosopher Eric Gutkind. It is to be auctioned in London, England, on Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions, and is expected to fetch between $12,000 and $16,000 US. Einstein writes "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Born to a Jewish family in Germany in 1879, he also adds that "for me, the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." He also wrote "the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. “As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them." Einstein 'rather quirky about religion': expert Many have speculated about the religious or spiritual beliefs of the Nobel Prize-winning physicist, whose theory of relativity revolutionized the study of physics. Some have pointed to Einstein’s quote that God "does not play dice" with the universe (his rejection of the randomness of the universe) as proof of his belief in a higher being. Others have said that the quote does not advocate a belief in God and have referred to other letters written by Einstein. "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly,” he wrote in another letter in 1954. "If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." John Brooke, professor emeritus of science and religion at Oxford University, told the Associated Press that the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either. "Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," Brooke said Brooke said Einstein believed "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view." Bloomsbury spokesman Richard Caton said the auction house was "100 per cent certain" of the letter's authenticity. It is being offered at auction for the first time by a private vendor. Krimsa, I just had to share a couple of recent insights about fundamentalists whom seem to be driven to severe delusion, and perpetrate devastating acts of deceit. We all know the amazingly deceitful and grossly false apologetic '#32201955884328984053-h' response, ... better known as: 'DENY, DENY, DENY!!! ... the so public and extensively documented FACT that HITLER WAS A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN, RIGHT THROUGH TO HIS DEATH. Well, guess what!!! There is this just as amazingly deceitful and grossly delusional apologetic '#322019558843228984053-E' response, ... better known as : ... CLAIM, CLAIM, CLAIM!!! ... The SO PUBLIC NON-CHRISTIAN EINSTEIN, as an INTELLIGENT DESIGN SUPPORTER!!! Don't tell Abra, is going to flip!!! But can you fathom this Krimsa!?!?! Eisntein evokes a 'personal belief' in some sort of undefinable, mystifying 'intelligence' at work, ... and these deceptive fundamentalist-apologetists push response #'#322019558843228984053-E' on the world!!! I read this claim on these forums, right here Krimsa!!! What's next Krimsa!?!?! Will those fundamentalist-deceit-driven apologists invent some delusiaonal claim that Einstein sought to have every single copies of Darwin's 'On the Origins of Species' burned at a stellar bornfire hosted by 'DR' Kent Hovind, Ph.D.' (as he likes to named), in the backyard of the creationism famous PATRIOT BIBLE UNIVERSITY??? (Einstein and Hovind-PBU, anachronistic you say??? Fundamentalists do not bother with such trivial details) Have they no integrity?!?!?! Have they no PRIDE!?!?! Whether we believe or not, I think we should pray for them, and, while we're at it, ... ASK FOR THE END OF DECEIT NOW!!! Voil wrote: But can you fathom this Krimsa!?!?! Eisntein evokes a 'personal belief' in some sort of undefinable, mystifying 'intelligence' at work, end quote The following is a quote from Einstein listed in E. Salaman's "A talk with Einstein", The Listener 54(1955), pp. 370-371: "I want to know how GOD created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know HIS thoughts: the rest are details." Another of his quotes from Helle Zeit-Dunkle Zeit(Europa Verlag, Zuurich 1956) pg. 72: "What I am really interested in, is whether GOD could have created the world in a different way;" LOL As I stated earlier even though Einstein was not a Christian he still believed in - to use your words- "mystifying 'intelligence' at work" and was obviously a proponent of Intelligent Design of some sort. Where is the deceit there? which I have posted all of what Einstein believed at least....hmmmm 100 times.......you guys really do make me laugh... And remember this folks...for everything that you can come up to say God, Christ and Bible are not real.....I can come up with much more to prove it is exactly what it is....why because God says so.....lol The greatest piece of anything biblical I ever heard...was from my professor when I asked him...what the greatest teaching for him was....He replied, Jesus Loves Me This I Know, For The Bible Tell Me So. nuff said... |
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Edited by
davidben1
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Fri 02/13/09 08:42 PM
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Of course 'Imgary', there was light alright from the first day!!! Light/day and darkness/night spot on the first day. IT'S JUST THAT THE SUN DIDN'T COME INTO THE PICTURE UNTIL THE FOURTH DAY!!! But who says the bible had to make sense, right!!! I mean it's god after all, and who's to say that god had to make sense. Not our place to say, we're just his puppet creation. Maybe for the first three day he held this 'god size' pocket lighter, ... and got tired of holding, or ran out of 'god butane' after three days and nights, ... enventhough god shouldn't get tired, ... nor should he need a pocket lighter, nor should it run on 'god butane', but anyhow, he certainly must have hung the SUN on the fourth day for godly good reasons he only knows about, because he said : '... and god thought it was good...' So, I'm sold! It makes no sense! ... and I BELIEVE!!! ... ... THAT IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! Voil...God created LIGHT FIRST..... THEN he created the SUN and stars and Moon AFTERWARDS.... POINT is.....the SUN and Moon and stars are NOT THE POWER SOURCE of LIGHT.... GOD HIMSELF CREATED THE ENERGY POWER SOURCE ......CALLED LIGHT!!! FIRST!!! SURE... the SUN GENERATES and REFLECTS THE LIGHT that God already Created..... in order to SUSTAIN LIFE on the earth!! Voil...see that lamp plugged into your wall outlet... there in your den? Now...Is that lamp in your den, the POWER SOURCE of light ?? OR.... is it the ELECTRICITY that runs into your lamp, the Real Power source , which provides light for the lamp ? Which provides ENERGY to your lamp .....to create that nice soft beam of light, shining into your cozy living quarters.... Did the lamp come first, or electricity.... God MADE LIGHT ... FIRST.....(ENERGY SOURCE) THEN.. God MADE the SUN and Stars(LIGHTS)... God made the SUN to SUSTAIN LIFE..... by GENERATING the LIGHT that God ALREADY Made... and God made the stars to be the lesser lights at night if anything serve a god it deems need not make sense, then this only show there is no sense of what one serve??? if there is no sense of what one serve then what sense does one have of what it serve??? this only show there is no sense but to serve no sense??? if there is serving no sense, then there is no sense self only sense imaginations as god sense??? if imagination with no sense is god this only show no sense of knowing god except as no sense??? sensing god with no sense show no knowing god which be perfect sense??? lack of sense only sense not itself as lacking sense of it's own blindness, and blindness is not less sense, less it sense not it's own blindness??? so only a guess of sense are no sense which is blindness not sensed??? faith in no sense is no faith at all which be no evidence of better sense??? does a god that can create an entire cosmos have not any sense??? if one know a god that create the cosmos with great sense should it not have good sense as well??? |
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This topic has gone a long way from the evolution.
You could say the thread has evolved. |
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As I stated earlier even though Einstein was not a Christian he still believed in - to use your words- "mystifying 'intelligence' at work" and was obviously a proponent of Intelligent Design of some sort. Where is the deceit there? There is no deceit in that unless it's used to support the biblical idea of God. Two things are wrong with that. First of that's not the TYPE of 'intelligent design' that Einstein was referring to. Einstein was speaking in terms of the laws of physics, not the idea that evolution had a GOAL. I'm sure that Einstein would reject the idea that humans were in any way the GOAL of evolution. So when Einstein spoke in terms of 'mystifying intelligence' he was indeed referring to the pantheistic picture of God, and most certainly not the Biblical picture of God. So yes Feral, it is a blatant falsehood and misrepresentation to claim that Einstein supported 'Intelligent Design' as proposed by creationists. He most certainly DID NOT. which I have posted all of what Einstein believed at least....hmmmm 100 times.......you guys really do make me laugh... So then you confess that you misrepresented Einstein's position at leat 100 times.  Feral wrote: And remember this folks...for everything that you can come up to say God, Christ and Bible are not real.....I can come up with much more to prove it is exactly what it is....why because God says so.....lol Yes you better laugh at the end of that claim because you haven't come up with anything yet. The greatest piece of anything biblical I ever heard...was from my professor when I asked him...what the greatest teaching for him was....He replied, Jesus Loves Me This I Know, For The Bible Tell Me So. nuff said... That's about the best you've ever come up with right there. "Because the Bible tells me so!" That's the CORE of your arguments. In fact, that's your ONLY argument really. But don't forget, the Bible also tells you that God wants you to stone your unruly children to death, and to murder heathens, and to judge your neighbors and stone the sinners to death, and to be male chauvinistic, and to stab you slaves in the ear with an awl.  For the Bible tells us so! And and don't forget women aren't permitted to speak out on religious matters. For the Bible tells us so! Shame on you Feral for rejecting the directives of your God! |
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