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Edited by
Krimsa
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Beach where the hell have you been anyway? You have been missed. We still have the Witchcraft thread going but the title is now "Witchcraft and Shamanism". Look for it under "Other Religions." Ruth is back also. She deactivated but now shes on again.  http://mingle2.com/topic/show/191492 |
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Bushdobillyclub has the market cornered on all the best scientific videos but this one is not bad and its very short. It offers a creative visualization method for chimp and human mitochondrial DNA. The entire 96% match tends to throw people into confusion and argument I've noticed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjGZ6kF2gbQ cool vid thanks |
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What does proselytizing mean? I might be guilty of it too. I have gotten in heated discussion trying to convert Christians into born-again atheists and humanists! Well cut it out! Oh yeah those Evil Humanists! How dare you! The mission of the American Humanist Association is to promote the spread of humanism, raise public awareness and acceptance of humanism, and encourage the continued refinement of the humanist philosophy. The AHA works democratically to establish and protect the rights of humanists in a peaceful, sustainable world of hope, opportunity, and fulfillment for all. We welcome as members those who share the humanist quest and dream, and cooperate with others who seek to further these ends. What is Humanism? As Kurt Vonnegut succinctly described: being a Humanist means trying to behave decently without expectation of rewards or punishment after you are dead. Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism and other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.  |
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JB
Instruction is the Bible and small groups and Bible studies. And I am very open to listen to anyone and what they have to say...Cmon you changed my mind about aliens...gigglesnort. There is a difference between you guys thinking brain washed and learning or taking instruction from teachers with respect to learning the Bible. No one tells me what to do....or how to think, or how I can feel about anything. But I don't think I have ever said you guys can believe whatever you want. I don't shove my beliefs on anyone. But I will defend my right to my beliefs with a vegence. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Sat 02/07/09 08:48 AM
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I don’t think anyone really gives a rat's ass who or what others want to believe in as long as they don’t hurt anyone or themselves, have at it. However when you create a thread in GR stating this or that opinion about a topic, some people are going to argue with you about this.
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Sorry dude but your wrong....I have no desire with any of you to change your mind or anyone else. But I will and have every right to answer the question or do a thread. I don't care what anyones beliefs are they are personal to you as mine are to me. I put information out there...what people do with it is completely up to them.
And I would look hard into the mirror before we cast that stone their voil..... P.S.: Mingle forums are meant for open-minded debates as much as possible. Proselytizing is everything but 'open-minded debating' form. Technically all proselytizing is strictly forbidden on the General Religion forum now. That is not just singling out the Christians either. It’s ANY type of proselytizing. So a Muslim or a Jew or a Wiccan could not do it either. The reason is everyone was given their own forums to create such threads and GR is supposed to be open to pure debate and criticism of religious matters. It was intended to alleviate some of the fighting and was actually an accommodation made for the Christians yet it has still caused a lot of commentary and argument. Well thanks fr that information 'krimsa'! I didn't realize it was strictly forbidden. Boy, I hope 'feral' is not going to get reported and expelled from the 'mingle' forums forever! That would be ironic, I thought I might get expelled for telling her that 'proselytizing was downright hypocrytical' !!! OK, so here's the deal! 'feral' will immediately stop her 'local prosilitysing 'ministry' ' on mingle, and no one will report her to the mods. Deal?!?!? |
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I dont think he was even talking about that but responding to my post feral.
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hmmmm sounds a lil like the twisiting and turning of the scriptures that your so good at doing...And I don't believe anyone is holding a gun to your head to come to any of my threads...now isn't that right...hmmmmmmm yes it is.
Debate the OP and don't go off on tangents and I would be more then happy..... Well if a person is of the mind that no one can tell her anything because they are not open to listening to the other side, no matter how logical or reasonable it is and no matter how much proof or evidence is presented, then they are not here to debate anything. Therefore there would be little reason to engage in a debate with them. The best one can do is small talk and a hello now and then, but when it comes to the subject of God or religion, it would now appear pointless. That does not mean we can't be friends of course.   At this point, since it's the OP that has stated such, it's time to just let this thread die. No point in keeping it going when the OP isn't open to debate.(of course, one might even ask, Why even start the thread, if you aren't open to debate?) Feral routinely begins these threads about evolution and then she repeats the same arguments that several of us have responded to previously. She makes statements in the order of, "Humans didn’t evolve from monkeys." And "Show me a plant or animal on earth that has evolved into something else in the past 200 years." It’s difficult to combat that degree of naiveté. |
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Who are you responding to? Me or JB?
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"Show me a plant or animal on earth that has evolved into something else in the past 200 years." I have even said 500 years.....give you more......
It's pretty cut and dry and would change my mind....show me one thing....is that that difficult for someone that has her degree in this....Nothing you have shown me thus far is anything but evolving within a species.... Well if a person is of the mind that no one can tell her anything because they are not open to listening to the other side, no matter how logical or reasonable it is and no matter how much proof or evidence is presented, then they are not here to debate anything. Therefore there would be little reason to engage in a debate with them. The best one can do is small talk and a hello now and then, but when it comes to the subject of God or religion, it would now appear pointless. That does not mean we can't be friends of course. At this point, since it's the OP that has stated such, it's time to just let this thread die. No point in keeping it going when the OP isn't open to debate.(of course, one might even ask, Why even start the thread, if you aren't open to debate?) Feral routinely begins these threads about evolution and then she repeats the same arguments that several of us have responded to previously. She makes statements in the order of, "Humans didn’t evolve from monkeys." And "Show me a plant or animal on earth that has evolved into something else in the past 200 years." It’s difficult to combat that degree of naiveté. |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Sat 02/07/09 09:00 AM
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Who are you responding to? Me or JB? Well JB doesn't twist and turn scriptures so I guess that leaves you K. |
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You quoted a quote within a quote! One was made by JB and the other by me! Also, I was speaking directly to the topic which is that of evolution. So...
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So give me one thing that has evolved in the last 500 years.....go ahead....Anyone that believes in evolution can answer...I am not picky...and please no staph or virus...because that is not good enough to show me evolution at it's finest..
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Edited by
Spangles29
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Sat 02/07/09 10:21 AM
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So I don't know about changes so extreme that species become something else entirely, but, if I understand evolution correctly, this is a very slow process, right?
For instance humans have evolved in the last 200 (or 500) years. Look at the height differences! If you go back thousands of years you have the different skin tones that developed to compensate for differing climates. A neurologist in California (I believe UC Berkeley, but could be wrong) is working with a team and publishing his findings on human brain evolution since the dawn of the computer age. His findings are really interesting and are highly regarded. I found the article in a Christian magazine published for people in ministry professions. (If you're interested I'll try to find the article again.) Is this thread just about debating the theory of evolution from amoeba to primate to humanoid (gross exaggeration, I know). Or are we debating all evolution, including the kind that happens every century? |
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I’m not sure. I think deb (feralcatlady) accepts the notion of Micro Evolution, yet denies Macro Evolution all together which is ridiculous. You can ask her to clarify. I’m tired.
 
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Yes. I have another topic going on in the general religion forum addressing the logic of the creation story of Adam being created by God or a supreme being from mud. It was said that evolution was not logical and did not make any sense. I don't know a lot about evolution but I regard and respect it as scientific theory. It does not have all the answers. But my thread assumes the premise that the creation story of Adam being made out of mud is true. My question is posed... how would you explain that logically? How did God (a supreme being) do that? What logical or reasonable explanation can you come up with? I am asking people to use their imagination as if they were writing a believable science fiction account of the event and the method used to accomplish this feat. Please visit my thread there if you have any ideas: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/203367 I have two questions going in threads asking some hard questions about both the Bible (directed at Christians) and about who created Crop Circles (the event horizon thread.)(directed at the scientific minded) that I am very sincere about hearing some ideas and answers from people who are bold enough to imagine or speculate solutions to unknown questions, but nobody seems to be interested in responding. The other thread is here: http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202927?page=2 It is an exercise in serious creative solutions to mysteries. Does anyone have any imagination I wonder? |
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Welcome spangles
But this is my point if everything and everyone is evolving and even if it took thousands upon thousands of years...there should be at least one that has evolved into something else....And if you can't show me then I am sorry I just don't by this lame theory. And regardless of how long it takes there is nothing to show me because it just isn't so..Within a species of course. But to say one went from one to a complete and new species is utter crapola. I would love to see the article on human brain evolution. But again humans have always been humans, they were never chimps and we didn't branch of from chimps either. Just like the wolf can be traced for all the dogs but they are still all dogs. And same with the horse, the donkey and put them together and you get a mule which of course none of these have ever been elephants. |
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Welcome spangles
But this is my point if everything and everyone is evolving and even if it took thousands upon thousands of years...there should be at least one that has evolved into something else....And if you can't show me then I am sorry I just don't by this lame theory. And regardless of how long it takes there is nothing to show me because it just isn't so..Within a species of course. But to say one went from one to a complete and new species is utter crapola. I would love to see the article on human brain evolution. But again humans have always been humans, they were never chimps and we didn't branch of from chimps either. Just like the wolf can be traced for all the dogs but they are still all dogs. And same with the horse, the donkey and put them together and you get a mule which of course none of these have ever been elephants. |
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Then explain why you share 96% identical DNA with chimp! It takes millions of years for this to happen. Yet in about 6 million years all we have to show for it is an upright posture, the FOXP2 or speech gene, an opposable thumb and a larger brain capacity that is capable of abstract thought. That’s it. That is what 6 million years of evolution accomplished.
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Well according to you, God can not be tempted? Alright if you fail to see the contradiction there, I will move on. I keep notes as you are well aware.. Did Jesus baptize anyone? YES John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. NO John 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples. Krimsa John 4:2 States that Jesus baptized his disciples, it does not state that he did not perform any baptisms. You have taken this scripture out of context. I actually looked on an apologetist website and it said something similar so...nope. After further research myself I have concluded that John 4:2 is literal in some form and figurative in some form. As there are several different types of Baptism explained in the Bible one must take this into consideration while trying to deduce with a logical mind the true meaning of this scripture. As stated in John 1:33 Jesus baptised with the Holy Spirit not water, so if He were performing a baptism of the Spirit while standing next to John who was performing a baptism of water, then they would both be performing a baptism. John 1:33 "I still do not know that he was the one, but God, who sent me to baptize with water, had said to me, 'You will see the Spirit come down and stay on a man; he is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'" John 3:22 is obviously speaking of both types of baptism and John 4:2 is speaking of baptism by water only. |
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